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Offlinejustcaapi
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Brew with just caapi?
    #21817039 - 06/16/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What kind of experiences can one expect if they drink about 50 grams of B Caapi brew?  Iv'e read that Caapi is the main teacher in the Ayahuasca brew and the Dmt just lights up the visions, and also vise versa. I like smoking caapi leaves and drinking tea from about 5-10 grams of leaf/vine, but i have never taken an Ayahuasca level brew of Caapi. I made a 50 gram brew earlier today and am contemplating on taking the whole thing.   

Anyone drink Caapi only brews, is it worth it or just a waste of material?  I'm not expecting full blow visions or anything, but i want to see if it's worthy of journeying with by itself as a teacher plant, so that i don't have to break the law.


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Re: Brew with just caapi? [Re: justcaapi] * 1
    #21817068 - 06/16/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

https://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Banisteriopsis_caapi.shtml


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Iv'e read that Caapi is the main teacher in the Ayahuasca brew and the Dmt just lights up the visions, and also vise versa.




DMT doesn't work when swallowed unless a beta-carboline (i.e. B. caapi) is co-ingested because it otherwise gets destroyed in the intestines. In my opinion, the indigenous people didn't have a right to label B. caapi as the main thing if they never tried isolated DMT. And I'm curious to know how often B. caapi alone was used among the indigenous even when DMT was available.


Ralph Metzner is dismissive of this idea:

The name ayahuasca is from Quechua, a South American Indian language: huasca means “vine” or “liana” and aya means “souls” or “dead people” or “spirits.” Thus “vine of the dead,” “vine of the souls,” or “vine of the spirits” would all be appropriate English translations. It is however slightly misleading as a name, since the vine Banisteriopsis caapi is only one of two essential ingredients in the hallucinogenic brew...

The Ayahuasca Experience: A Sourcebook on the Sacred Vine of Spirits. Ralph Metzner (editor). 2014. Introduction.


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Re: Brew with just caapi? [Re: s240779]
    #21817148 - 06/16/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I believe many indigenous shamans call Banisteriopsis Caapi itself Ayahuasca, but there seems to be many different definitions of Ayahausca. I wonder the same the thing.  Well i drank about half of the coffee cup of Caapi brew and feel some relaxation and like sedation coming on, it's actually kinda nice. Going to finish it off and report back.


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Re: Brew with just caapi? [Re: justcaapi]
    #21817231 - 06/16/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'd say taking cappi alone is quite nice, sort of like being stoned but not really. I like drinking low dose rue teas myself now that I can't get cappi, it is very calming an having a nice herbal tea after it starts to work feels borderline orgasmic. I also have smoked cannabis with rue teas a few times, for me it makes the high more bodily then mental and if you like meditating I'd say do this if you drink the cappi alone.

Though I have to say nothing really compares to a full blown oral DMT trip, it is just something else an I can see why some people become delusional after it. The hallucinations are just so vivid that I would even bet that a profound athiest drinking it would atleast make them accept that there are just some unexplainable phenomenon in this world (but I don't think it could make someone believe in God per se, hell I don't even believe in God but perhaps higher beings)


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Re: Brew with just caapi? [Re: newageshaman]
    #21817818 - 06/17/15 05:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Harmalas are a serious psychedelic by themselves, in low doses its just a mellow antidepressant, but with 5-10g rue it fucks you up pretty good
I only tried higher doses a couple of times, mainly because rue tea is seriously nasty, but to me it always felt like being really really drunk while maintaining a totally clear mind
mainly audio hallucinations and loss of equilibrium

Definately worth a shot, but next time i try this ill make sure to either use extracted harmalas or atleast clean the tea with some egg white to reduce the taste and nausea


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Re: Brew with just caapi? [Re: justcaapi]
    #21818530 - 06/17/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's plain old nasty and I feel nauseas just trying to get it down. I brewed a strong batch using a Soxhlet extractor and felt like I was seriously drunk, had trouble walking without stumbling and basically had to lie down through it. In small weak doses I would imagine it's relaxing as it is an  anti depressant . Makes me feel well happy anyway.


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Re: Brew with just caapi? [Re: Kingcannon]
    #21818559 - 06/17/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I drank some caapi extract that was the equivalent of 100 g of alkaloids before downing some chacruna tea.

It was very f'ed up and made me feel quite uneasy. It felt like some kind of very confusing drunken psychedelia.

I was more than ready to drink the chacruna tea down just to change the way I was feeling.

It was interesting but I did not expect so much from it.


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Re: Brew with just caapi? [Re: lurkmode]
    #21819010 - 06/17/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've drank 50g of Caapi by itself.  I wanted to familiarize myself with the vine alone.

I don't regret doing it but I haven't repeated it as I find I get more out of it when I add some ACRB.


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Re: Brew with just caapi? [Re: newageshaman]
    #21819473 - 06/17/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'd say taking cappi alone is quite nice, sort of like being stoned but not really. I like drinking low dose rue teas myself now that I can't get cappi, it is very calming an having a nice herbal tea after it starts to work feels borderline orgasmic. I also have smoked cannabis with rue teas a few times, for me it makes the high more bodily then mental and if you like meditating I'd say do this if you drink the cappi alone.




It is very nice, i didn't feel anything psychedelic last night, but it was very calming and very anti-depressive, especially today. My quality of sleep was pretty awesome and the dreams i had last night were very vivid. The detoxifying properties are pretty amazing too, there was no purge but i feel cleaned out today.  I may start taking high doses of Caapi only brews every week just to keep my depression and anxiety at bay. 

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Though I have to say nothing really compares to a full blown oral DMT trip, it is just something else an I can see why some people become delusional after it. The hallucinations are just so vivid that I would even bet that a profound athiest drinking it would atleast make them accept that there are just some unexplainable phenomenon in this world (but I don't think it could make someone believe in God per se, hell I don't even believe in God but perhaps higher beings)




Have you seen anyone first hand become delusional after taking oral DMT? That's interesting, because like Terence Mckenna once said "there is nothing in Ayahuasca that isn't ordinary to normal brain chemistry." or something along those lines.  I wonder if those people just took too large a dose of DMT.  I want to try out a gram or so of ACRB just to see if i'm compatible with DMT, it scares me though.


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Re: Brew with just caapi? [Re: lurkmode]
    #21819489 - 06/17/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I drank some caapi extract that was the equivalent of 100 g of alkaloids before downing some chacruna tea.

It was very f'ed up and made me feel quite uneasy. It felt like some kind of very confusing drunken psychedelia.

I was more than ready to drink the chacruna tea down just to change the way I was feeling.

It was interesting but I did not expect so much from it.




Hmm maybe i need to take more, i didn't feel any confusing drunken psychedelia.  How did it go after you drank the chacruna tea?


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Re: Brew with just caapi? [Re: thoraxx]
    #21819505 - 06/17/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Harmalas are a serious psychedelic by themselves, in low doses its just a mellow antidepressant, but with 5-10g rue it fucks you up pretty good
I only tried higher doses a couple of times, mainly because rue tea is seriously nasty, but to me it always felt like being really really drunk while maintaining a totally clear mind
mainly audio hallucinations and loss of equilibrium

Definately worth a shot, but next time i try this ill make sure to either use extracted harmalas or atleast clean the tea with some egg white to reduce the taste and nausea




I'd like to try some rue too, is it stronger than Caapi in your experience?  I actually like the taste of Caapi leaf tea but the vine is serious business trying to drink it down, i imagine rue is even worse.


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Re: Brew with just caapi? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21819516 - 06/17/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I've drank 50g of Caapi by itself.  I wanted to familiarize myself with the vine alone.

I don't regret doing it but I haven't repeated it as I find I get more out of it when I add some ACRB.




That's good to know, thinking about adding a gram or so to a brew sometime soon to get a feel for DMT.  But i don't know.  DMT is intimidating.


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Re: Brew with just caapi? [Re: Kingcannon]
    #21819542 - 06/17/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It's plain old nasty and I feel nauseas just trying to get it down. I brewed a strong batch using a Soxhlet extractor and felt like I was seriously drunk, had trouble walking without stumbling and basically had to lie down through it. In small weak doses I would imagine it's relaxing as it is an  anti depressant . Makes me feel well happy anyway.




It is very nasty and bitter as all get out, the brew i made was so thick.  It does seem to work well as an anti depressant, i feel really good today and the mind chatter that is usually present when i wake up was gone.  Maybe i have a high tolerance to harmalas, i didn't feel any drunkeness or anything, it was just instantly relaxing and almost meditative without having to meditate if that makes sense.  No nausea or purging happened.


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Re: Brew with just caapi? [Re: justcaapi]
    #21819603 - 06/17/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'd like to try some rue too, is it stronger than Caapi in your experience?  I actually like the taste of Caapi leaf tea but the vine is serious business trying to drink it down, i imagine rue is even worse.




Well its much more potent by weight, the effect is a little different
Most people say rue is rougher overall, personally i havent tried caapi on its own because i find it too expensive and precious to experiment with

I havent tried caapi at all so far, but i have a single 100g piece im saving for my first real aya experience

Rue is dirt cheap tho and making a tea is as easy as stuffing it in a bag (+dealing with the taste)
Extracting rue is pretty easy too, you might wanna consider that to eliminate the taste and alot of the nausea
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Maybe i have a high tolerance to harmalas, i didn't feel any drunkeness or anything, it was just instantly relaxing and almost meditative without having to meditate if that makes sense.  No nausea or purging happened.




How much did you take?

The serious trip and purge from harmalas only sets in at very high doses, with caapi propably 100g++
(assuming here, typical MAOI dose is 2-3g rue or 50g caapi and with rue it gets crazy at 5-10g)
But like i said using caapi for those kinda experiments seems wasteful to me


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Re: Brew with just caapi? [Re: thoraxx]
    #21819843 - 06/17/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I would say the Harmalas themselves whether Caapi or Rue definitely act more as a teacher. The DMT in the mix certainly adds awesome qualities to it and definitely is part of an Ayahuasca brew, but just by smoking the Rue extract on top of Cannabis, i've experienced several aspects of Ayahuasca from just the Rue by itself, and it felt like the same space that the teachings come from, so while DMT can offer teachings, the teachings from Ayahuasca come from the Harmalas IMO.

I'd say give it a try and work with just the Harmalas for awhile. I was given the same advice sometime back, and i'm glad i listened and got around to it. Rue has always helped me in some way, DMT just juices up the experience and adds some oomph to it, but the healing and such, that comes from the Harmalas i do believe.


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Re: Brew with just caapi? [Re: justcaapi]
    #21822709 - 06/18/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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lurkmode said:
I drank some caapi extract that was the equivalent of 100 g of alkaloids before downing some chacruna tea.

It was very f'ed up and made me feel quite uneasy. It felt like some kind of very confusing drunken psychedelia.

I was more than ready to drink the chacruna tea down just to change the way I was feeling.

It was interesting but I did not expect so much from it.




Hmm maybe i need to take more, i didn't feel any confusing drunken psychedelia.  How did it go after you drank the chacruna tea?




Once the dmt got going it was quite the experience. It made things trippier and maybe even a bit darker than when I've used rue. OEVs were quite strange like one time when a malevolent looking woman covered in hair appeared out of nowhere and it was like I was zooming in on her hairy back. Sounds a little dark huh?

Anyway, when it was just the caapi there was like a neon green auro on things, I could barely walk straight and I felt like there was some force millions of miles away controlling my body. Beyond disorientation there were auditory hallucinations like the sound of hitting a pvc pipe 100 times a second and it was hard to pick out where sounds were coming from. My cat knocked something into the floor and it sounded like it came from about 20 feet away from where it actually happened.

This was all before I drank the chacruna! It was an extract from a popular EU vendor here and while it was the equivalent of 100 grams of caapi alkaloids I would think it would be more like making a brew out of about 120 grams.

I'm sure it was too much and I learned my lesson but I'm also not unhappy about it - quite the opposite. It was very interesting, beautiful, playful at times and I feel like I got some really relevant self-examination out of the experience.


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Re: Brew with just caapi? [Re: lurkmode]
    #21825201 - 06/18/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's sounds like a very bizarre experience, did you try to spiritually shave the malevolent women's back? i would have. That's good to know that you got something out of Caapi by itself.  I'm gonna make a brew with 100 grams this time.


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Re: Brew with just caapi? [Re: justcaapi]
    #21827060 - 06/19/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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That's sounds like a very bizarre experience, did you try to spiritually shave the malevolent women's back? i would have. That's good to know that you got something out of Caapi by itself.  I'm gonna make a brew with 100 grams this time.




i was just pretty weirded out the whole time. Totes wtf kinda shit

she needed a good shaving tho.

as for making caapi brews ... I've never had much luck with it and that's why I got ahold of some of the extract. it blew my shit out of the water.


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