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Erik77johansson77
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Pasteurization (partially sterile) coir/verm/coffee/gypsum
#21817846 - 06/17/15 06:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't get this, cannot find the correct answer cause I only find: pasteurize vs sterilizing
I put the substrate into bag and the CORE should be 140-160F (60-70C)
But outside the core is more like 75-85C is this partially sterilized?
I don't follow what Frank has written also. He says:
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Coir does not germinate mold spores. So you can get away with sterilizing this recipe or using the bucket tek as well.
So can it be partially sterile also, don't get it!
I turned of my stove at 60C but it raised to 85C (the core)
It's ruined?
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Re: Pasteurization (partially sterile) coir/verm/coffee/gypsum [Re: Erik77johansson77]
#21817864 - 06/17/15 06:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Imo never go above 160 . The core will be above that by at least 10 degrees which is fine. Let it cook. And idk what the hell that guy was saying. When it has come to pasteurization I have always seen hay and cow/gorse shit pasturized. I don't think there is a need to pasteurize coir. Seeing how there is no good bacteria on it. But then again I could be wrong about coir . .
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Erik77johansson77
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Re: Pasteurization (partially sterile) coir/verm/coffee/gypsum [Re: Shroom Kitty]
#21817880 - 06/17/15 06:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hmm I was more thinking of the core should never right above 160F But what about the rest, they are definitely above 160F, should the outer core be partially sterilized?
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Re: Pasteurization (partially sterile) coir/verm/coffee/gypsum [Re: Erik77johansson77]
#21817946 - 06/17/15 06:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The core will always be at a lower temperature than the exterior.
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Re: Pasteurization (partially sterile) coir/verm/coffee/gypsum [Re: Erik77johansson77]
#21817954 - 06/17/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your thinking about it too hard. bring core to 170f for 1.5 hours and your golden.
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Re: Pasteurization (partially sterile) coir/verm/coffee/gypsum [Re: Algo]
#21817995 - 06/17/15 07:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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AlgoRythm said: Your thinking about it too hard. bring core to 170f for 1.5 hours and your golden.
Yea I just turn the stove up to 165 And monitor . The reason I say that its hotter in the core is because I have always read the temp and its always higher. Think of it as an insulator.
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Re: Pasteurization (partially sterile) coir/verm/coffee/gypsum [Re: ShroominMe]
#21818084 - 06/17/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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ShroominMe said: The core will always be at a lower temperature than the exterior.
Eventually everythings the same temperature If your pot never goes over 70C, neither will anything inside the pot But eventually everthings gonna be at 70C
Just takes pretty long and i cant see any advantage in pasteurizing coir anyway
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Re: Pasteurization (partially sterile) coir/verm/coffee/gypsum [Re: Shroom Kitty]
#21818147 - 06/17/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Coir/verm can be sterilized. Not sure if adding coffee will matter.... I doubt it will hurt. I assume it is coffee water. I have only tried it a couple times & now I don't use it, because it didn't make a noticeable difference.
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Re: Pasteurization (partially sterile) coir/verm/coffee/gypsum [Re: Erik77johansson77]
#21818174 - 06/17/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Erik77johansson77 said: I don't get this, cannot find the correct answer cause I only find: pasteurize vs sterilizing
I put the substrate into bag and the CORE should be 140-160F (60-70C)
But outside the core is more like 75-85C is this partially sterilized?
I don't follow what Frank has written also. He says:
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Coir does not germinate mold spores. So you can get away with sterilizing this recipe or using the bucket tek as well.
So can it be partially sterile also, don't get it!
that's not partial sterilization. part. sterilization happens when the core has gotten too high temps for a short period.
during the cool down the thermophiliac bacterias from the core will take over the outer parts of the sub that have gotten higher than pasteurization temps.
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Re: Pasteurization (partially sterile) coir/verm/coffee/gypsum [Re: spacechildo]
#21818946 - 06/17/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Partial sterilization doesn't mean that part of the sub is sterilized. It means you got above pasteurization temps but not to proper sterilization.
OP, toss your sub out. If you hadn't added coffee you could have gotten away with it. Measure the core, and never let it come above 170F. Pull it out of the water if you need to.
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Erik77johansson77
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Re: Pasteurization (partially sterile) coir/verm/coffee/gypsum [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21819035 - 06/17/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey guys, thanks for the info. I need to be more careful then. So hard so obtain correct core-temp.
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Shroom Kitty said:
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AlgoRythm said: Your thinking about it too hard. bring core to 170f for 1.5 hours and your golden.
Yea I just turn the stove up to 165 And monitor . The reason I say that its hotter in the core is because I have always read the temp and its always higher. Think of it as an insulator.
Isn't not like meat, when you take it out and the temp. only rises few degrees after.
This temp. raises 20+ c when you pull it out. I had to make three batches to get it right.
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spacechildo said: that's not partial sterilization. part. sterilization happens when the core has gotten too high temps for a short period.
during the cool down the thermophiliac bacterias from the core will take over the outer parts of the sub that have gotten higher than pasteurization temps.
Thanks got my answer there, about other parts that have higher temp than the core.
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36fuckin5 said: Partial sterilization doesn't mean that part of the sub is sterilized. It means you got above pasteurization temps but not to proper sterilization.
OP, toss your sub out. If you hadn't added coffee you could have gotten away with it. Measure the core, and never let it come above 170F. Pull it out of the water if you need to.
Okey, now I understand. Now I know the line
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