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akira_akuma
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that wasn't a chat.
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zappaisgod
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zappaisgod said: I never got that from them. I knew myself and I knew my world and they were just giggles and art. Every insight somebody has every expressed he got from tripping my reaction was "fucking Duh, that is a tad bit obvious Sherlock." Every fucking time. Not one person has ever in my life presented a truly useful revelation from drugs except that they shouldn't do them. Not once and I've been around a long time and have known a lot of people who have tripped a lot of times. Not one person. Here is what you get from hallucinogens. A sore face from smiling for 6 hours. Which is ample justification in my mind.
But if they provide no particular insight that you cannot get from anything else tnen why do you take them (psychedelics)? Why are you so active in the community if psychedelics are just a kind of drug that you like to get high on? I like to get drunk but i don't have 60,000 posts on a beer forum.
No drug provides insight. That includes beer. I am active in the community mostly because of the political debate and general camaraderie. That is the primary reason why I am here. You don't see me posting about tripping much. This is probably the first thread I made about it. They are just fun to me and always have been for the reasons I have elucidated. Psychotics may have other reasons.
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musiclover420
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I am glad I gave up on this thread pages ago 
looks like it is exactly where it left off.
Zappa, how can you say drugs are just for fun? They obviously have tremendous potential for psychiatry and oter mind related matters, why?
Because of their profound effects on the brain. Why do you think people have been wanting to study them since their discovery?
If they were "just for fun" like you claim then why would we be looking into their potential to treat addiction, depression, and over all help people make profound life changing decisions. Becouse they are powerful tools, anything can be a tool if used as one. You claim knowledge gained on psychedelics is moot becouse it was gained on a drug...
Well guess what, the brain is constantly on "drugs" They are called chemicals that make up brain chemistry, why is it so hard for you to admit that altering your brain chemistry might allow people to learn new things/ or learn in different ways. You act like you know and decide everything about psychs "I use them just for fun so that is all they can be used for" that is basically the attitude you seem to have, any other possibility is out of the question.
You don't seem very humble for almost being 60...
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Trichome_Delta9


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all we know is infinite. we are in the infinite. ```````````````````````````````````
peace out bill! ```````````````` zappa everyone is crazy. the sooner you realize that the easier life will be.
but I do understand how holding oneself above others is a good feeling so you can do that if you please.
to each their own.
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akira_akuma
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looks like it is exactly where it left off.
why do you presume that any of Bill's or your post's would actually bring it somewhere any newer, better, or different, when it's your insufferable pandering that's making the thread stay where it is? you folks lost?
lets go somewhere

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Zappa, how can you say drugs are just for fun? They obviously have tremendous potential for psychiatry and oter mind related matters, why?
Because of their profound effects on the brain. Why do you think people have been wanting to study them since their discovery?
If they were "just for fun" like you claim then why would we be looking into their potential to treat addiction, depression, and over all help people make profound life changing decisions. Becouse they are powerful tools, anything can be a tool if used as one. You claim knowledge gained on psychedelics is moot becouse it was gained on a drug...
PS: yeah, it's a tool used by doctor's to treat people with insanity, to understand it better. are you insane? and BTW, Zappa already clarified this, that he and Bill trip different and he sees them as inherently just for fun, and he thinks that anyone who thinks they contain revelation's in and of themselves, are probably insane; probably because they are using a "tool" that doctor's would use help psychiatric patients, i would assume.
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Trichome_Delta9


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looks like it is exactly where it left off.
why do you presume that any of Bill's or your post's would actually bring it somewhere any newer, better, or different, when it's your insufferable pandering that's making the thread stay where it is? you folks lost?
didn't see my name in there woohoo
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zappaisgod
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I am not humble. I have already copped to being an arrogant asshole. I use drugs for fun. Other people may need drugs for normalization purposes. That aint me. I do not have cluster headaches or anxiety attacks or any other bullshit. It is what it is. Bill was committed for psychosis. That is not something I ever had. I've never had to go to rehab, either. These fuckups should not be projecting their failures on me.
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akira_akuma
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didn't see my name in there woohoo 
well, you're not insufferable. you are pandering, but you're not pandering to me, at least.
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These fuckups should not be projecting their failures on me
that is exactly what they are doing.
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musiclover420
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I haven't even posted in this thread in several pages 
Look, more of the "Im better than you attitude" that you and Zappa have been filling this thread up with 
I would say it is that attitude and your stubbornness keeping this from being a productive discussion on beliefs...
Hmm Pandering : "gratify or indulge (an immoral or distasteful desire, need, or habit or a person with such a desire, etc.)."
Seems like you and zappa are the ones pandering about as if you know everything...
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These fuckups should not be projecting their failures on me.
If anything you are projecting you "perfection" onto others, we have just been trying to get you to admit psychs actually have real uses besides recreation.
You are the one with the "I am right, you are wrong" attitude... Clearly you are not humble.
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akira_akuma
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dude, you keep on trying to argue with thin air. there is no problem here but you guys trying to get on Zappa's lopsided balls.
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zappaisgod
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musiclover420 said: we have just been trying to get you to admit psychs actually have real uses besides recreation.
Not to me they don't. Do you know what else? At no point in my life was I ever prescribed anything other than an antibiotic or a pain pillQuote:
You are the one with the "I am right, you are wrong" attitude... Clearly you are not humble.
I'm not. I already copped to being an arrogant asshole.
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zappaisgod
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akira_akuma said: dude, you keep on trying to argue with thin air. there is no problem here but you guys trying to get on Zappa's lopsided balls.
They are perfectly symmetrical. More humility
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akira_akuma
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everybody's balls are lopsided!1 FACT.
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zappaisgod
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Not mine. They are perfectly symmetrical because I am an arrogant asshole.
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akira_akuma
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If anything you are projecting you "perfection" onto others, we have just been trying to get you to admit psychs actually have real uses besides recreation.
that's hugely funny, that you think that someone can exude so much perfection how can you project perfection? that's not insecurity. it's the antithesis of what can possibly be projected psychologically posing any consequences. to project perfection would be nothing but a good thing, wouldn't it? oh man... LOL
so basically, you're just... just "what" with his perfection.
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akira_akuma
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zappaisgod said: Not mine. They are perfectly symmetrical because I am an arrogant asshole.
oh well then fine, here: here's a hat for you then.
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Trichome_Delta9


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Zappa I hope you don't think im projecting on you at all. I said everyone is different and its cool you can have deep thought and realization without drugs. I just said it has helped me and many others, see things through a new perspective.
i actually admire zappas arrogance.
you guys should be a little more understanding though since your on this site yknow...
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zappaisgod
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I wish I could project my perfection on others.
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akira_akuma
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i know, really then they could get up and over those aforementioned balls too!
ballsack is a wicked metaphor here. don't judge me!
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Trichome_Delta9


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akira we cant find room on zappas bawls with you on them. get off already!
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