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Enlightened people that shouldn't be.
#21814172 - 06/16/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've done types of stuff, broke through, opened my 3rd eye, seen dmt elves you name it. I enjoy lectures from great thinkers like McKenna, Manly P Hall, Alan Watts, ect... And I'm pretty well valence as far as family work friends money...so I when I talk about reaching or a tainting enlightenment I also know how silly the idea is but also respect it and do my best to keep a good image for the idea. But the other day I ran into my neighbor who is crazy and always getting in fights and trouble with cops and attempted suicide and shit, confessed to me about his 3rd eye awakening and seeing dimensions and this and that psycedelic. The whole time I felt like really? You?
I know anyone can be enlightened I just thought once it happened you would be a wiser person, who doesn't get violent or addicted to brake cleaner and hit women and cuss out your mother. The whole time this dude was telling me how dmt is nothing compared to brake cleaner. People like this make me question psychedelics. Is there a flaw in the drugs or is this guy off his rocker or is he the Buddha of our time? It bothers me that this guy is spreading the same mushroom message in such a way.
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Re: Enlightened people that shouldn't be. [Re: Anahata] 13
#21814191 - 06/16/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you think you are or call yourself enlightened, you aren't.
Drug use also doesn't equate to enlightenment.
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Re: Enlightened people that shouldn't be. [Re: Anahata] 1
#21814196 - 06/16/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Some people just don't take psychedelics are seriously as others 
Enlightenment is also a retarded term. I've had some wild trips and I used to be all hippie hippie in thinking I was better and more open minded than everyone else. In reality, I just looked like a pretentious douche.
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Enlightenment is something very simple. Please listen closely to this:
This is enlightenment. To have the realization that everything is well with all things, to be liberated from your fear and doubt by this knowledge, and to remain into this knowledge, to not have it slip away when the mood or drug wears off. And the void left by the absence of fear and pain will be fillerd with LOVE, unconditional love that radiates inward and outward.
Thats all that enlightenment is. Taking inner peace to a higher level. It doesnt make you better than another, everyone is the best, but you are better off because the suffering associated with fear and doubt barely affects you anymore.
You don't suddenly go Supersaiyan but you do level up.
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Re: Enlightened people that shouldn't be. [Re: Asante]
#21814228 - 06/16/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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#21814310 - 06/16/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those who say, do not know it.
Those who know it, do not say.
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Re: Enlightened people that shouldn't be. [Re: Psy Baba]
#21814320 - 06/16/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm enlightened but I suspect my idea of enlightenment does not synch with Asante's. Just saying
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Re: Enlightened people that shouldn't be. [Re: zappaisgod]
#21814427 - 06/16/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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How would you define enlightenment?
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Re: Enlightened people that shouldn't be. [Re: Anahata] 1
#21814452 - 06/16/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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OP, do you think you might be jealous of him? Serious question. Dig deep before you answer.
I can't imagine why an enlightened being would bother another enlightened being if not the sort of rivalry/jealousy people get with others similar to them.
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Re: Enlightened people that shouldn't be. [Re: D.M.T] 1
#21814455 - 06/16/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enlightenment isnty not giving a fuck, its loving erverything completely.
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Re: Enlightened people that shouldn't be. [Re: zappaisgod]
#21814477 - 06/16/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I'm enlightened but I suspect my idea of enlightenment does not synch with Asante's. Just saying
Enlightenment is not an idea.
Asante: it is also not a definition.
It's not a what, a who, a when.
It's not an experience
It's not a thought.
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Re: Enlightened people that shouldn't be. [Re: Psy Baba]
#21814486 - 06/16/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I heard enlightenment is "being", or something like that, from some monks at a Buddhist temple in Thailand. I trusted they knew what they were talking about.
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Re: Enlightened people that shouldn't be. [Re: Psy Baba]
#21814493 - 06/16/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its levelling up in your ascent to Godhood.
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Re: Enlightened people that shouldn't be. [Re: Psy Baba]
#21814497 - 06/16/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I always figured enlightenment to be a sense of being in which an individual loves and accepts themselves enough to love and accept other people.
It took some growing up, some humility, and sacrifices to come to this conclusion, but it's enough to not sound nuts I guess.
The other side of it though is I can see someone else down the line saying love has nothing to do with enlightenment. Or split hairs over what "love" means.
I've always figured just do what feels best as long as you don't hurt anybody or infringe on his or her journey.
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Re: Enlightened people that shouldn't be. [Re: Asante]
#21814509 - 06/16/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Asante said: Its levelling up in your ascent to Godhood.
Look at it, it cannot be seen It is called colorless Listen to it, it cannot be heard It is called noiseless Reach for it, it cannot be held It is called formless These three cannot be completely unraveled So they are combined into one
Above it, not bright Below it, not dark Continuing endlessly, cannot be named It returns back into nothingness Thus it is called the form of the formless The image of the imageless This is called enigmatic Confront it, its front cannot be seen Follow it, its back cannot be seen
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Re: Enlightened people that shouldn't be. [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy] 3
#21814523 - 06/16/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: Some people just don't take psychedelics are seriously as others 
Enlightenment is also a retarded term. I've had some wild trips and I used to be all hippie hippie in thinking I was better and more open minded than everyone else. In reality, I just looked like a pretentious douche.
This completely.
Anyone who claims they are enlightened from getting really high on a drug is so full of shit. I think enlightenment takes years and years to truly achieve and takes life experience and actual work to get to that point, not just taking a high dose of mushrooms with your friends and having some cool thoughts.
Honestly people who say they are enlightened come off to me as really pretentious and usually have an air of arrogance and a chip on their shoulder. Like congrats you took drugs dude you are not better then everyone and enlightened. I think if you have to say you are enlightened all the time it is NOT TRUE.
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Re: Enlightened people that shouldn't be. [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
#21814533 - 06/16/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, the people who have it "all figured out" after one trip at a frat party, or so goddamn out of their minds they think God has sent them on a mission after chugging bottles of DXM. It boggles my mind. To each his/her own I guess, but it's the pretentious idiots who ruin the image for everyone. But then again who cares, it's their journey, maybe they did figure it all out or find God's plan or whatever, but you don't need drugs for those either. Some people are just downright delusional, drugs or not, and as long as they're not doing any harm to me then I guess it's all good.
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Re: Enlightened people that shouldn't be. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21814540 - 06/16/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said:
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: Some people just don't take psychedelics are seriously as others 
Enlightenment is also a retarded term. I've had some wild trips and I used to be all hippie hippie in thinking I was better and more open minded than everyone else. In reality, I just looked like a pretentious douche.
This completely.
Anyone who claims they are enlightened from getting really high on a drug is so full of shit. I think enlightenment takes years and years to truly achieve and takes life experience and actual work to get to that point, not just taking a high dose of mushrooms with your friends and having some cool thoughts.
Honestly people who say they are enlightened come off to me as really pretentious and usually have an air of arrogance and a chip on their shoulder. Like congrats you took drugs dude you are not better then everyone and enlightened. I think if you have to say you are enlightened all the time it is NOT TRUE.
I feel the same way about this white guy with dreads I used to work with in Thailand who moved to India and became a 'sannyasin'.
I don't know what made him a sannyasin other than some guru dude giving him a name and telling him that's what he is, but I'm sure his family weren't too happy about having to support him since he doesn't want to work anymore.
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Re: Enlightened people that shouldn't be. [Re: Adden] 4
#21814560 - 06/16/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I call bullshit on people like Asante every day for claiming enlightenment from taking drugs. I have no qualms telling him all the time I think he is full of shit.
People who trip usually have this weird illusion of knowledge. They say they know all these things about God in the Universe, they type out big paragraphs about their knowledge, but often times they are saying little to nothing at all of substance. They seem to think they have it all figured out but to me someone only begins to achieve enlightenment when they come to the realization they know little to nothing at all. Surrendering to the fact that you are just a human and are so limited in your perception and knowledge to me is important.
You gain knowledge from life experience. I think you become enlightened partly though life experience. If it were as easy as taking a drug and getting really high sooooooo many people would be enlightened.
Common if you really believe you are enlightened don't you think you would have to work for it more then just taking some acid?
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Re: Enlightened people that shouldn't be. [Re: Anahata] 1
#21814571 - 06/16/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anahata said: I've done types of stuff, broke through, opened my 3rd eye, seen dmt elves you name it. I enjoy lectures from great thinkers like McKenna, Manly P Hall, Alan Watts, ect... And I'm pretty well valence as far as family work friends money...so I when I talk about reaching or a tainting enlightenment I also know how silly the idea is but also respect it and do my best to keep a good image for the idea. But the other day I ran into my neighbor who is crazy and always getting in fights and trouble with cops and attempted suicide and shit, confessed to me about his 3rd eye awakening and seeing dimensions and this and that psycedelic. The whole time I felt like really? You?
I know anyone can be enlightened I just thought once it happened you would be a wiser person, who doesn't get violent or addicted to brake cleaner and hit women and cuss out your mother. The whole time this dude was telling me how dmt is nothing compared to brake cleaner. People like this make me question psychedelics. Is there a flaw in the drugs or is this guy off his rocker or is he the Buddha of our time? It bothers me that this guy is spreading the same mushroom message in such a way.
Perhaps enlightenment is not a "one-size-fits-all" phenomenon.
In ancient Zen Buddhist literature, a teacher would break his disciples leg in a gate if that is what it took to awaken him.
Shaolin Kung Fu is a renowned system of combat, that was really devised as a tool for meditation.
There are also individuals historically considered enlightened masters who were frequently looked upon as rambling fools in their time; some would even describe themselves as such (Laozi the proposed author of the Daodejing referred to himself as having the mind of a fool, and that the mind of the Sage is like that of an infant).
The individual you spoke to seems crazy to me as well, but that does not preclude enlightenment.
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