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i haven't even been using the Shroomery lately Bill, you rehab reject. get over your butthurt for me, and get back to calling me a genius for sharpening your psychedelic skills.
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zappaisgod
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He has no psychedelic skills. He thinks they teach him something. Twinkle toes probably would have collapsed in a puddle of tears and his own shit from what I took.
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make it stop! i ain't being taught anything THIS trip!!
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zappaisgod
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I never worry. Nice graem by the way. Where the fuck did you find that?
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learning comes from within. I think you guys are taking bills "psychedelics teach people" too seriously.
that or I am wrong and he really does think psyches are whats teaching people.
it all come from within, psyches can make it easier for some to access knowledge that has been buried deep in the mind.
that's what I think he is getting at and I agree with him.
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Bill_Oreilly
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Trichome_Delta9 said: learning comes from within. I think you guys are taking bills "psychedelics teach people" too seriously.
that or I am wrong and he really does think psyches are whats teaching people.
it all come from within, psyches can make it easier for some to access knowledge that has been buried deep in the mind.
that's what I think he is getting at and I agree with him.
Its funny, because I never ever said psychedelics teach you anything.
I said they can help one mature. They can help one realize bad habits and personality flaws and inspire one to change. I said they can help you perceive the world in a different way and put yourself in other peoples shoes and understand why they think the way they do.
Its a psychology tool. Not some damn calculator.
Psychedelics have showed me many visions, showed me a real UFO that can make it rain. It has helped me evolve spiritually.
But I admit, that's arguable. But what I said in the first paragraph is a fact.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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zappaisgod said: I never worry. Nice graem by the way. Where the fuck did you find that?
oh i just found it the first time myself. that's what i imagine Bill see's everytime he looks in the mirror on RC's.
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akira_akuma
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I said they can help one mature. They can help one realize bad habits and personality flaws and inspire one to change. I said they can help you perceive the world in a different way and put yourself in other peoples shoes and understand why they think the way they do.
Its a psychology tool. Not some damn calculator.
Psychedelics have showed me many visions, showed me a real UFO that can make it rain. It has helped me evolve spiritually.
it makes one realize their faults because they're fucking discombobulated from being unable to control what are their faults are; which is possible without psychedelics, you just gotta realize when you act like a complete shithead, and take note not to do it again.
and UFO'S certainly don't do anything especially when you are hallucinating them.
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I never got that from them. I knew myself and I knew my world and they were just giggles and art. Every insight somebody has every expressed he got from tripping my reaction was "fucking Duh, that is a tad bit obvious Sherlock." Every fucking time. Not one person has ever in my life presented a truly useful revelation from drugs except that they shouldn't do them. Not once and I've been around a long time and have known a lot of people who have tripped a lot of times. Not one person. Here is what you get from hallucinogens. A sore face from smiling for 6 hours. Which is ample justification in my mind.
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Trichome_Delta9 said: learning comes from within. I think you guys are taking bills "psychedelics teach people" too seriously.
that or I am wrong and he really does think psyches are whats teaching people.
it all come from within, psyches can make it easier for some to access knowledge that has been buried deep in the mind.
that's what I think he is getting at and I agree with him.
Its funny, because I never ever said psychedelics teach you anything.
I said they can help one mature. They can help one realize bad habits and personality flaws and inspire one to change. I said they can help you perceive the world in a different way and put yourself in other peoples shoes and understand why they think the way they do.
Its a psychology tool. Not some damn calculator.
Psychedelics have showed me many visions, showed me a real UFO that can make it rain. It has helped me evolve spiritually.
But I admit, that's arguable. But what I said in the first paragraph is a fact.
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No, psychs make you realize your faults because everyone has them, no matter who you are, and what psychedelics are, are tools. They were deemed "teaching spirits" by our ancestors. They can help you come to terms with your past, or they can help you want to change your future.
Psychedelics enter you into deep emotional states. In these states, changes can be made because inspiration is easier to achieve.
What psychedelics do, is, bring you to the control centers of the mind. That's why they are considered tools. They can be used for good or for bad...but nonetheless they are powerful and enhancement tools.
I don't see whats so hard to understand...
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Trichome_Delta9 said: learning comes from within. I think you guys are taking bills "psychedelics teach people" too seriously.
that or I am wrong and he really does think psyches are whats teaching people.
it all come from within, psyches can make it easier for some to access knowledge that has been buried deep in the mind.
that's what I think he is getting at and I agree with him.
Its funny, because I never ever said psychedelics teach you anything.
I said they can help one mature. They can help one realize bad habits and personality flaws and inspire one to change. I said they can help you perceive the world in a different way and put yourself in other peoples shoes and understand why they think the way they do.
Its a psychology tool. Not some damn calculator.
Psychedelics have showed me many visions, showed me a real UFO that can make it rain. It has helped me evolve spiritually.
But I admit, that's arguable. But what I said in the first paragraph is a fact.

Close-minded fool.
Smoke a breakthrough dose of DMT while on mushrooms and I bet my experience wont seem so laughable.
I know you are old as moses toes and twice as corny, but just try to smoke a breakthrough dose.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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akira_akuma
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i don't see what's so hard to understand either.
you know the last comment i was gonna make in this thread yesterday, but felt it came off as cheesy because it's something that everyone should probably already know by the time they reach their adult life...plus i was drunk and forgot until i went into bed and was like, welp, maybe tomorrow, and like now i just remembered...guess what...people's flaws and imperfections make them interesting.
there. we already know that though. (you seem to forget that though, Bill)
nothing new here.
in the past, seer's and shaman's were the people to use them as tools, and as tools they used them. not as enlightenment. but tools. Buddha maybe was enlightened...guess what...he never did any mushrooms. but those shaman's and seer's and oracle's...if it was anything that they were good at...it was conviiincciiinggg peeeeepoooole.
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Trichome_Delta9


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zappaisgod said: I never got that from them. I knew myself and I knew my world and they were just giggles and art. Every insight somebody has every expressed he got from tripping my reaction was "fucking Duh, that is a tad bit obvious Sherlock." Every fucking time. Not one person has ever in my life presented a truly useful revelation from drugs except that they shouldn't do them. Not once and I've been around a long time and have known a lot of people who have tripped a lot of times. Not one person. Here is what you get from hallucinogens. A sore face from smiling for 6 hours. Which is ample justification in my mind.
zappa we already discussed that everyone is different and that some don't have to use psyches to open their minds they think like that on their own
and no disrespect but that seems very know-it-all like.
have you ever learned something before or did you already know everything the day you were born?
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Bill_Oreilly
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So just because they weren't used for enlightenment and to see God that means they cant be used as such?
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zappaisgod
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Bill_Oreilly said: No, psychs make you realize your faults because everyone has them, no matter who you are, and what psychedelics are, are tools. They were deemed "teaching spirits" by our ancestors. They can help you come to terms with your past, or they can help you want to change your future.
Psychedelics enter you into deep emotional states. In these states, changes can be made because inspiration is easier to achieve.
What psychedelics do, is, bring you to the control centers of the mind. That's why they are considered tools. They can be used for good or for bad...but nonetheless they are powerful and enhancement tools.
I don't see whats so hard to understand...
What is hard to understand is how you can believe this nonsense They aren't tools or teachable spirits. "Control centers of the mind?" No. Like I said, you and I trip differently Why is that difficult for you to grok? Maybe you should trip more.
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Trichome_Delta9 said: learning comes from within. I think you guys are taking bills "psychedelics teach people" too seriously.
that or I am wrong and he really does think psyches are whats teaching people.
it all come from within, psyches can make it easier for some to access knowledge that has been buried deep in the mind.
that's what I think he is getting at and I agree with him.
Its funny, because I never ever said psychedelics teach you anything.
I said they can help one mature. They can help one realize bad habits and personality flaws and inspire one to change. I said they can help you perceive the world in a different way and put yourself in other peoples shoes and understand why they think the way they do.
Its a psychology tool. Not some damn calculator.
Psychedelics have showed me many visions, showed me a real UFO that can make it rain. It has helped me evolve spiritually.
But I admit, that's arguable. But what I said in the first paragraph is a fact.

Close-minded fool.
Smoke a breakthrough dose of DMT while on mushrooms and I bet my experience wont seem so laughable.
I know you are old as moses toes and twice as corny, but just try to smoke a breakthrough dose.
I have no source but I'm sure it wouldn't change my opinion that there is no wisdom in a molecule. And I took a heroic dose of mushrooms. Probably nothing you have even approximated in your life
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he's saying that those "mind exploding revelations" people tend to get on mushrooms are from callow vapid places and people with which there is nothing of worth.
i like Zappa's idea there of saying that when you trip you just get giggle's and art.
you see the world in a new way because your brain can't comprehend information anymore normally. it's certainly like art.
but it's nothing especially revelatory, when you realize people do this all the time without mushrooms.
it's a drug which can be used as a tool of getting high. not the philosopher's stone.
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akira_akuma
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Bill_Oreilly said: So just because they weren't used for enlightenment and to see God that means they cant be used as such?
precisely.
they can be used to imagine things.
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Trichome_Delta9


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yeah SOME people do this without psyches.
but not everyone...
some people just live life and never question a thing.
do you not know people like this?
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