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How much does our body affect who we are?
#21814491 - 06/16/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If all animals are pulled from the universal consciousness, there has to be some relation to how ones body affects who they are
monkeys act the same
tigers act the same
dogs act pretty similar
ants act the same
Were bugs potentially once people? Does the same soul apply?
And if these bodies do have an affect on our souls - if we learn from out experience as a flower and apply that to our overall understanding over everything, do we become more like that flower we once were?
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Re: How much does our body affect who we are? [Re: glimpee]
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Re: How much does our body affect who we are? [Re: Myopic.Skam]
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Myopic.Skam said: http://phys.org/news/2015-06-self-awareness-unique-mankind.html
I actually read that right before and am engaging in some reddit discussion about it
it was my inspiration for this post hehe
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Re: How much does our body affect who we are? [Re: glimpee]
#21815935 - 06/16/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Our body doesn't affect who we are, because our body is part of who we are. The division between body and soul only came about after Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit.
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Re: How much does our body affect who we are? [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said: Our body doesn't affect who we are, because our body is part of who we are. The division between body and soul only came about after Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit.
Well in terms of Christianity - right now is after Adam and Eve ate the apple
So I don't know what youre arguing. Seemingly contradictory sentences.
If youre saying that our body is part of who we are - then do we retain our body as we pass on? Does that body still affect us if we reincarnate into reality?
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Re: How much does our body affect who we are? [Re: glimpee]
#21817316 - 06/17/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Discredited though he may be on Wikipedia, I have read the major books by William Herbert Sheldon, and I stand by the bulk of his Constitutional Psychology including both somatotypes and corresponding temperaments. I'm probably a 2-3-5 Meso-Ectomorph myself. I've been aware of Sheldon's theories since introduced to them in high school in 1970 in my first psychology class, and his theories are second nature to my expectations about how people are and how they will tend to act and react, "by-and-large," as my high school sociology teacher used to say.
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Re: How much does our body affect who we are? [Re: glimpee]
#21818410 - 06/17/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's really funny as I read this article directly before heading over to the shroomery to see your post in recent.
The multiple pathways of finding information. We inversely mirrored the other!
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Re: How much does our body affect who we are? [Re: Myopic.Skam]
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Myopic.Skam said: That's really funny as I read this article directly before heading over to the shroomery to see your post in recent.
The multiple pathways of finding information. We inversely mirrored the other!
Legit shit like this is happening to me DAILY
like the universe is going "hey look, everythings connected!"
Making it hard not to believe in this connectivity haha
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MarkostheGnostic said: Discredited though he may be on Wikipedia, I have read the major books by William Herbert Sheldon, and I stand by the bulk of his Constitutional Psychology including both somatotypes and corresponding temperaments. I'm probably a 2-3-5 Meso-Ectomorph myself. I've been aware of Sheldon's theories since introduced to them in high school in 1970 in my first psychology class, and his theories are second nature to my expectations about how people are and how they will tend to act and react, "by-and-large," as my high school sociology teacher used to say.
Thats the biggest paragraph of gibberish I've read since I came to shrubbery
I needa do some research....
-------------------- Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.
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Re: How much does our body affect who we are? [Re: glimpee]
#21823248 - 06/18/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said: Discredited though he may be on Wikipedia, I have read the major books by William Herbert Sheldon, and I stand by the bulk of his Constitutional Psychology including both somatotypes and corresponding temperaments. I'm probably a 2-3-5 Meso-Ectomorph myself. I've been aware of Sheldon's theories since introduced to them in high school in 1970 in my first psychology class, and his theories are second nature to my expectations about how people are and how they will tend to act and react, "by-and-large," as my high school sociology teacher used to say.
Thats the biggest paragraph of gibberish I've read since I came to shrubbery
I needa do some research....
The word "gibberish" derives from the Arabic alchemist Hayyan ibn Jabir, whose Latinized name became Geber. Geber's alchemical procedures were unintelligible to the uninitiated, just as the numerical notations of W.H. Sheldon's body types are unintelligible to you. Geber's esoteric writings, and anything like his, became known as 'Geberish,' which across time morphed into "gibberish."
If you want to read about the theorist who did his homework, read up on Sheldon. I own his Atlas of Men which has thousands of photos of the numerous possible body types along with commentaries on what the corresponding temperaments are typically like. He never created an atlas of women in his lifetime, but the same principles apply. Our temperaments are the psychic correspondence to our body types, and the 3 main types correspond in turn to one of three germ layers of the human zygote.
Ectomorphs are physically and psychologically predominated by the nervous system, hair, small muscles and connective tissue, relatively small bones. They are 'linear' in shape and dominated by a Cerebrotonic sensitive thinking temperament. They seek solitude when upset. Aldous Huxley, J. Robert Oppenheimer, Don Knots. The most extreme would be notated 1-1-7.
Mesomorphs are dominated by muscle, bone, and connective tissue. They are 'square' in shape, and seek 'action' when upset. Ronnie Coleman, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Lou Ferrigno, are extreme examples. The most extreme example would be notated 1-7-1.
Endomorphs are dominated by their viscera, their olfactory, gustatory, gastrointestinal organs. They are 'round' in shape and seek other people out when upset. Dom DeLuise, Danny DeVito, Jack Black are examples. The most extreme example would be notated 7-1-1.
Extremes are in the minority, and there are mathematical ratios that Sheldon used, over 30 of them per person, not mere observation. I own his major works and people ARE predictable to a large extent based on somatotype-temperament. My body-mind is not built for playing professional football, for example. Neither am I a 'foodie.' My probable type (2-3-5 or 2-3-6) happens to be depicted in a majority of artistic renderings of Jesus over the centuries according to Sheldon, but I suspect that if there is any truth to his historicity, Jesus would've had to have had more mesomorphy than my type, more muscular bulk and less nervous sensitivity. I would not have survived a flogging with a Roman flagrum, been able to carry a crossbeam of a crucifix across Jerusalem, or survived 3 hours on a crucifix with my constitution. Regardless, my typology has some mesomorphy (somewhat broad shoulders, wider than my hips, unlike the sloping shoulders of same girth as extreme Ectomorphs, some muscular definition) - a 'swimmer's body' which is the 'type' my wife is especially attracted to (even if I am not a 'swimmer' per se). Everyone doesn't favor Mesomorphs (neither footballers OR their cheer leader correlates). I prefer a type like my own in women - Mesomorphic Ectomorphs (Meso-Ectomorphs): long arms and legs, small-waisted relative to chest and hips. Big-breasted is just a common fetish preference, BUT on the frame described. Like doesn't always attract like. Sometimes 'opposites attract' is the principle.
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glimpee said:
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MarkostheGnostic said: Discredited though he may be on Wikipedia, I have read the major books by William Herbert Sheldon, and I stand by the bulk of his Constitutional Psychology including both somatotypes and corresponding temperaments. I'm probably a 2-3-5 Meso-Ectomorph myself. I've been aware of Sheldon's theories since introduced to them in high school in 1970 in my first psychology class, and his theories are second nature to my expectations about how people are and how they will tend to act and react, "by-and-large," as my high school sociology teacher used to say.
Thats the biggest paragraph of gibberish I've read since I came to shrubbery
I needa do some research....
The word "gibberish" derives from the Arabic alchemist Hayyan ibn Jabir, whose Latinized name became Geber. Geber's alchemical procedures were unintelligible to the uninitiated, just as the numerical notations of W.H. Sheldon's body types are unintelligible to you. Geber's esoteric writings, and anything like his, became known as 'Geberish,' which across time morphed into "gibberish."
If you want to read about the theorist who did his homework. I own his Atlas of Men which has thousands of photos of the numerous possible body types along with commentaries on what the corresponding temperaments are typically like. He never created an atlas of women in his lifetime, but the same principles apply. Our temperaments are the psychic correspondence to our body types, and the 3 main types correspond in turn to one of three germ layers of the human zygote.
Ectomorphs are physically and psychologically predominated by the nervous system, hair, small muscles and connective tissue, relatively small bones. They are 'linear' in shape and dominated by a Cerebrotonic sensitive thinking temperament. They seek solitude when upset. Aldous Huxley, J. Robert Oppenheimer, Don Knots. The most extreme would be notated 1-1-7.
Mesomorphs are dominated by muscle, bone, and connective tissue. They are 'square' in shape, and seek 'action' when upset. Ronnie Coleman, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Lou Ferrigno, are extreme examples. The most extreme example would be notated 1-7-1.
Endomorphs are dominated by their viscera, their olfactory, gustatory, gastrointestinal organs. They are 'round' in shape and seek other people out when upset. Dom DeLuise, Danny DeVito, Jack Black are examples. The most extreme example would be notated 7-1-1.
Extremes are in the minority, and there are mathematical ratios that Sheldon used, over 30 of them per person, not mere observation. I own his major works and people ARE predictable to a large extent based on somatotype-temperament. My body-mind is not built for playing professional football, for example. Neither am I a 'foodie.' My probable type (2-3-5 or 2-3-6) happens to be depicted in a majority of artistic renderings of Jesus over the centuries according to Sheldon, but I suspect that if there is any truth to his historicity, Jesus would've had to have had more mesomorphy than my type, more muscular bulk and less nervous sensitivity. I would not have survived a flogging with a Roman flagrum, been able to carry a crossbeam of a crucifix across Jerusalem, or survived 3 hours on a crucifix with my constitution. Regardless, my typology has some mesomorphy (somewhat broad shoulders, wider than my hips, unlike the sloping shoulders of same girth as extreme Ectomorphs, some muscular definition) - a 'swimmer's body' which is the 'type' my wife is especially attracted to (even if I am not a 'swimmer' per se). Everyone doesn't favor Mesomorphs (neither footballers OR their cheer leader correlates). I prefer a type like my own in women - Mesomorphic Ectomorphs (Meso-Ectomorphs): long arms and legs, small-waisted relative to chest and hips. Big-breasted is just a common fetish preference, BUT on the frame described. Like doesn't always attract like. Sometimes 'opposites attract' is the principle.
This actually makes a lot of sense to me. It's hard to say whether or not the body is a byproduct of personality, or if ones bodies contributes to the image of themselves that shapes their personality.
Regardless - people with similar body types do end to be similar. Thinking of seeing the lanky hunched over nerd and his fellow man as opposed to the large and in charge endomorph.
Really interesting insights - even more to think on and observe
-------------------- Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.
Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069
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