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InvisibleMadBotanist
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Hmm.. Cacti ID?
    #21813526 - 06/16/15 06:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Can anyone help me id the following cacti, much appreciated!







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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: MadBotanist]
    #21813595 - 06/16/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

this seems really intresting. Very  cool not aligned ribs.
i don't really know, maybe some Trichocereus?


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #21813634 - 06/16/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think so as well... thought maybe a slight mutation, but a buddy in tucson said he has one similar in his yard but clueless as to what. Wish I could research more, but damaged tendon limits cpu use...


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: MadBotanist]
    #21813752 - 06/16/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

my first thought was cereus, but those ribs are just to enflated.
Also they look really bumpy, even the ones that are aligned.


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #21814730 - 06/16/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Where'd you get it from?


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: BigHeart]
    #21814826 - 06/16/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

My buddy, he's clueless as to what it is though.


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #21815010 - 06/16/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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my first thought was cereus, but those ribs are just to enflated.
Also they look really bumpy, even the ones that are aligned.




That's what I was gonna say lemna. A monstrose variety. But the ribs totally threw me off.


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21815264 - 06/16/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, looks like one the more columnar clones of mostrose c. peruvianus.  Nice looking plant. 


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #21815586 - 06/16/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The ribs look similar zappa, but is it usual for cereus to have such long spines?  Madbotanist's cactus looks like trich spines on a cereus monstrose body, can they interbreed?


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: BigHeart]
    #21815627 - 06/16/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)


Seems like some specimens can have decent spines.


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #21815641 - 06/16/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Again, i'ts not the spines, ribs are too plump. I do have one of those monstrose cereus and as the ones posted, they have a relatively thin ribs and very caotical placement. Instead, OP's plant has ribs that behave like some of monstrose Pachanoi, not alined, but still "organized".


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #21815732 - 06/16/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

To me the ribs look fairly aligned, albeit in a slight spiral twist, except for the lower part where it goes more random.  After seeing all of the pics of cereus monstrose that have been posted I'd say that's probably what it is, it looks slightly different but hey I have pups on old growth pachanoi that look completely different from whence they grew, cacti are variable sumbitches lol.


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: BigHeart]
    #21817508 - 06/17/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It certainly does have a spiral formation and I tasted a small piece of the flesh and it had no bitter taste perhaps a slightly salty taste.  It would be unfortunate if it was inactive but a nice specimen nevertheless.


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: MadBotanist]
    #21824576 - 06/18/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

bumping for more opinions. Spines seem to differ from that peruvian as well.


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: MadBotanist]
    #21826788 - 06/19/15 05:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Here I found some pictures of this plant:

http://kaktusarnica.blogspot.de/2011/06/blog-post_3372.html



There it is labeled as "Cereus hildmannianus "uruguayan Monstrosus""

So it could be "C.hildmannianus" or "C.urugayanus" var. monstrosus. But yours has much longer spines..?
The urugayanus seems to produce pretty long spines in some areas.

I have a C.peruvianus monstrosus and it's NOT this kind of plant.

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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #21826862 - 06/19/15 06:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A Browningia sp. ?


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #21827338 - 06/19/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah the spines are longer and much more uniform in a slight spiral formation, not quite so random with it's lumpy spinage. Appreciate all the suggestions so far.


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: MadBotanist]
    #21842344 - 06/22/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Another bump of curiosity.


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: MadBotanist]
    #21842450 - 06/22/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

after mostly_harmless  suggestion, i lean on browningia


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #21843030 - 06/22/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah that does have quite the resemblance. But now.... which one I wonder. If only my tendons weren't giving me so many problems and I could do thorough research. Perhaps browningia hertlingiana

And sure enough when I looked at that name I found it in relation to Tucson which as I said my buddy who lives there said he has one just like it in his backyard

http://tucson-gardener.com/graphics/cactacea/Browningia%20hertlingiana.html

Are there any ways to determine whether or not mescaline is present, is bitterness the only way or has someone had one that wasn't bitter but active I couldn't find anything in relation to the species but I found an interesting article about another one that I had not known if previously that may have been growing next to it in my buddies yard

Browningia candelaris - http://www.cienciaymemoria.cl/pdf/publicaciones/ARTICLE%2003_ECHEVERRIA_NIEMEYER_2012b.pdf


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: MadBotanist]
    #21844453 - 06/23/15 01:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

well, i don't know if it does contain mescaline, but it probably does, in really small insignificant quantities.
Meascaline in present inside a lot of cacti. but not all cacti are suitable to be eaten for tripping purposes.
For example, T. Spachianus does contain mescaline, but to trip you should be eating exaggerated amount of tissue,nothing archiviable by humans!
I don't understand if your intentions are to eat that cactus, but if it is, just don't, for 2 reasosn : you wont get tripping, and you would be ating a really nice specimen.

stick with the 3 T. :Bridgesii Pachanoi Peruvianus


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #21844700 - 06/23/15 04:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

While I don't plan on consuming it, I sure don't see why you should only stick to the 3 well known cultivars when the shamens themselves used many more than that. If we only stick to the known we will never further research into what cacti are actually active and to what degree. Plenty more to be discovered out there, I'll take my chances of a poor extraction for the sake of science every now and then :wink: My primary concern would be unknown phytotoxins, but that's what lab rats/mice are for :p

Also I've got all three of those cultivars many times over, and numerous cutting of the one I've posted here, so I could easily sacrifice a cutting or two to research.


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: MadBotanist]
    #21845360 - 06/23/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ok, i understand that's for experimentig. If you want a lead, i talked to someone here in this forum that said to have a good trip with Stetsonia coryne. A cactus known for having really low mescaline amounts, but probably some other alcaloids.


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Re: Hmm.. Cacti ID? [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #21845484 - 06/23/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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ok, i understand that's for experimentig. If you want a lead, i talked to someone here in this forum that said to have a good trip with Stetsonia coryne. A cactus known for having really low mescaline amounts, but probably some other alcaloids.




Interesting man, I'll have to check out that species for sake of curiosity. Looks like ones I've seen at department stores/nurseries.


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