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TheEaglesGift
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Penis Envy clone monotub 1
#21817386 - 06/17/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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PENIS ENVY CLONE
6 quarts of oat/wbs/coffee spawned to 1 brick of coir, 2 quarts of verm, 1/4 quart gypsum, 5 quarts water. 66 quart Sterilite tub. Cased with 50/50+(with gypsum added) after a consolidation period. Fruited at 30 percent casing layer colonization:
   
     
Some weird mutants. One actually looks like a penis, frenum and all:
 
Swabs:

I was constantly getting full blob flushes unstill I started casing with 2 quarts of 50/50+. The blob tubs looked like this:
 
The clone that this grow came from, actually came from one of the few normal fruits that this blob tub put out. I believe had I cased the ms tub that blobbed, it wouldn't have blobbed, at least not to the extent of 100 percent blobs. Far from it. Moral of the story, consolidate and case your Penis Envy tubs.
Same clone, different tub:
  
Not the most even pin set, but that big cluster put out a ton of huge monsters, one of which was well over 100 grams wet/10 grams dry:
   
Edited by TheEaglesGift (08/30/15 02:43 AM)
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Oh lawd! That one looks like a "The Last Of Us" shroom taking over a shroom! Lol!
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TheEaglesGift said: PENIS ENVY CLONE
6 quarts of oat/wbs/coffee spawned to 1 brick of coir, 2 quarts of verm, 1/4 quart gypsum, 5 quarts water. Cased with 50/50+(with gypsum added) after a consolidation period. Fruited at 30 percent casing layer colonization
So much for the 'coffee causes contams' argument 
After hydration what would your spawn:sub ratio be? Looks VERY high, which I approve.
Would love to see a grow log hint hint
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: ShroominMe]
#21817509 - 06/17/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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TheEaglesGift
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: ShroominMe]
#21817519 - 06/17/15 01:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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TheEaglesGift said: PENIS ENVY CLONE
6 quarts of oat/wbs/coffee spawned to 1 brick of coir, 2 quarts of verm, 1/4 quart gypsum, 5 quarts water. Cased with 50/50+(with gypsum added) after a consolidation period. Fruited at 30 percent casing layer colonization
So much for the 'coffee causes contams' argument 
After hydration what would your spawn:sub ratio be? Looks VERY high, which I approve.
Would love to see a grow log hint hint 
All the coffee ends up colonized by the time I spawn it to bulk, so it's not going to be a contamination issue by that point. If coffee is being added in the substrate it must be properly pasteurized or it is indeed prone to contamination.
I'm not sure the ratio. I usually use 5-6 quarts of spawn with this recipe, which is the norm. My spawn to bulk wasn't any higher than what anyone else here runs with.
I did a grow log here, if you'd like to see one of mine, it's a work in progress since I haven't fruited the clone I took yet: Albino A+ MS monotub
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Nice stuff eagle. Now all we need to do us find out why it works
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21817980 - 06/17/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Nice stuff eagle. Now all we need to do us find out why it works 
The reason there are 2,500,000 posts in this forum is because there are no absolute answers! (Despite what many claim)
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: ShroominMe]
#21818069 - 06/17/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nice bro. Thanks for starting your own thread too.
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: hamloaf]
#21818867 - 06/17/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Knocked it out of the park
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: Texshrooms]
#21818882 - 06/17/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Weight?
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: maddchef]
#21818904 - 06/17/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm gonna say 215 grams dry
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: maddchef]
#21818914 - 06/17/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kick ass man!!!
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I say 270. They looking meaty.
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: maddchef]
#21818953 - 06/17/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What made you decide to put coffee in with your oats? This is actually a decent idea as far as space is concerned and to make up some for the lost inoculation points vs wbs. Noticed any difference in colonization behavior or fruiting?
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: maddchef]
#21819056 - 06/17/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good shit
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TheEaglesGift
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: maddchef]
#21819279 - 06/17/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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maddchef said: What made you decide to put coffee in with your oats? This is actually a decent idea as far as space is concerned and to make up some for the lost inoculation points vs wbs. Noticed any difference in colonization behavior or fruiting?
I don't drink coffee but have a lot of it in my house. I'm not going to brew coffee just to simmer my oats in, so I add a tablespoon or two of fresh grounds straight to the simmer water. I don't rinse my grain after simmering so tons of the grounds end up in the jars. I don't notice faster colonization of my bulk subs because of it, or of my spawn jars even. I don't even notice faster colonization of my sub when using wbs over oats. Maybe a day or two tops, but it's a non issue to me.
The main reason I add coffee is just to vary the nutrition that I'm feeding the myc. I've read from many respected mycologists that mycelium likes a varied diet, and that really makes sense to me that it'd be true.
If I'm cooking more than one batch of grain in a night, I'll often cook up 1 batch of wbs and 1 batch of oats, then mix the two so my spawn is more varied. I can't say for sure it makes a measurable difference, but it's not like I'm putting myself out to do it. I'd love to test the topic of a varied diet some day with an isolated strain.
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Weight?
A lot.
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: jbaby007]
#21819399 - 06/17/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you for sharing. Just seeing your success is inspiring.
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TheEaglesGift
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Some people can get great penis flushes without casing, but I was never one of them. I think it's dependent on genetics, considering a close buddy of mine(uncle_rico) get's AWESOME flushes without casing.
I have to thank a few folks(and killer cultivators) for helping me crack my blob problem: Pasty, Cron, Azur, Muda, Frank among some others. I spent over a year trying to really figure it out and these people all were a huge help.
This post shined a lot of light on the blob issue: Casing layer reduces PE blobs
So did this post: TheChief's Penis Jungle: Tribal Grow-A-Long
Hell, the organic Jiffy seed starting mix I used was sent to me by Azur. Thanks brother. I've yet to use the horse shit yet, but I've got tons of grain colonizing right now. Soon.
Edited by TheEaglesGift (06/17/15 05:10 PM)
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beautiful teg!
ive never had blobs form on cased or uncased. but i have older genetics from back in the day. do you think the jiffy mix has any significance on yield?
have you attempted other casing layers?
i actually recently consolidated my first bulk tub of APE and all my fruits turned stubby and bulbous. i sometimes wonder, you have a bunch of different people working off of a nice clone. but get such mixed results. what is it different that they are all doing?
im thinking two variables. horse shit and jiffy mix might be beneficial. What subs does uncle rico use? ill have to look back through his threads.
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: eatyualive]
#21820237 - 06/17/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Uncle rico fruits his tubs outside if I'm not mistaken.
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21820249 - 06/17/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes he does. but im wondering what magic is in the substrate with uncased tubs. hehe..
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: Couperj]
#21820350 - 06/17/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: Big Bear]
#21820593 - 06/17/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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beautiful teg!
Thanks brother. You're one of the main reasons I got into monos when I started. I saw your pics and was all..."I am doing that.. I will do that some day."
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ive never had blobs form on cased or uncased. but i have older genetics from back in the day.
Then cherish your genetics man, cause the shit circulating from vendors these days is a finicky bitch.
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do you think the jiffy mix has any significance on yield?
Hard to say. Jiffy mix certainly has an effect on yields with this PE culture, because if I don't case it deep then all I get are about .5 ounce dry of impossible to harvest blobs. If I harvest, the sub gets so torn up that a good 2nd flush is impossible. If I don't harvest the blobs they rot and get pink mold. So for my PE, and a lot of the PE going around, casing with jiffy mix certainly benefits yield in a positive way.
Yours may or may not benefit. Why not crack them out and run some tubs with and without? And hey, if you want to send me some Penis I wouldn't be opposed. I've been collecting as many different PE spores from the boards as I could. I plan on growing them all out.
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have you attempted other casing layers?
Nope. I never used to case my tubs. Only reason I got into it was in an attempt to stop blobs. I've found I actually like to case my non-PE tubs as well.
I plan to try out casing with straight verm and coir/verm to see if I can get similar blobless results with this clone.
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i sometimes wonder, you have a bunch of different people working off of a nice clone. but get such mixed results. what is it different that they are all doing?
I spend a lot of time wondering about exactly this. I'll be growing cultures from Azur and uncle_rico. I'll be growing out Azur's PE identical to his, even with some horse shit he sent me, and then another tub side by side with my substrate style. I'm curious to see the differences.
I'm pretty damn certain things like substrate ingredients and casing layers will alter the way a culture grows. I've seen it in my own cultures over the years. Why is this? No clue. I'm just a cultivator, not a scientist.
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What subs does uncle rico use?
Coir/horse poo/verm/gypsum I believe. I sent him a link to this thread, so when he logs on I'm sure he'll come by and chime in.
He even mentioned to me that he noticed cultures performing differently depending on which elevation they were grown in, in regards to spore production. Crazy stuff! I love this hobby so dearly.
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i use verm/coir at a 50/50 ratio with a dash of gypsum. it works really well. i highly suggest it.
that is interesting. hope rico chimes in. ive actually got another grow log i need to show him soon!
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: eatyualive]
#21820683 - 06/17/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i use verm/coir at a 50/50 ratio with a dash of gypsum. it works really well. i highly suggest it.
For your casing layer? I have no doubt that this casing layer works awesome, I just don't know if it would actually prevent blobs in a PE that is prone to blobbing.
If you ever make a vendor order, you should get some of the new PE stock and see what you can do with it- or I can send you a swab from my grow. I can guarantee you that it is MORE than willing to blob out, if conditions aren't right.
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: shellzenone]
#21820712 - 06/17/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes coir/verm 50/50 ratio with gypsum as casing. ive used that since 2001. well i only tried the coir/verm with APE and it did not blob out. it did produce stubbies. i can link you if you want.
i like this statement here
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: eatyualive]
#21820739 - 06/17/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sure man, post a link. I, and I'm sure others, love to see it.
I don't care what gets posted in this thread, especially if it's penis envy related.
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eatyualive
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ha just noticed your post above this one. this was the cased tub that was consolidated and ended up stubbing out.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21279700#21279700
ive got a ton of ape liquid culture right now so ill be throwing down on that thread fairly soon.
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: eatyualive]
#21820767 - 06/17/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like when APE are larger/longer. Seems that most of the time they're smaller/stubby though.
I like growing PEU. They're pretty damn cool looking. Wish I'd taken pictures of them when I grew them. It was years back before I was into cloning/culturing, and I couldn't print them so I lost them.
I'll have to get some more APE/PEU soon. They're awesome varieties/strains.
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agreed PEU is my favorite. it gets massive easily and i feel its easier than regular PE. ill pm you some peu pics.
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: eatyualive]
#21820903 - 06/17/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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My PEU tub is in fruiting right now. Hopefully I can get some swabs.
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: Grey]
#21820943 - 06/17/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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As much as I liked growing PEU, I feel PE classic is king.
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: Mushroom_J]
#21821146 - 06/17/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I got the same jiffy mix at my local walmart for 2.69. I am gonna go back and get a few more, they seem to really enjoy it. I do add verm to my jiffy though.
Great flush, how big was the tub? What weight did it pull? It looks like 700-1000g wet.
Edited by MikeBearPig (06/17/15 10:14 PM)
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21821182 - 06/17/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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how big was the tub?
66 quart sterilite.
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What weight did it pull? It looks like 700-1000g wet.
A little more than that, chief.
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how big was the tub?
66 quart sterilite.
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What weight did it pull? It looks like 700-1000g wet.
A little more than that, chief. 
The pictures are a bit misleading. It looks like a smaller tub.
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TheEaglesGift feels PE classic is king.
after that awesome tub,
I feel TheEaglesGift is KING!
very nice, my friend.
   
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: uncle_rico]
#21821240 - 06/17/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hell yea that is how it's done! Dense ass fruits!
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TheEaglesGift said: PENIS ENVY CLONE
6 quarts of oat/wbs/coffee spawned to 1 brick of coir, 2 quarts of verm, 1/4 quart gypsum, 5 quarts water. Cased with 50/50+(with gypsum added) after a consolidation period. Fruited at 30 percent casing layer colonization:
   
     
Some weird mutants. One actually looks like a penis, frenum and all:
 
Swabs:

I was constantly getting full blob flushes unstill I started casing with 2 quarts of 50/50+. The blob tubs looked like this:
 
The clone that this grow came from, actually came from one of the few normal fruits that this blob tub put out. I believe had I cased the ms tub that blobbed, it wouldn't have blobbed, at least not to the extent of 100 percent blobs. Far from it. Moral of the story, consolidate and case your Penis Envy tubs.
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: ICEMANOO9]
#21821332 - 06/17/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Aloha friends,
I have never had blobs. Perhaps it was merely luck. genetic luck of the draw.
My substrate does contain horse manure. approx. 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 : Coir, Horse manure, Vermiculite. + a couple handfuls of gypsum. although, I ran out of gypsum and put together my last tub without and it is doing better than ever. maybe the calcium and sulfur were inhibiting myc. growth somehow.? maybe the culture is responding to a dietary change.?
I pasteurize with solar hot water. It comes off the roof hotter than hell.
 so my substrate is leeched somewhat.
Spawn ratios are equivalent to everyone ... 4 very full qts. in a 70 qt. tub.
Monotubs outside in the shade to take advantage of the constant mild temperatures and breeze. I love the absence of extension cords and 'equipment' around the grow. passive, natural neglect.
Killer PE threads always bring me out of the woodwork.
+ awesome to see TEG hitting it out of the park
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: uncle_rico]
#21821445 - 06/17/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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+ awesome to see TEG hitting it out of the park
Thanks brother. Couldn't do it without the great growers who keep this place alive.

Ay... look familiar?
I've got tons of PE in the works, from different sources. More coming soon.
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Yes! it looks familiar, you maniac.
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Re: Penis Envy clone monotub [Re: uncle_rico]
#21821582 - 06/18/15 12:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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