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wre

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Peter Dunne MP open to legal ecstasy proposal - New Zealand
#21820298 - 06/17/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Legalising pure ecstasy should be considered given it is safer than alcohol, a Wellington Hospital emergency medical specialist says.
Clinical toxicologist Paul Quigley says there is evidence MDMA – the purest version of ecstasy – is one of the safest recreational drugs compared to alcohol, Fairfax Media reports.
Alcohol is behind around two-thirds weekend and late-night hospital admissions, Dr Quigley says.
He believes legalising and regulating the sale and manufacture of MDMA could damage the black market for more harmful drugs entering the market.
The idea has also been supported by the New Zealand Drug Foundation, while Associate Health Minister Peter Dunne says he's willing to discuss the proposal with Dr Quigley.
The drug would need to undergo the Psychoactive Substances Act testing regime. If it passed, it could be sold in controlled and limited doses from chemists or chains such as Cosmic Corner with an R18 rating. Sales would be subject to similar stringent rules around alcohol sales.
"There are political and moral barriers that society has to get through – and we may still find something that is better and safer than MDMA – but people will always take recreational drugs, and society has to accept that at some stage there will be a drug available that is a safe and acceptable alternative to alcohol," Dr Quigley says.
Drug Foundation executive director Ross Bell backs the idea, saying a number of new and unknown chemicals were bring sold as ecstasy because of a global shortage of the drug.
He says if drugs which had known effects were regulated, it would go a long way to reducing harm from drugs on the black market.
Mr Dunne says the Government would be hesitant to legalise MDMA at this stage, and on the "remote assumption" it would look at the idea, it would still take several years to reclassify it.
Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/dunne-open-to-legal-ecstasy-proposal-2015061809#ixzz3dN4NtSRi
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FractalMind
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Re: Peter Dunne MP open to legal ecstasy proposal - New Zealand [Re: wre]
#21820331 - 06/17/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow this is awesome! Hope it passes. VVery sound thinking taking it off the black market and regulating it
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Jokeshopbeard
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Re: Peter Dunne MP open to legal ecstasy proposal - New Zealand [Re: FractalMind]
#21820607 - 06/17/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Great example of forward thinking, which we need far more of, however you can see by the statement from government that it is a "remote assumption" it would look at the idea that shitty politics and bureaucracy is gonna stand in the way for a long time to come.
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Re: Peter Dunne MP open to legal ecstasy proposal - New Zealand [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#21820692 - 06/17/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im not a huge fan or "Recreational" Drugs. But ecstasy changed my life. Ill never forget that day almost a decade ago.
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Re: Peter Dunne MP open to legal ecstasy proposal - New Zealand [Re: wre]
#21821110 - 06/17/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I do not believe that Peter Dunne will ever legalise any new psychoactive drugs - at least, none that people will actually want to use over illegal drugs. My take on all of this is that people need to ignore the law, inform themselves of what they are getting, and preferably grow / gather / extract their own drugs, or at least obtain them from a knowlegable and experienced friend/relative. And - of course - keep a healthy distance from the long arm of The Law. Politicians (and law enforcement for that matter) are the last people who should be deciding what we may put into our bodies, and which states of mind we have a "right" to experience.
Edited by Eagerhunter (06/17/15 10:05 PM)
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Re: Peter Dunne MP open to legal ecstasy proposal - New Zealand [Re: Eagerhunter]
#21822052 - 06/18/15 02:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd love to be proved wrong but I can't see any government having the balls to legalise a synthetic recreational drug in the near future.
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Re: Peter Dunne MP open to legal ecstasy proposal - New Zealand [Re: roquet]
#21822198 - 06/18/15 03:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If they did legalize ecstasy, I feel like there would be a huge boom in tourism to New Zealand.
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Re: Peter Dunne MP open to legal ecstasy proposal - New Zealand [Re: Achillita]
#21822817 - 06/18/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have never wanted to go to new zealand, but if MDMA was legal I might go there ;-)
something about the nice heat down there and the mdma dance all night without being tired :-P
Actually I have never tried MDMA yet, but many say it is good, I've only tried LSD and it gives the same effects as MDMA when you take it on low doses, love for everything and yourself. Also a great dance drug.
I like freedom, and there is really nothing I want to see in the world, except maybe a world that is truly free
Nature I can experience anywhere, but a place where you may smoke a joint that would be nice
I don't want to smoke everyday, but if it was legal to smoke some place here - sure , maybe one day I would smoke a joint there and buy some good food
The state could earn a lot on turists that way, they eat a lot, food tastes good on weed and they dance a lot on MDMA - many entry fees , people keep coming back to dance
I would much rather enjoy music on MDMA/LSD than alcohol, but it's not really like I need them, alcohol can be really good too my liver is just not too good anymore
I wouldn't mind if MDMA/LSD/shrooms/weed became legal, they do as much good as they do bad usually
Ecstasy is less dangerous than alcohol scientifically, and LSD is less dangerous than most drugs known to man - incl cigarettes and alcohol. There's no reason not to legalize them for science. And people should be able to use them therapeutically too...
Why should irresponsible teenagers define my life when I become 50?
The gov act on behalf of teenagers , in my life?
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Re: Peter Dunne MP open to legal ecstasy proposal - New Zealand [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#21824149 - 06/18/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Eagerhunter said: I do not believe that Peter Dunne will ever legalise any new psychoactive drugs - at least, none that people will actually want to use over illegal drugs. My take on all of this is that people need to ignore the law, inform themselves of what they are getting, and preferably grow / gather / extract their own drugs, or at least obtain them from a knowlegable and experienced friend/relative. And - of course - keep a healthy distance from the long arm of The Law. Politicians (and law enforcement for that matter) are the last people who should be deciding what we may put into our bodies, and which states of mind we have a "right" to experience.
I agree with you here entirely 100%
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Jokeshopbeard said: Great example of forward thinking, which we need far more of, however you can see by the statement from government that it is a "remote assumption" it would look at the idea that shitty politics and bureaucracy is gonna stand in the way for a long time to come.
Quite right.
Dunne has absolutely no intention of legalising or allowing medicinal use of anything that is safe. Unless there is some major benefit for him. His sons company made a killing (and killed a few people/ruined many peoples lives) from 'legal highs' major conflict of interest right there.
Yes Peter Dunne may have recently allowed the use of a CBD extract to treat some poor young man in an extreme seizure who wasnt responding to over 20 other treatments and is showing signs of improvement. But it wouldnt of happened if it wasnt for the immense amount of public pressure and having the guy backed into an absolute corner. At this stage hes just entertaining the idea of MDMA, while quietly saying 'yea that aint ever gonna happen'. It was just a quick little comment he made, doubt he ever considered it seriously. It aint gona happen with Dunne, lets face it, he doesnt even consider medical cannabis, except when he has to, to protect his own image.
Seems to me he is just trying to take the chance to improve his own image - which might i add in this country in many peoples view he is up there competing with many other politicians as one of the biggest piles of dogshit out. Seriously the dude should be in jail along with half the politicians at the wasp nest called beehive.
Peter Dunnes hairstyle speaks for itself
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Re: Peter Dunne MP open to legal ecstasy proposal - New Zealand [Re: Awakening]
#21840649 - 06/22/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks like finally yet, slowly are coming around to the fact that prohibition does not work.
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lessismore
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Re: Peter Dunne MP open to legal ecstasy proposal - New Zealand [Re: Awakening]
#21840773 - 06/22/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Awakening said:
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Eagerhunter said: I do not believe that Peter Dunne will ever legalise any new psychoactive drugs - at least, none that people will actually want to use over illegal drugs. My take on all of this is that people need to ignore the law, inform themselves of what they are getting, and preferably grow / gather / extract their own drugs, or at least obtain them from a knowlegable and experienced friend/relative. And - of course - keep a healthy distance from the long arm of The Law. Politicians (and law enforcement for that matter) are the last people who should be deciding what we may put into our bodies, and which states of mind we have a "right" to experience.
I agree with you here entirely 100%
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Jokeshopbeard said: Great example of forward thinking, which we need far more of, however you can see by the statement from government that it is a "remote assumption" it would look at the idea that shitty politics and bureaucracy is gonna stand in the way for a long time to come.
Quite right.
Dunne has absolutely no intention of legalising or allowing medicinal use of anything that is safe. Unless there is some major benefit for him. His sons company made a killing (and killed a few people/ruined many peoples lives) from 'legal highs' major conflict of interest right there.
Yes Peter Dunne may have recently allowed the use of a CBD extract to treat some poor young man in an extreme seizure who wasnt responding to over 20 other treatments and is showing signs of improvement. But it wouldnt of happened if it wasnt for the immense amount of public pressure and having the guy backed into an absolute corner. At this stage hes just entertaining the idea of MDMA, while quietly saying 'yea that aint ever gonna happen'. It was just a quick little comment he made, doubt he ever considered it seriously. It aint gona happen with Dunne, lets face it, he doesnt even consider medical cannabis, except when he has to, to protect his own image.
Seems to me he is just trying to take the chance to improve his own image - which might i add in this country in many peoples view he is up there competing with many other politicians as one of the biggest piles of dogshit out. Seriously the dude should be in jail along with half the politicians at the wasp nest called beehive.
Peter Dunnes hairstyle speaks for itself
Let's just continue with more synthetic cannabis then, they're available almost everywhere and many people get synthetic these days without knowing
Synthetic increases the risk for psychosis over normal cannabis it seems, it also can give kidney failure and kill people, several people have died from it
Ignorance wins daily
But they are banning e-cigarettes now, big step forward right? Only normal harmful cigs legal soon , even when tons of people have stopped smoking due to ecigs
Politicians only listen to the own little voice in their head, rarely to the people, don't count on them to save you. Make your own life, with their regulations or without them. It's not like people adhere to everything anyway. People don't even adhere to traffic regulations often.
Their control is worthless, unless it is a logical law.
Banning everything we 'dont know about' that's just insane. That's Peter Dunne's argument for letting cannabis be illegal.
Apparently the state has to "justify everything that is legal".
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