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1st time bulk...questions?
    #21817632 - 06/17/15 03:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i have done pf tek twice before and i think its time to move to bulk.
so far so good i have inoculated 14 jars of millet, lost one to contam. the others are doing good.
4 of them now are 100% complete, and i am going to use coir/verm/gypsum as sub in 45 litre tub.

now i have a couple of questions:

1-is it normal to see condensation inside full colonized jars?
2-is a big spoon of gypsum enough?
3-do i have to make a top layer? (its cube b+)
4-do i need to run a fan in the room? is it gonna affect the yield?
5-after mixing everything inside the tub, should i cover it with a black trash bag, a heavy blanket OR nothing at all and place it in a dark place for 10 days or something to finish colonizing?


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Re: 1st time bulk...questions? [Re: oontribe]
    #21817672 - 06/17/15 03:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

1. yes
2. yes
3. I don't know what a 'top layer' is.  If you mean casing, I say yes but others will say not necessary.
4a. yes
4b. possibly
5. Just a dark place.  No trash bag because you want to allow GE

I suggest you find a tek and follow it. :rolleyes:


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Re: 1st time bulk...questions? [Re: ShroominMe]
    #21817686 - 06/17/15 03:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i dont have a dark place big enough to fit the tub.
can i just leave them inside a clean room with 12/12 ambient light

and i have read many teks considering mono/grain/sub.

thank you for your information. :smile:


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Re: 1st time bulk...questions? [Re: oontribe]
    #21817717 - 06/17/15 04:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I wrap my tubs in black garbage bags for colonization. Lots of guys do. I've never had a problem.


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Re: 1st time bulk...questions? [Re: DensePlacebo]
    #21817728 - 06/17/15 04:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Why in a dark spot? I got the impression from reading posts from TC's that mycelium benefits light at all stages. So..?

And that light triggers pinning early, never seem to be a problem of mine. And my mycelium get ambient sunlight from day 1.


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Re: 1st time bulk...questions? [Re: Grimley]
    #21817753 - 06/17/15 04:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

1-yes
2-I don't even use gypsum ( never have ).
3-Yes, don't leave the grains poking through. 1/4 in works for a top layer.
4-If you have good air flow in the room I wouldn't. I grow in a smaller area ( most people do ) so I keep one running on low. 
5-You can. I just throw a white sheet over a few tubs so it gets ambient light.


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Re: 1st time bulk...questions? [Re: Th3Issu3]
    #21817829 - 06/17/15 05:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

iam sorry but what do you mean by throwing a white sheet to get an ambient room light?

and a top layer is to leave a small portion of the sub (coir/verm/gypsum mix) to place it on top of the sub/spawn mix inside the tub.


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Re: 1st time bulk...questions? [Re: oontribe]
    #21817925 - 06/17/15 06:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ok so the set up I have, I fruit in my closet on shelves.




Then in my room the tubs that are not ready to fruit, I just throw a bed sheet over them. Nothing to serous man.


Yeah after you pasteurize your CVG mix, take most of it and mix it with your spawn. Make sure to save just enough to make a 1/4 inch topping so no grain or WBS is showing. Make sure its flat and level too. ( this is not considered a casing layer). Casing is when you are 100 % colonized and then add more to the top. I've never used a casing.


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Re: 1st time bulk...questions? [Re: Th3Issu3]
    #21817963 - 06/17/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i see that you dont have top holes in the monos!
and the sgfc is placed with the monos and the fan is pointing directly at it
which is not recommended because the perlite well get dry and the fan shouldnt be pointed directly at the mono too! but from your results i think you are doing fine.
and this is my 1st time to do bulk to be honest with you so thats what i read.

thanks for the information man.


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Re: 1st time bulk...questions? [Re: oontribe]
    #21817971 - 06/17/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There are top holes in the mono's you just cant see them for some weird reason. 

The fan I moved for picture purposes. It was normally under the bottom shelf oscillating on low.

That SGFC with the cakes was a experiment. I've never really did them before. I don't really like them either. Seems like a waste of time for me.

It's a bit of a old photo tho, but hope you get the point.


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Re: 1st time bulk...questions? [Re: Th3Issu3]
    #21817998 - 06/17/15 07:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yea cakes are a lot of work for a very bad yields!

thanks for clearing things out. :smile:


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Re: 1st time bulk...questions? [Re: oontribe]
    #21818035 - 06/17/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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yea cakes are a lot of work for a very bad yields!



Very true indeed. I always wondered why experienced growers recommend starting out with the PF Tek, IMO there is a higher chance of contamination knocking up brf cakes than using a SHIP on a grain jar. :shrug:


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Re: 1st time bulk...questions? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21818166 - 06/17/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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oontribe said:
yea cakes are a lot of work for a very bad yields!



Very true indeed. I always wondered why experienced growers recommend starting out with the PF Tek, IMO there is a higher chance of contamination knocking up brf cakes than using a SHIP on a grain jar. :shrug:




Because some beginners noc the grain jars with MS. (I started that way myself, until I learned agar) If the syringe is contaminated your fucked. It take a lot longer to colonize a grain jar than a BRF cake when using MS. (not too mention time invested colonizing the bulk substrate only to end contaminated) When working with grains agar work is the way to go. That way you know you are dealing with clean cultures.


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