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InvisibleTheEaglesGift
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Mazatapec monotub * 4
    #21817563 - 06/17/15 02:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

MAZATAPEC

5 quarts g2g inoculated oats spawned to CVG(1 brick coir, 2 quarts verm, 1/4 quart gypsum, 4.5 quarts water) in a 66 quart sterilite monotub, cased with 50/50+(added gypsum). Casing was colonized to 30ish percent, then fruited:







Put back into fruiting after harvest. Misted daily. Produced another very even flush, especially considering it was multi-spore(ms):



3rd and final flush:



Bonus pics from past Mazatapec tub:



Feel free to ask me questions about how I get things done. These results aren't out of reach for a novice, but it does take some hard work, patience, and perseverance.


Edited by TheEaglesGift (11/05/15 06:08 PM)


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Re: Mazatapec monotub [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21817598 - 06/17/15 03:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:eek: wow :eek:

Magnificent for MS
Good job bro


Edited by Djchrist (06/17/15 03:02 AM)


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OfflineBLINKfan420
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Re: Mazatapec monotub [Re: Djchrist]
    #21817620 - 06/17/15 03:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Question:

Could you, for the love of god and the mushies, right a Tek on getting MS grows to fruit like that?

Incredible.



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InvisibleTheEaglesGift
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Re: Mazatapec monotub [Re: BLINKfan420]
    #21817655 - 06/17/15 03:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

BLINKfan420 said:
Question:

Could you, for the love of god and the mushies, right a Tek on getting MS grows to fruit like that?

Incredible.



BLiNK




I don't think I could write a tek on that, since MS is a gamble. I think casing your ms grows certainly helps, it seems to help mine. Let's say I do 10 tubs and case 5 of them, generally speaking the 5 that I case will perform better. Even if the uncased 5 tubs push out the same weight, I find that casing helps give more even flushes.

And my ms tubs don't always do this. I'm not exactly posting my shitty ms grows, cause they're shitty to see. :lol:

I could write a tek on how to clone though, so you can start seeing consistent results. Cloning is pretty fucking easy.

Here is a PE grow I did from a clone I took: Penis Envy clone monotub

That's not to say you can't get results like this from ms, because you can. I just prefer cloning over ms, given the choice. Cloning, generally speaking, gives better results and more consistent results.


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Re: Mazatapec monotub [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21817675 - 06/17/15 03:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

great show eagle :thumbup:


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Re: Mazatapec monotub [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21817713 - 06/17/15 04:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

do you mist and fan mono? do you mist the sub/spawn mix or the walls?
do you run a fan in the room?
whats the final yields dry weight?

thank you so much for sharing your info :smile:


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Re: Mazatapec monotub [Re: oontribe]
    #21819259 - 06/17/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks Eagle, but that brings me to another question if ya don't mind:

Would you suggest MS to agar, or tissue(clone) to agar?

I need to start agar soon and I have fruits coming.  But I never thought to knock a plate up with a clone instead of my MS syringes. 

What are the pros/cons of tissue on agar vs MS on agar, as far as contam rates, number of transfers needed for clean growth, etc.

Sorry if this is a loaded question but you seem to know what you're doing. Lol


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Invisiblejbaby007
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Re: Mazatapec monotub [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21819321 - 06/17/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So I'm running my very first monotub and I thoroughly enjoy the results so far. However I'm a little upset that I didn't get a beautiful even pinset like yours. I'm assuming casing helps with this?
I didn't case my tub because I've read that it's not required for cubes but I don't like harvesting each and every mushie at different intervals throughout several days.


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InvisibleTheEaglesGift
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Re: Mazatapec monotub [Re: oontribe]
    #21819350 - 06/17/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

do you mist and fan mono? do you mist the sub/spawn mix or the walls?
do you run a fan in the room?
whats the final yields dry weight?

thank you so much for sharing your info :smile:




You're welcome.

I honestly don't remember how I treated this tub too specifically, but I think I misted/fanned a little.

I always make sure the room has some air flow of some kind. Open window in a breezy day, a fan, air conditioner. Something. IME, stagnant air and set and forget monotubs don't do nearly as well.

The way I treat a tub depends on a few things. Some of them are: how much condensation is on the sub surface, how much fae they're getting(a lot right now because it's humid where I live and I have a lot of fans running because it's summer), and how busy I am.

If I notice the sub surface is dried up(no water droplets/condensation), then I'll lightly mist.

This tub was cased. Even though the casing layer ended up mostly consumed, I still find that casing layers prevent the sub from drying out, and casing layers respond better to misting than an uncased tub does(where the water can just sit or pool on top of the sub and end up not being absorbed as easily as it would into casing layer material). Casing layers allow me to mist/fan more which gives better results. Casing layers also don't require you to mist/fan at all, and if your tub is dialed in you will get killer results.

That said, I don't case plenty of my non pe tubs, and still get good results. I just prefer casing. The pin set seems more even from casing, even from ms.

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Would you suggest MS to agar, or tissue(clone) to agar?




I suggest ms to agar, then I suggest cloning the early clusters while they're young from that grow. I take all my spores to agar, even spore syringes from vendors. I hate gambling with spores, even vendors send out a lot of dirty material. I don't like wasting time/materials.

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What are the pros/cons of tissue on agar vs MS on agar, as far as contam rates, number of transfers needed for clean growth, etc.




MS can show clean growth on the first plate. So can tissue. The way I take my clones(from the sterile tissue inside the stipe), almost always gives me clean growth from the start. If you were to clone a young pin, you'd likely encounter some bacteria, but the vigorous growth from a young pin will outrun it and then you make your transfer from the outer/fastest edge.

Making transfers is easy. Cleaning a culture is easy. I'll help you out with it when the time comes, if you need it.

I highly suggest cloning your fruits. Clone them when younger, is preferred.

Clones, generally speaking, perform better than ms. You at least know you're eliminating non fruiting mycelium from your subs. I find clones give more defined flushes as well, which makes harvesting easier. Makes for prettier pictures too. :wink:

I don't mind the questions. Let em rip.


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Re: Mazatapec monotub [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21819382 - 06/17/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Are you stuffing polyfill like Frank, or do you have a different approach?  I've been considering loosening up the bottom holes a bit.


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InvisibleTheEaglesGift
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Re: Mazatapec monotub [Re: grainbrain]
    #21819571 - 06/17/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

grainbrain said:
Are you stuffing polyfill like Frank, or do you have a different approach?  I've been considering loosening up the bottom holes a bit.




I stuff like Frank. I used to do about medium density in all the holes, but found my sub drying out more. I much prefer tight bottom(prevents the sub from drying out) and loose top.

Quote:

So I'm running my very first monotub and I thoroughly enjoy the results so far. However I'm a little upset that I didn't get a beautiful even pinset like yours. I'm assuming casing helps with this?
I didn't case my tub because I've read that it's not required for cubes but I don't like harvesting each and every mushie at different intervals throughout several days.




I think even with ms, casing can help give more even pinsets. At least they have for me. All my ms mazatapec tubs that were uncased also put out a ton of mutants, whereas the cased tubs did not. Odd, but whatever. I don't understand it, but I make note of it and move on.

If you want even flushes, massive pinsets and reliable results then get into cloning/isolation. I wish I got into agar sooner instead of fucking around with MS for ages. I'll still grow out MS these days, but only to take hunt for clones. Agar is king.


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Re: Mazatapec monotub [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21822119 - 06/18/15 02:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you!  If I ever need advice I'll message you.  I appreciate the friendliness =)

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InvisibleTheEaglesGift
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Re: Mazatapec monotub [Re: BLINKfan420]
    #21822241 - 06/18/15 03:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

My pleasure, brother.


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Re: Mazatapec monotub [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21822493 - 06/18/15 06:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for posting this, Eagle.  Threads like this are what lights up mush cult.  :super:


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Re: Mazatapec monotub [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21822572 - 06/18/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nice thread Eagle, and a great run.  Maz is one I've wanted to try but haven't gotten around to it, and obviously it is a dependable fruiting strain.  I had some issues with huatia a few years ago, stubborn to get into fruit, at least from ms and I didn't have the time to dick around with it back then.


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Re: Mazatapec monotub [Re: hamloaf]
    #21822636 - 06/18/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

hamloaf said:
Thanks for posting this, Eagle.  Threads like this are what lights up mush cult.  :super:




:whathesaid: very nice man!


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Re: Mazatapec monotub [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21822699 - 06/18/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Kickass!!


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Re: Mazatapec monotub [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #21822960 - 06/18/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nice one.


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Re: Mazatapec monotub [Re: eatyualive]
    #21823169 - 06/18/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

beautiful!


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Re: Mazatapec monotub [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21823992 - 06/18/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you everyone.

:blush:


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