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Malcolm_Xtasy
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Re: Should SWIM take 5 hits? [Re: 404]
#21820638 - 06/17/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i have had hits spectrometer tested by a friend
Still have the readings? I highly doubt this. What kind of spectroscopy?
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Re: Should SWIM take 5 hits? [Re: 404]
#21820666 - 06/17/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Zombi3 said: Because death isn't enough to worry about?
You could lose a limb from vasoconstriction.
Throw that trash away OP.
he's not taking ungodly amounts like you did, just five hits.
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Zombi3 said: How long does it last total?
Actually I don't care, the main point here is you said it has a taste. LSD is completely tasteless.
If it's bitter it's a spitter.
i have had hits spectrometer tested by a friend that had a taste, and come up for LSD. the reason they had a taste was from the ink on the paper itself. came up around 50ug
lsd itself won't have a taste, however it's possible for a hit to contain LSD and have a taste should it be on a printed tab.
5 hits of NBOMe is debateably an ungodly amount.
I find it hard to believe paper has any taste. Ive eaten countless blank blotter to disprove this theory, nothing has ever had a taste.
Theres a massive difference between 3 seconds of slightly salty taste from an LSD blotter touched by sweaty hands, and the god awful, mouth numbing, hour long, taste-bud shit fest you get from RC's
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Re: Should SWIM take 5 hits? [Re: Zombi3]
#21820687 - 06/17/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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one of my friends has done 15 hits in a night and has been completely fine. edit- it seems once you've taken a few and waited a bit, your receptors downregulate quickly in response (as is the reaction for most psychedelics given their similar pharmacokinetics) that's why tolerance builds so quickly to lsd and other psychedelics
I don't really go around making things up. i've seen the analysis report for the printed tabs that had a taste, the print was a red floral design, i've even posted about it in the recent LSD prints thread (last year i believe)
the spectrometer hit for another compound, the dye, which was likely the cause of the bitter taste as no other psychoactive chemical structure was present on the tab.
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Re: Should SWIM take 5 hits? [Re: 404]
#21820695 - 06/17/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just because your friend ate 15 tabs in one night does not make it a safe compound.
People have died frm as little as 1 hit.
When it comes to harm reduction with NBOMe products its best not to argue over semantics. The shit is dangerous.
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i have had hits spectrometer tested by a friend
Still have the readings? I highly doubt this. What kind of spectroscopy?
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i have had hits spectrometer tested by a friend
Still have the readings? I highly doubt this. What kind of spectroscopy?
Doubt me all you want, I don't go around making shit up like this. LC/MS. lost the specific read outs when i lost my USB drive as well as my hard drive.
in the mean time, here is the report from another set i got for someone else

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Zombi3 said: Just because your friend ate 15 tabs in one night does not make it a safe compound.
People have died frm as little as 1 hit.
When it comes to harm reduction with NBOMe products its best not to argue over semantics. The shit is dangerous.
you didn't read my whole post dude However, i did hit 'Continue' too quick as i hadn't finished typing one of my sentences out... still though
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people have gotten seiures however from two hits of 25b, story is somewhere on reddit. the gangrene you can get from phenethylamine psychedelics is somewhat rare if i'm not mistaken, and only really happens when someone heavily overdoses on them.
the nbome series probably should be avoided for the most part, i'll finally agree there.
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Re: Should SWIM take 5 hits? [Re: 404]
#21820825 - 06/17/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nice
A lot of people are full of shitQuote:
404 said:
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Malcolm_Xtasy said:
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i have had hits spectrometer tested by a friend
Still have the readings? I highly doubt this. What kind of spectroscopy?
Doubt me all you want, I don't go around making shit up like this. LC/MS. lost the specific read outs when i lost my USB drive as well as my hard drive. you're more than welcome to ask ___NOPE_______ here about them however.
in the mean time, here is the report from another set i got for someone else

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Zombi3 said: Just because your friend ate 15 tabs in one night does not make it a safe compound.
People have died frm as little as 1 hit.
When it comes to harm reduction with NBOMe products its best not to argue over semantics. The shit is dangerous.
you didn't read my whole post dude However, i did hit 'Continue' too quick as i hadn't finished typing one of my sentences out... still though
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people have gotten seiures however from two hits of 25b, story is somewhere on reddit. the gangrene you can get from phenethylamine psychedelics is somewhat rare if i'm not mistaken, and only really happens when someone heavily overdoses on them.
the nbome series probably should be avoided for the most part, i'll finally agree there.
Im confused by these readings. Its been awhile since I've read a mass spec? Did this test for molar mass, structure, or purity? Can you walk me through it?
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Edited by Malcolm_Xtasy (06/19/15 09:40 PM)
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I don't really fully understand all the readings myself, so i'm not much use. he explained all of this to me when he handed me the files, but i've forgotten most of what he said.
if you look at the bottom graph and see the large spike in the center, that is the machine reading a chemical structure, in this case, LSD.
on the reports i saw for the red floral design, there was a second spike, one that came up as a completely different molecular formula. i googled the formula and it came up as some kind of industrial dye.
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Re: Should SWIM take 5 hits? [Re: 404]
#21820892 - 06/17/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah I see the molecular weights are almost identical. Nice work man.. Sorry for being a dick. As a science major its hard for me to not call bullshit on people here claiming they know chemists and they spec'd this and that
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it's cool... i suppose that's the proper mindset to have, better to be skeptical of something than to foolishly agree with everything that comes across
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Re: Should SWIM take 5 hits? [Re: 404] 1
#21820946 - 06/17/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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At the very least 5 hits of any nbome would be horribly uncomfortable. I got LSD that was 25c/25i 3 years ago from a guy that usually has good LSD. I took 3 hits and tasted it and immediately knew i got NBOME because i had tried it before willingly.
I got horrible vasioconstiction. We had planned a hike that day...
My fucking friends didn't believe me when i said it wasn't LSD. they wanted to "stay positive" or whatever, it was annoying they wouldn't listen to me and instead started making fun of me. I didn't care that much except out of frustration that they wouldn't listen.
So we went on the hike...all our limbs swelled up like sausages, it sucked, we all had way too much blood in our hands and had to hold them up in the air to drain, it was gross and uncomfortable and we may have tripped balls but i felt my brain being fried and totally hated it and bitched out my dealer later and he felt aweful and hooked me up with good acid.
Oh..and at the worst you will have a seizure and die!
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Re: Should SWIM take 5 hits? [Re: Everything]
#21820957 - 06/17/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have some NBOME just as a novelty. I was considering trying it but after reading a little more I said ffuuuckkkkk thatttttt
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Yep I passed on the whole NBOMe thing. My friends tried it while I was booming, they were booming AS WELL but on a lower dose. They were on a completely different wavelength, and I had a hard time relating to them at all. They said the visuals were awesome, but they felt jaded and very uncomfortable during the experience.
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if you are prone to seizures, it would likely be a bad idea. i dunno.
also, the term "hit" is completely irrelevent here as it doesn't really properly quantify the dose. what's news to me, is i checked erowid not 15 minutes ago to learn that the molecules can be active in a range much much lower than what i had previously read...
as for vasoconstriction, i have had pretty uncomfortable vasoconstriction from LSD quite a number of times, you feel the veins in your body shrinking and opening in certain spots and can feel like the insides of your skin are crawly.
i've had a pretty bitchin' time on 25c. the handful of times i've tried it there was this total dissolving of any anxiety i had felt and some of the most peak happiest moments i've ever lived, going so far as to be more stimulating than LSD and far far more visually profound. i'm not advocating for the drug though, just poking at the notion that the mechanism by which the series causes these adverse reactions may not be fully well understood yet.
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Re: Should SWIM take 5 hits? [Re: 404]
#21821058 - 06/17/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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as for vasoconstriction, i have had pretty uncomfortable vasoconstriction from LSD quite a number of times.
wtf are you talking about... do you even LSD bro?
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Re: Should SWIM take 5 hits? [Re: rajajuju]
#21821138 - 06/17/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I get noticeable vasoconstriction on the comedown of LSD. It's not too uncomfortable, but can be if I pay attention to it.
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Re: Should SWIM take 5 hits? [Re: Achillita]
#21821166 - 06/17/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've never had that on LSD. Skin crawling you sure it was LSD dude?
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Re: Should SWIM take 5 hits? [Re: Achillita]
#21821193 - 06/17/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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as for vasoconstriction, i have had pretty uncomfortable vasoconstriction from LSD quite a number of times.
wtf are you talking about... do you even LSD bro?
LSD is pretty well known as a vasoconstrictor.
it's a potent agonist of the 5ht2a subtype receptor in the brain. among many other things, this receptor is responsible for affecting vasoconstriction and vasodilation. this is the mechanism of action that other serotonergic hallucinogens have on the body such as mushrooms and mescaline, and is likely the reason why these substances treat Cluster headaches and migraines.
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Achillita said: I get noticeable vasoconstriction on the comedown of LSD. It's not too uncomfortable, but can be if I pay attention to it.
have you ever tried taking magnesium and calcium to alleviate this?
also, yes. i am sure it was LSD as it was one of the hits that had be run through the mass spec. it contained roughly 50ug
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Re: Should SWIM take 5 hits? [Re: 404]
#21821206 - 06/17/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Now that I think about it I did have that on some wow back when I was just getting into lsd
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That's a little worrying since I play sports super hard on lsd. I've felt uncomfortable for sure but I would hate to swell up. I'd probably freak out.
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