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InvisibleTheEaglesGift
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Re: Using sponges as substrate? [Re: Aero]
    #21824138 - 06/18/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Aero said:
antibacterial would actually do you good, you are trying to grow fungi not bacteria




Eh, hard to say for sure what the manufacturer means by "antibacterial". May or may not be detrimental to mycelium germination/growth.


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Re: Using sponges as substrate? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21824154 - 06/18/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:This Thread:lol:

Nothing wrong with an experiment though, curious to see if it works at all.


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OfflineMushroom_J
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Re: Using sponges as substrate? [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #21824223 - 06/18/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

asbestos in verm lol.


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InvisibleTheEaglesGift
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Re: Using sponges as substrate? [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21826574 - 06/19/15 02:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

For the record to everyone, asbestos is perfectly safe to eat, just not to breathe in.


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Re: Using sponges as substrate? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21830329 - 06/19/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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TheEaglesGift said:
For the record to everyone, asbestos is perfectly safe to eat, just not to breathe in.



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Evidence suggests that cancers in the esophagus, larynx, oral cavity, stomach, colon and kidney may be caused by ingesting asbestos.




http://oregonstate.edu/ehs/asb-when


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InvisibleTheEaglesGift
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Re: Using sponges as substrate? [Re: ShroominMe]
    #21830494 - 06/19/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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ShroominMe said:
Quote:

TheEaglesGift said:
For the record to everyone, asbestos is perfectly safe to eat, just not to breathe in.



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Evidence suggests that cancers in the esophagus, larynx, oral cavity, stomach, colon and kidney may be caused by ingesting asbestos.




http://oregonstate.edu/ehs/asb-when




CONCLUSIONS
Although asbestos is a known human carcinogen by the inhalation route, available epidemiological studies do not support the hypothesis that an increased cancer risk is associated with the ingestion of asbestos in
drinking-water. Moreover, in extensive feeding studies in animals, asbestos has not consistently increased the incidence of tumours of the
gastrointestinal tract. There is therefore no consistent, convincing evidence that ingested asbestos is hazardous to health, and it is concluded that there is no need to establish a guideline for asbestos in drinking-water.

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/asbestos.pdf


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InvisibleNumeroEno
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Re: Using sponges as substrate? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21830526 - 06/19/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Damn. All this extra work and decreased yield just to avoid the slight possibility of verm containing a toxic level of asbestos.

No thank you. I'll continue using my PC'd grain spawn, horse manure, and vermiculite.


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Re: Using sponges as substrate? [Re: NumeroEno]
    #21832781 - 06/20/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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NumeroEno said:
Damn. All this extra work and decreased yield just to avoid the slight possibility of verm containing a toxic level of asbestos.

No thank you. I'll continue using my PC'd grain spawn, horse manure, and vermiculite.




>implying I have a pressure cooker

Instead I'm using fractional sterilization since I'm paranoid about buying a pressure cooker and getting on a watch list. And they're expensive. In any case, I'd rather be safer and just avoid the possibility of asbestos near anything I'm dealing with.

General update for the thread: nothing to see as of now. I'm guessing it is either too wet or the sponges had something in them. Regardless, I'll leave it be for another few days before ruling it out...


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Re: Using sponges as substrate? [Re: The Medic]
    #21832958 - 06/20/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You probably got yourself on a watch list saying your avoiding one.  :tinfoil:

I still hope this works out for you.


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Re: Using sponges as substrate? [Re: The Medic]
    #21833196 - 06/20/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

lol no, I didn't imply you have a pressure cooker. You can do PF cakes just fine without one. And why on earth would buying a pressure cooker get you on a watch list? For the many legitimate uses they have, there are very few illicit uses. Millions of people use pressure cookers every day for rapidly preparing a meal or canning and preserving foods. That's like saying you'd get put on a watch list for buying one pack of sudafed.


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What shall we say, shall we call it by a name
As well to count the angels dancing on a pin
Water bright as the sky from which it came
And the name is on the earth that takes it in

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Re: Using sponges as substrate? [Re: NumeroEno]
    #21834919 - 06/21/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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NumeroEno said:
lol no, I didn't imply you have a pressure cooker. You can do PF cakes just fine without one. And why on earth would buying a pressure cooker get you on a watch list? For the many legitimate uses they have, there are very few illicit uses. Millions of people use pressure cookers every day for rapidly preparing a meal or canning and preserving foods. That's like saying you'd get put on a watch list for buying one pack of sudafed.




^^^ what he said- and if you are really still worried about it- I bought mine, cash, $80 at a locally owned Asian grocer.


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Re: Using sponges as substrate? [Re: The Medic]
    #21844344 - 06/23/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

LOL you're trying to avoid asbestos [which has obviously not been proven to cause cancer by ingestion, only inhalation] and even then, only in cases of significant exposure..

But you're down with all the Synthetic chemicals and dyes used in those fake sponges? hahaha wow. If you were using natural sea sponges then your claim would have more legitimacy, but to me you just sound like a guy who couldn't find any vermiculite.

If you are that worried about shit then go find some mushrooms in the wild. But then you run the risk of eating a poisonous one or ingesting some sort of unknown organisms out in the wild.

I guess you gotta cut your losses, I'm no expert but I really don't see how those sponges could be safer than a little bit of asbestos, in fact it is my opinion that it could be more dangerous.

Anyways, I'm not criticizing your project as it does sound interesting and potentially might work but you shouldn't be bashing vermiculite while promoting fake sponges, doesnt really make sense


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