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zappaisgod
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zappaisgod said: I never got that from them. I knew myself and I knew my world and they were just giggles and art. Every insight somebody has every expressed he got from tripping my reaction was "fucking Duh, that is a tad bit obvious Sherlock." Every fucking time. Not one person has ever in my life presented a truly useful revelation from drugs except that they shouldn't do them. Not once and I've been around a long time and have known a lot of people who have tripped a lot of times. Not one person. Here is what you get from hallucinogens. A sore face from smiling for 6 hours. Which is ample justification in my mind.
zappa we already discussed that everyone is different and that some don't have to use psyches to open their minds they think like that on their own
and no disrespect but that seems very know-it-all like.
have you ever learned something before or did you already know everything the day you were born?
I'm 58 years old man. I've learned a lot. My point is that NONE of it came from drugs.
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akira_akuma
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some people just live life and never question a thing.
do you not know people like this?
those people are as enlightened as you can get. and i'll tell you why it's not the wanna-be shaman's. because the wanna-be shaman's are tainted.
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Bill_Oreilly
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Telling someone that tripped so much he ended up in a psych ward to trip more?
yeah ok..
and they are tools. you are wrong. They can be used as anything.
for fun, for enhancement, for psychological healing, for perspective changing...etc
to say "psychs are just for fun" is literally moronic. They be just fun FOR YOU(because you are not very smart) but they are not just fun for everyone. That's something that cannot be arguable.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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zappaisgod said: I never got that from them. I knew myself and I knew my world and they were just giggles and art. Every insight somebody has every expressed he got from tripping my reaction was "fucking Duh, that is a tad bit obvious Sherlock." Every fucking time. Not one person has ever in my life presented a truly useful revelation from drugs except that they shouldn't do them. Not once and I've been around a long time and have known a lot of people who have tripped a lot of times. Not one person. Here is what you get from hallucinogens. A sore face from smiling for 6 hours. Which is ample justification in my mind.
But if they provide no particular insight that you cannot get from anything else tnen why do you take them (psychedelics)? Why are you so active in the community if psychedelics are just a kind of drug that you like to get high on? I like to get drunk but i don't have 60,000 posts on a beer forum.
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Bill_Oreilly
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zappaisgod said: I never got that from them. I knew myself and I knew my world and they were just giggles and art. Every insight somebody has every expressed he got from tripping my reaction was "fucking Duh, that is a tad bit obvious Sherlock." Every fucking time. Not one person has ever in my life presented a truly useful revelation from drugs except that they shouldn't do them. Not once and I've been around a long time and have known a lot of people who have tripped a lot of times. Not one person. Here is what you get from hallucinogens. A sore face from smiling for 6 hours. Which is ample justification in my mind.
zappa we already discussed that everyone is different and that some don't have to use psyches to open their minds they think like that on their own
and no disrespect but that seems very know-it-all like.
have you ever learned something before or did you already know everything the day you were born?
I'm 58 years old man. I've learned a lot. My point is that NONE of it came from drugs.
just because you are 58 doesn't mean you learned a lot. that's the problem with old people nowadays...they think just because they cant get a boner anymore means they are wizards or something
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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zappa If you had never used drugs before I could believe you but....... yknow......
akira I see it as a different path, not a better path. those people are doing as they please in life and its no better or worse than those who seek knowledge through deep thinking.
enlightenment is a personal thing that each individual reaches many times in life. all that it means by definition is greater understanding on a subject.
technically you and zappa became enlightened on drugs because of drugs.
you guys seem to have this "higher power, better than others" attachment to that word.
no wonder you hate hippies...
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Bill_Oreilly
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technically you and zappa became enlightened on drugs because of drugs.
I made that same point earlier in the thread and they just ignored it...just like usual when they get owned.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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zappaisgod
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Bill_Oreilly said: Telling someone that tripped so much he ended up in a psych ward to trip more?
yeah ok..
and they are tools. you are wrong. They can be used as anything.
for fun, for enhancement, for psychological healing, for perspective changing...etc
to say "psychs are just for fun" is literally moronic. They be just fun FOR YOU(because you are not very smart) but they are not just fun for everyone. That's something that cannot be arguable.
I think that anybody who thinks they got some knowledge by getting high is a fucking idiot. Like I said I have tripped over a hundred times and been with people who have cumulatively tripped well more than that and none of my friends nor I think that any insight into anything was ever gained from being fucked up. Maybe for somebody who started off fucked up it might be useful in some fashion that I cannot relate to but I didn't hang out with fucked up people.
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zappaisgod
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Trichome_Delta9 said: zappa If you had never used drugs before I could believe you but....... yknow......
akira I see it as a different path, not a better path. those people are doing as they please in life and its no better or worse than those who seek knowledge through deep thinking.
enlightenment is a personal thing that each individual reaches many times in life. all that it means by definition is greater understanding on a subject.
technically you and zappa became enlightened on drugs because of drugs.
you guys seem to have this "higher power, better than others" attachment to that word.
no wonder you hate hippies...
I became educated about drugs.
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akira_akuma
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not because of drugs. because it's the natural state of things.
boy, you really need to brush up on your Buddhism and Hinduism if you wanna keep saying you understand what enlightenment means. i recommend it, it's VERY interesting stuff. Savitur would be really impressed if you'd stop wasting your time under it.
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Bill_Oreilly
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Looks like you are a fucking idiot then because you claim to have the knowledge that drugs don't give you knowledge.
ladies and gentleman..zappa just admitted he was an idiot
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akira_akuma
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technically you and zappa became enlightened on drugs because of drugs.
I made that same point earlier in the thread and they just ignored it...just like usual when they get owned.
LOL not ignored, but just posted on. maybe i missed you mentioning it, because it was ensconced in a bunch of trolly bullshit along with.
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Bill_Oreilly
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Bill_Oreilly said: Watch me own zappa...
How did you come up with the wisdom "there is no wisdom or revelation to be found in drugs?"
Drugs.
So yeah, you are a walking contradiction.
there ya go akira
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Trichome_Delta9


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Life is a personal experience and all of the insight I have gotten from psyches has been personal. not genius world changing insight like youre making it out to be it seems. No ONE is better than another. everything is subjective and nothing ACTUALLY matters.
they definitely give me an imagination I do not have sober that helps me visualize things differently and bring me to "enlightenment" though I don't like using that term because of how defensive people get when you use it.
also I go by definitions not by what a belief system believes a word to be.
I bet it is interesting stuff though.
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robbyberto
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Did you read my last post? I tend to agree with you on this matter, but I am interested in whatever answer you would give.
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akira_akuma
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lol, i clearly remember addressing that. what page was that quote from so i can show you my reply. i don't feel like looking through slews of pages.
fuck it. look i'll tell you again. you have to learn that there is no revelation from drugs by taking drugs. you can learn that on or off drugs, it doesn't matter which.
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Bill_Oreilly
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I think I know what happened to akira and zappa..
See, for God to work in your life, you MUST take the first step. Whether its in love, faith, or curiosity. You need to make that first step...you must be humble and openminded.
Zappa and akira are just a couple of skeptical people that hs refused to make that first step. This is why they are bitter..because God has refused to reveal himself to them because they are so hard-headed. God doesn't just give himself out like some hooker...you need to EARN a spot at his throne.
Im done here. I just want to say I truly feel bad for both of those guys because the will never get to experience "it". Maybe one day...but the path of skepticism and know-it-all attitudes they are on, im not sure if they will ever get there.
For now, I hope poking fun at other peoples experiences over a computer does their life justice, because I know it wouldn't for me 
Good luck fellas, and I mean that.
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Trichome_Delta9


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TBH bill I don't believe in a "god"
this is what I believe.
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akira_akuma
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actually i am my own God, so i don't know wtf you're talking about.
look, if you don't understand the concept of light, and energy, and all this other cosmic crap, then too bad for you. it's easy for me comprehend it on a finite level, and that's without drugs. on an infinite level? guess what, that isn't even hardly realizable. you can realize words. you can realize thoughts. but that's about as close as anyone can ever come to realizing the infinite. that's enlightening, realizing you CAN'T realize it.
so will just STFU already, Jesus. 
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because God has refused to reveal himself to them because they are so hard-headed.
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Bill_Oreilly
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That's fine...but I think its healthy to believe in something. If its just yourself, then that's MORE than good enough 
Nice chattin with ya Delta
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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