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5 completely insane things Christian fundamentalists are teaching their kids
#21817774 - 06/17/15 05:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Saw this article and just knew it would be gold 
Have to say, just finished reason one and I am not disappointed 
Accelerated Christian Education is a fundamentalist school curriculum used in a claimed 6,000 schools and 145 countries. Despite the name, education is actually second to its stated primary purpose, which is “to diligently teach our children to love the Lord in every sphere of their lives, with all their hearts, all their souls, and all their minds,” according to its website.
ACE explicitly says its intention is that students should not have any knowledge of anything contrary to the Bible. In practice, students are taught gross distortions and misrepresentations of mainstream science, like these 33 bizarre multiple choice questions from the ACE coursework. Here’s a look at the some of the blatant mistruths ACE teaches. 1. The Loch Ness Monster Disproves Evolution
Science PACE (Packet of Accelerated Christian Education) 1099 contains this priceless wisdom:
Some scientists speculate that Noah took small or baby dinosaurs on the Ark…. are dinosaurs still alive today? With some recent photographs and testimonies of those who claimed to have seen one, scientists are becoming more convinced of their existence…
Have you heard of the ‘Loch Ness Monster’ in Scotland? ‘Nessie,’ for short, has been recorded on sonar from a small submarine, described by eyewitnesses, and photographed by others. Nessie appears to be a plesiosaur.
This caused a media storm when it was revealed that ACE schools would be eligible for Louisiana’s school voucher program. Earlier this year it was reported that ACE had removed the Loch Ness Monster claim, but this is only the case outside of the United States. The information which replaces Nessie for international students is scarcely any better:
Pictures of dinosaurs have been discovered in ancient rock carvings and paintings. A reptile that could be an allosaur or a tyrannosaur is etched on the walls of Rattlesnake Canyon in Colorado. African bushmen painted pictures of other dinosaur-like creatures with pictures of a hippopotamus, giraffe, and elephant on the walls of a cave near Harare, Zimbabwe. These drawings made by man are an indication of the possibility that dinosaurs coexisted with man.
Chinese, Egyptian, and Irish stories of dragons may also have arisen from the stories of men who saw dinosaurs and passed on their descriptions to later generations.
So Nessie doesn’t disprove evolution, but cave paintings and legends about dragons do. Sadly for ACE, even Fox News won’t give that claim any credence.
2. Solar Fusion Is a Myth
The sun, as everybody knows, works by nuclear fusion. Unfortunately, ACE has a pet theory, outlined on pages 7-9 of Science 1096 (a PACE devoted entirely to refuting evolution, packed with misinformation and distortions of the truth). In short, these creationists want to prove that the sun is shrinking. If the sun is shrinking at a constant rate, then billions of years ago it would have swallowed up the earth. This, they say, proves that the universe must be young.
Unfortunately for them, the sun is not shrinking. That’s because, contrary to their assumptions, the sun is not a massive gas boiler gradually shrinking as it burns fuel. It’s a fusion reactor. This doesn’t fit their model, so they outright deny the truth:
The nuclear fusion theory of how the sun emits heat and light is an invention of evolution scientists… All other theories require the sun to use up all its energy sooner than the evolutionists’ invented timetable would allow.
Rest or article here
I am too lazy to copy it all so if you want more click the link.
Man, I thought I knew Christians were nuts but jeez!
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Re: 5 completely insane things Christian fundamentalists are teaching their kids [Re: musiclover420]
#21817779 - 06/17/15 05:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Made me remember this classic Bill Hicks rant:

He says it best "how fucking scientific"
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Re: 5 completely insane things Christian fundamentalists are teaching their kids [Re: Sanguin3]
#21817856 - 06/17/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sanguin3 said: My mom home schooled me in 7th and 8th grade and this was the shit we used,l. I'd be done with a whole weeks worth of work in like 4 hours. They focus a whole lot more on god than actually trying to teach you anything, it was ridiculous.
As a man of faith im speechless. I had a secular education and it never made me question my faith. I never looked to the stars and said what about dinosaurs!!!!
The whole argument is a trap for both the religious and those who claim the opposite. As if dinosaurs suddenly are a game changer No they are not.
For fucks sake people, I have no problem drawing the line between a creation myth poetically trying to convey some trippy ass shit in relation to my position here. And dinosaurs. Hell my astronomy teacher was a devout catholic and man of science.
You can confuse yourselves, or your children no matter what your stance all you feel like. But there is no reason not to keep your feet on the ground.
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Re: 5 completely insane things Christian fundamentalists are teaching their kids [Re: Sanguin3]
#21817874 - 06/17/15 06:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Damn, I bet you are glad that only lasted 2 years!
I have nothing against religion or faith but it is scary when they are trying to spread such blatant mis information.
Science and spirituality are both vital IMO but of course corruption is incredibly prevalent.
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Re: 5 completely insane things Christian fundamentalists are teaching their kids [Re: Almond Flour]
#21817876 - 06/17/15 06:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Who decides what is metaphorical and what is literal with your faith? If someone else tells you wouldn't that be nothing more then another humans interpretation of it? Seems to me like it would all be true, or none of it, or you pick what suits your own ideolo h y and the rest is "poetic"
When the bible says god made the earth in 7 days less then 10000 years ago, millions of years old fossils would definitely show that to be wrong, and to me it's a cop out to say "we'll that's only a poetic way to convey a message"...because how could you possibly know that.
Im not trying to disprove your fai th and I respect your beliefs, just want to understand
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Re: 5 completely insane things Christian fundamentalists are teaching their kids [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21817893 - 06/17/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: Who decides what is metaphorical and what is literal with your faith? If someone else tells you wouldn't that be nothing more then another humans interpretation of it? Seems to me like it would all be true, or none of it, or you pick what suits your own ideolo h y and the rest is "poetic"
When the bible says god made the earth in 7 days less then 10000 years ago, millions of years old fossils would definitely show that to be wrong, and to me it's a cop out to say "we'll that's only a poetic way to convey a message"...because how could you possibly know that.
Im not trying to disprove your fai th and I respect your beliefs, just want to understand
Who decides? The Catholic Church. They never once preached ""THIS IS THE BIBLE, IT IS ALL YOU EVER NEED FOR SPIRITUALITY AND SCIENTIFIC FACT""". This is a benefit of having "Organized Religion" that everyone hates so much. Checks and balances can be made in order to prevent some ass-hat from screaming "God planted dinosaur bones to lead the ungodly astray". And while reading the bible is encouraged ultimately the final interpretation is up to Church authorities who have a firm knowledge in the scriptures, where they came from, the context spoken, etc. etc.
Its not a cop out, and while yes scientific information has been misinterpreted back in its infancy.....today the Church takes a very grounded approach in how it views the world, and has no problem with a secular understanding of certain topics that exist. Im telling you I almost WISH they were a little more "Magical" with their thinking at times.
-------------------- Hippies and Liberals love Pope Francis, so why dont I quote him for you guys. "There is NO SALVATION outside the Catholic Church"
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Re: 5 completely insane things Christian fundamentalists are teaching their kids [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21817903 - 06/17/15 06:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: Who decides what is metaphorical and what is literal with your faith? If someone else tells you wouldn't that be nothing more then another humans interpretation of it? Seems to me like it would all be true, or none of it, or you pick what suits your own ideolo h y and the rest is "poetic"
When the bible says god made the earth in 7 days less then 10000 years ago, millions of years old fossils would definitely show that to be wrong, and to me it's a cop out to say "we'll that's only a poetic way to convey a message"...because how could you possibly know that.
Im not trying to disprove your fai th and I respect your beliefs, just want to understand
I also should mention you have to pick and choose at times. The bible is a collection of writings or books that are all very different. It is not a single story titled "THE BIBLE" as most would have folks believe.
-------------------- Hippies and Liberals love Pope Francis, so why dont I quote him for you guys. "There is NO SALVATION outside the Catholic Church"
Edited by Almond Flour (06/17/15 06:46 AM)
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Re: 5 completely insane things Christian fundamentalists are teaching their kids [Re: musiclover420]
#21817909 - 06/17/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those aren't Christians.
Those are fear mongering religious whackos trying to stay in power by deceiving the masses. Believer or not.
There is plenty evidence for a young Earth/Universe that doesn't need fear or lies to exist.
I urge you not to subscribe to the reality that this is what a Christian is.
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Re: 5 completely insane things Christian fundamentalists are teaching their kids [Re: Almond Flour]
#21817916 - 06/17/15 06:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Uhmmm....
Isn't Christianity that one religion, you know. The one with that place. A little place called hell.
Something I believe about burning for eternity in a lake of fire if you are not faithful?

Sounds like them saying you need it to me 
Did you even read through that article? Because that stuff isn't outdated beliefs, they are pretty damn recent if not still circulating.
Does not seem grounded at all to me...
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: 5 completely insane things Christian fundamentalists are teaching their kids [Re: Almond Flour]
#21817949 - 06/17/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Almond Flour said:
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SirShroomsAlott said: Who decides what is metaphorical and what is literal with your faith? If someone else tells you wouldn't that be nothing more then another humans interpretation of it? Seems to me like it would all be true, or none of it, or you pick what suits your own ideolo h y and the rest is "poetic"
When the bible says god made the earth in 7 days less then 10000 years ago, millions of years old fossils would definitely show that to be wrong, and to me it's a cop out to say "we'll that's only a poetic way to convey a message"...because how could you possibly know that.
Im not trying to disprove your fai th and I respect your beliefs, just want to understand
Who decides? The Catholic Church. They never once preached ""THIS IS THE BIBLE, IT IS ALL YOU EVER NEED FOR SPIRITUALITY AND SCIENTIFIC FACT""". This is a benefit of having "Organized Religion" that everyone hates so much. Checks and balances can be made in order to prevent some ass-hat from screaming "God planted dinosaur bones to lead the ungodly astray". And while reading the bible is encouraged ultimately the final interpretation is up to Church authorities who have a firm knowledge in the scriptures, where they came from, the context spoken, etc. etc.
Its not a cop out, and while yes scientific information has been misinterpreted back in its infancy.....today the Church takes a very grounded approach in how it views the world, and has no problem with a secular understanding of certain topics that exist. Im telling you I almost WISH they were a little more "Magical" with their thinking at times.
Your first line made your argument invalid, not about your faith, but hicks was talking about fundamental christians, not catholics.
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Re: 5 completely insane things Christian fundamentalists are teaching their kids [Re: Shiithead]
#21817966 - 06/17/15 07:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shiithead said: Those aren't Christians.
Those are fear mongering religious whackos trying to stay in power by deceiving the masses. Believer or not.
There is plenty evidence for a young Earth/Universe that doesn't need fear or lies to exist.
I urge you not to subscribe to the reality that this is what a Christian is.
If you don't mind me asking, what evidence would that be.
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Re: 5 completely insane things Christian fundamentalists are teaching their kids [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21817986 - 06/17/15 07:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah I was wondering that as well.
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Re: 5 completely insane things Christian fundamentalists are teaching their kids [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21818000 - 06/17/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you don't mind me asking, what evidence would that be.
There is a handful. I would elaborate but I have to go to work so I will just post a video I think pertains to the point I am trying to convey.
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Re: 5 completely insane things Christian fundamentalists are teaching their kids [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21818130 - 06/17/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: Who decides what is metaphorical and what is literal with your faith? If someone else tells you wouldn't that be nothing more then another humans interpretation of it? Seems to me like it would all be true, or none of it, or you pick what suits your own ideolo h y and the rest is "poetic"
When the bible says god made the earth in 7 days less then 10000 years ago, millions of years old fossils would definitely show that to be wrong, and to me it's a cop out to say "we'll that's only a poetic way to convey a message"...because how could you possibly know that.
Im not trying to disprove your fai th and I respect your beliefs, just want to understand
There are different approaches to this. One is that God gave humans the ability to reason and wants them to use it to appreciate creation. If well-grounded scientific inquiry contradicts a literal interpretation of a spiritual text, "obviously" a literal interpretation of those passages can't be what God wants. You can speculate on alternate explanations (was a "day" necessarily always 24 hours?) but at the end of the day you go to your spiritual text for spiritual truths, not science facts.
The approach that says that any layman can flip open a Bible translated to their language and find nothing but unambiguous literal truths is another way to go. From this standpoint it's very important that nothing in there be acknowledged to be false or else the whole thing falls apart. From within that framework, age dating of fossils is no problem since it's no challenge for an omnimpotent God to fake the evidence and doctor the proportions of isotopes and so on. This prankster God who wants to trick people into believing the wrong thing so they go to hell is very appealing to some.
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Re: 5 completely insane things Christian fundamentalists are teaching their kids [Re: Shiithead]
#21818162 - 06/17/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shiithead said:
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If you don't mind me asking, what evidence would that be.
There is a handful. I would elaborate but I have to go to work so I will just post a video I think pertains to the point I am trying to convey.
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