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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: mysticalmagickal]
    #21820823 - 06/17/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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mysticalmagickal said:
Yep it's bound to be done for any second now, oh no a plant that helps people let's ban it :thumbup:



I knew this the second I heard it.  Same way they did salvia...they bring it up expecting to get shot down...and then move one step closer etc..eventually they just ban it and who can argue?  Its complete sheep herding mentality...  as soon as some faceless article pops up saying its banned everyone here will just accept it as fact... you cant question the shit, you'll never get a call back or an answer... it just "becomes" fact..


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: FreeTheSoul]
    #21820841 - 06/17/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think you guys aren't realizing if the government really wanted it gone it would be gone. I know for a fact at least one state tried making it illegal but they didn't go through with it because of all the support people gave to keep it legal. It is illegal in a few states currently though.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #21820848 - 06/17/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

.....and then they threaten your livelyhood with it.  I hope you love your government.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: FreeTheSoul]
    #21820855 - 06/17/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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FreeTheSoul said:
I think you guys aren't realizing if the government really wanted it gone it would be gone. I know for a fact at least one state tried making it illegal but they didn't go through with it because of all the support people gave to keep it legal. It is illegal in a few states currently though.



Dont for a second fall for that shit..thats the plan...you cant upset the herd you have to gradually manipulate it..


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #21820856 - 06/17/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Salvia is still legal.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #21820862 - 06/17/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You cant shock it, that would cause rebellion, you have to gradually make it accept and give up..


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: FreeTheSoul]
    #21820864 - 06/17/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah which is not a good sign. Remember what happened to poppy pods? That got shut down so fast. The big Texas vendor was the first to go and they even got a florist, I mean come on. I'd seriously say stock up now, I still have salvia since I was 18 and that was 14 years ago. Even some nice dried torch in a closet somewhere. 5 kilos of red vein borneo now is a lot cheaper than it will be this time next year, I've seen other vendors skyrocket.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: lowbrow]
    #21820865 - 06/17/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Amanita86 said:
.....and then they threaten your livelyhood with it.  I hope you love your government.



They arent threatening your livelyhood. An import alert does not make it illegal. It just gives customs the right to seize the package.
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lowbrow said:
Salvia is still legal.



Not in a lot of states.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: lowbrow]
    #21820867 - 06/17/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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lowbrow said:
Salvia is still legal.



Not here.. and not in a lot of places..  weed is "legal" but not here, and not in a lot of places.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: FreeTheSoul]
    #21820879 - 06/17/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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FreeTheSoul said:
They arent threatening your livelyhood. An import alert does not make it illegal. It just gives customs the right to seize the package.



Thats how it starts..


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #21821270 - 06/17/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I read somewhere that the problem is that some vendors are putting dosages on the packages and making it obvious it was for human use. If you are a vendor you need to say it is a soap cleaner or for aromatherapy or whatever and say not for human consumption.

I think it might fall under some dietary supplement thing in which they might not be able to regulate quite as much as a research chemical.

Again this could be completely wrong.

If this is only a ban on it slipping through American customs I doubt it would stop someone like me from Canada getting some shipped from Indonesia. Time will tell but if it ever becomes banned or impossible to import I will order a lifetime supply.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21823154 - 06/18/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

fucking crazy
so many people are giving themselves heart attacks in 30/40 years, lung cancer, ass cancer etc.

but kratom causes respiratory depression? hallucinations?
these people should be fired or thrown into a collective ditch...


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Konyap]
    #21823623 - 06/18/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't blame the FDA in a way. To them kratom is basically the same as bath salts and they see no difference.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21823689 - 06/18/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Almond Flour said:
I still think its only a matter of time. If it happened to JHW-18 It will happen to Kratom



Not really the same thing since Kratom is a leaf and JWH a synthetic chemical created as an analogue to an already illegal substance. Your right though in the sense that it's only a matter of time.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Magicman69]
    #21823719 - 06/18/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

We should not take this lying down IMO
They have no studies that say kratom is dangerous and yet it's specifically stated in the memo.
The compound itself isn't addicting, and it doesn't cause respiratory depression, the chemistry tells you.


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Furthermore, based on FDA�s review of the publicly available information regarding kratom, there does not appear to be a history of use or other evidence of safety establishing that kratom will reasonably be expected to be safe as a dietary ingredient.




it's been used for thousands of years. this is what they did with coca and poppies before they became first world exit plans...

it's almost as bad as saying medical weed doesn't help people
to them it's probably a easy way to monopolize molecules


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21823741 - 06/18/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
I don't blame the FDA in a way. To them kratom is basically the same as bath salts and they see no difference.



As a drug regulation administration, their job is to see the difference between safe and unsafe drugs. I think it's safe to say that they're responsible for some of the blame here.


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Tragic.  I told the cop not to do it but he didn't listen.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: hex_enduction]
    #21823774 - 06/18/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've dealt with this in college
basically the people that are supposed to advise and warn
become the heads of the science department overnight
because they have a degree in communication
which is really just behavior based bullshit
and shoe stringing the members of the community
changing the rules, changing who they want permision from
on a day to day basis depending on who you talk to

they're daft
thinking about them makes me want to punch them in the face
and I've done fairly well dealing with them... but to make me walk back and forth like that
because you can't hold on to your line of bullshit for more then a week/semester

and it's like that everywhere, you get double billed for something?
Fuck you, the people that deal with humans here deal with another set of humans over there and they...:facepalm:
FML


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Konyap]
    #21824221 - 06/18/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The problem is headshops selling this stuff in extracts and capsules and fancy packages.

No way in hell the DEA and FDA is gonna let this go unnoticed.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21824271 - 06/18/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Extracts can't be sold to people..


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Konyap]
    #21824305 - 06/18/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:awesketch:  you sure?


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