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Does the purge subside with regular use of Harmalas?
    #21819869 - 06/17/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've heard of people before who say after awhile of using Ayahuasca, they don't have as much issue with the gastrointestinal issues Ayahuasca causes, though some ended up thinking it was due to dietary changes. But i've also heard before that your body can get used to the Harmalas, or that once Ayahuasca clears you out, it doesn't make you have to purge anymore.

I myself, have noticed this kinda thing before personally, where i'd be taking Ayahuasca quite frequently, and after awhile i'd have no more nausea or no need to purge, plus i smoke Cannabis with Ayahuasca but that's never helped the purge, just the nausea, so while there could be some nausea sometimes, the Cannabis can definitely handle that, but i just haven't felt the need to purge.

Even working with higher Rue doses, which i know for sure are good doses due to the effects and how it feels, they seem like they would make me purge due to how high the dose is, but i don't end up purging.

Here recently i've been taking just the Rue kinda regularly and i've noticed once again i don't have really any gut issues, so far, that is. That could change, now that i've said something, don't wanna jinx myself but ya never know lol.

But yeah, anyone else ever experience something like this? I have a feeling that maybe your body does get used to the Harmalas after awhile of regular use, and that maybe some of the undesirable effects go away once your body is used to it.

I've also noticed that if i stop taking it for a bit, and then take it again, i will have nausea and vomiting, but if i keep taking it regularly, those side-effects seem to disappear, at least it seems like they do and i hope they do.


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Re: Does the purge subside with regular use of Harmalas? [Re: Sabnock]
    #21823319 - 06/18/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone?


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Re: Does the purge subside with regular use of Harmalas? [Re: Sabnock]
    #21823787 - 06/18/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I can't speak for Rue as I only used it as a full inhibitor on a few occasions before moving on to Ayahuasca.  For Ayahuasca the purge has definitely been less violent during my last few sessions.


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Re: Does the purge subside with regular use of Harmalas? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21823876 - 06/18/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How do you prepare the rue?

I stopped taking rue tea because of my GI discomfort, among other things. The stuff can really knock one on ones ass.


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Re: Does the purge subside with regular use of Harmalas? [Re: wolf fish]
    #21824017 - 06/18/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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How do you prepare the rue?

I stopped taking rue tea because of my GI discomfort, among other things. The stuff can really knock one on ones ass.




I know, the Rue can be strong in many aspects lol, i love it though, it's good stuff. But yeah, i do a full spectrum extract on Rue, by using vinegar and washing soda to precipitate out the extract from the Rue brew (100 grams of Rue, usually). The extract is so easy to work with, and can be encapsulated or smoked. One can still have gastrointestinal issues with too high of a dose, but 200mgs of Rue extract isn't that bad, and 185mgs won't cause the purge or much nausea for me personally, though i prefer going with 200mgs. But it seems the more regularly you work with it, the less GI issues there will be until are no more issues, possibly.

Also, you can clean up the Rue's headspace a bit, by mixing in something that can counteract Harmaline's GABA-A inverse agonism, and ime, 1 to 4 grams of Lemon Balm (depending on how strong it is) can counteract the inverse agonism at the GABA-A receptor because Lemon Balm inhibits GABA-Transaminase which can raise levels of GABA and thus counteract Harmaline's binding at the GABA-A receptor. Or Skullcap when smoked (only a puff or two) can counteract it as well i've noticed. But you don't wanna use too much of a GABA-A agonist or it'll dull down the DMT part, but just enough to counteract the inverse agonism, it seems to go by really well.


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Re: Does the purge subside with regular use of Harmalas? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21824026 - 06/18/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I can't speak for Rue as I only used it as a full inhibitor on a few occasions before moving on to Ayahuasca.  For Ayahuasca the purge has definitely been less violent during my last few sessions.




That's good to hear. I have a feeling the more regularly one ingests the Harmalas (whether Caapi or Rue), one can build up a tolerance for the purge and so after awhile you may not even have to purge. I'm very interested in seeing if this is the case because if it is, that'd be really good news.


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Re: Does the purge subside with regular use of Harmalas? [Re: Sabnock]
    #21825272 - 06/18/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Harmalas, and the purge, feel very emotional for me.  Like blocks are being removed.  My least comfortable Ayahuasca session was one where I couldn't purge.  I went into it with the wrong mindset and spent the night rolling around on the ground grabbing my stomach.


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Re: Does the purge subside with regular use of Harmalas? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21825712 - 06/18/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah i have no issue what so ever purging if i have to. Sometimes i'll even purge when i don't have to, but the intensity is just too much and purging helps to calm things down. But after awhile, no need to purge, especially once you work with the dosage for a bit. And Cannabis works wonders not only with nausea and other gut pains, but also it synergizes nicely with Ayahuasca and sends it off into a more peaceful experience ime.


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