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Re: Explain losing sense of reality at high dosages. [Re: hTx]
#21821932 - 06/18/15 01:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I used to lucid dream from when I was 4 or so, there it was always black ravens chasing me
but then in 96 I had my first sleep paralysis, entity outside my window, came into my room sat on me, could feel it wanted to kill me could see it in full creature and all - demonic
it sat in my chest and I could look it into its eyes but not scream or move, could only move my eyes
I thought I was awake and my mom was next room and all...
couldn't breathe, felt like dying I think
don't remember more, that was scary as hell, first seeing it outside the window then it coming into the room and sitting on you
and I was living on 3rd floor lol
I still remember it like 2mins ago, and it's 19 years ago
what's interesting is that I had forgot all about it, until I took psychedelics, then I remembered it, and the next interesting thing is I had changed 180degrees as a person after that experience in 96, new person but not for the better
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Re: Explain losing sense of reality at high dosages. [Re: Kronk]
#21839833 - 06/21/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kronk said: Greatly appreciated advice. Thank you. I will consider your dose recommendation.
Good advice on dosage from lessismore, but it depends on how you take the mushrooms. I've always preferred dried fruit over fresh, powdered, and 3.5 gms is our regular dosage, sometimes 4.0 gms. BUT when we combined 3 dosages for a total of 10.5 gms to be divided 3 ways using lemon juice, a bit of grain alcohol and hot tea - the experience is NOT something I readily want to repeat and I've been tripping for 44 years! Ordinarily, I powder the 3.5 gms in an electric coffee grinder and immediately add cinnamon apple sauce. Do not leave ground mushroom powder exposed to air for very long or its potency will be lost through oxidation. The cinnamon helps settle the stomach, the fruit pectin helps break down the cell walls, and the vitamin C may serve as an antioxidant and acidify the content to aid in the extraction along with stomach acid. Then mix, spoon the goo down after a brief prayer, and wash it down with water. It helps to take a brief walk around the block, but we don't much do that anymore. We're always running around the house at night lighting colored votives and candles and turning off electric lights instead.
Ego-death can arrive as a convincing delusion that one has been poisoned and might be dying. On high doses, one stops identifying with oneself as a primarily biological creature with social roles, and experience oneself as awareness, light, vibration, a dissociated 'Witness,' or as a stream of evolutionary change. I highly recommend Stan Grof's book Realms of the Human Unconscious: Observations From LSD Research which has been retitled and reissued as LSD: Doorway to the Numinous: The Groundbreaking Psychedelic Research into realms of the Human Unconscious.
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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lessismore
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Re: Explain losing sense of reality at high dosages. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#21844740 - 06/23/15 05:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yup, that's pretty accurate description of egodeath
I would say with egodeath you start to remember , your full being, what you have forgotten
It can also leave you quite naked in front of reality, as you got almost no self identity left after it for a while
All you believed in was wrong, that's a good egodeath
We often convince ourselves that our society is right, science is right science rules the universe, we are our brains and atoms
But egodeath will make you question anything
There is also the possibility of getting out of it with inflated ego, it is a side effect listed on Erowid too. When LSD mangles the ego it often gets too high or too low, but if you have learned you will usually be able to transcend it to some extent.
The ego is permanent, there is no such thing as a permanent egodeath, we all got an ego, that's how we navigate the world
You cannot navigate the world without an 'I', self identity
After an egodeath you basically reinstall your operating system, it is usually not pleasant, but it is also pleasant at the same time
The ego helps keep us comfortable, that's why egodeath is unpleasant, the ego doesn't want to die We feel comfortable when we can rely on ourselves, think we know, when we think we know more/are better than others etc.
But with egodeath all those illusions are stripped from us, and if we are too deep into the illusion it may not be pleasant
Probably why they say they "don't unplug people when they're old" in the matrix  The mind hangs onto its thoughts, a mind that is old may not be ready to be unplugged because it has been accustomized to its thoughts and ego
Egodeath to a well developed ego will feel like the worst thing in the universe, literal death The person will feel he is going insane or such...
When we learn to soften our ego we learn to accept death and go with the flow, and even transcend that ego part of ourselves I am not just my thoughts I learned
Then we may remember our real self
But yes, the usual feeling is 'I am dying', I ate poison, who am I, I feel crazy etc., should I dial 911? etc.. The ego hates getting dissolved like psychedelics temporarily can do
Now I wouldn't urge anyone to take 5g ever, it's personal choice, it can have good and bad impacts on people. Egodeath i.e. is not only pleasant, even though the ego rebuilds itself with months/years.
Formatting the brain is not only pleasant, you will have to reinstall everything you know, how you see yourself and your friends, what you want to do etc.
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Re: Explain losing sense of reality at high dosages. [Re: lessismore]
#21844856 - 06/23/15 06:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So the real interesting thing is not about the trip for me, but what comes after
Shrooms/LSD can have a positive impact afterwards, and egodeath can too
It depends on your choices in life...
If you have lied to yourself your whole life, egodeath will be very unpleasant, you may not even get out of it intact
If you have always chosen with the heart in all matters then it will be nothing and even help you further on your path
Shrooms/LSD help me make good choices afterwards that's what I like about them, unlike weed
If I got more energy after the trip I know I tripped right
(pardon my pain pills induced stupidity if this is all getting unclear...)
Know your set,setting,dose , know what you want from the trip (intention)
at some point you usually find another intention than just to trip for visuals, or most people seem to do, because mushrooms can do much more (so this thread doesn't make so much sense)
If you instead trip to "know" stuff, then you hang onto your thoughts, you may even get crazy, or the mushroom will teach you quickly. I would say it is a shame that people are taught to trip just for the visuals or just to "understand"
Understanding comes after the trip, never in it I believe
You see an alternative reality frame there, it is usually never real - because you don't control your thoughts well there, there are much better ways to 'understand' than doing a trip
What you understand in the trip usually doesn't make sense, but what you understand after it may...
The things we understand in trips are the ego's delusions , that we believe fully in, so we are basically delusional, it's almost impossible for most people to avoid delusions in a trip, especially high doses
I'd rather go with no intention for the trip, or a good intention. A bad intention is to trip to gain something IMO (or want something when tripping), it usually only damages.
A buddhist monk takes shrooms/LSD at high dose, almost nothing happens A new tripper takes 2g shrooms and sees death
you see your fear, all your wantings, your subconscious - but if you clean the mind there is not much to see , because there is no fear
our subconscious projects our fear into our reality, both in this one, in trips and in lucid dreams it seems (that's what the ego does)
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Re: Explain losing sense of reality at high dosages. [Re: Kronk]
#21846481 - 06/23/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kronk said: My interpretation leaves me hesitant. The way I read it I interpret it as being similar to blackout drunk, as in having no real control and ending up in places not knowing how you got their or why you decided to go there.
Yes, very large doses mean losing control and having blackouts, or just losing control and hallucinating hard for what seems like an eternity. That is just a waste of time in my opinion, unless you are into the science of calibrating the entire spectrum of tryptamine dosages.
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I won't even ask what ego death is like as I have a pretty good idea.
Cool. Remember that set and setting are as important as dosage.
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