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bennylava
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The voice?
#21813408 - 06/16/15 04:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, not that awful TV show. I'm referring to the voice that people say that they've talked to, when doing shrooms sometimes. I'm learning a lot from Terrence Mkenna, and he (and others) all agree that there is some kind of intelligence, perhaps what you'd call a super intelligence, that makes itself known to you when you do a high enough dosage in the right conditions.
So have you ever talked to this "voice"? If so, what did you ask it? What did it say? It seems to have a sense of humor, as well. Terrence said he once asked it "Why it was on planet earth" to which it replied "Well when you're a mushroom, you live cheap". What kind of response is that? I'd have said "You ain't no mushroom, man. You're no more a mushroom than I'm one of these monkeys you keep talking about. Now spill the beans!!"
Well maybe a lot more respectful than that, but you get the idea. So what are your experiences when talking to this... intelligence? It seems to have all the answers, to whatever you want to ask. This is another thing that attracts me to it.
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qweqaz
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Ive only had a voice at two occasions..and ive tripped a lot. One of those moments it was someone saying "wow awesome..managed to get through..hello..hello" something like that. Just like they where calling me. Was really odd and was actually able to say hello and speak to the person who contacted me..just dont remember anythin about the convo..its was brief. The other time it was actually me trying to reachout myself and same person was on the other end. It was almost like having a phonecall inside my mind..with regular folks.
Ive tried to say hello and stuff as McKenna suggests but been unsuccessful most of the times to actually just hear a voice..usually the whole room swallows me and the visuals become too intense to even bother trying to get a voice..
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Re: The voice? [Re: qweqaz]
#21815594 - 06/16/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've never heard a voice, but musical masterpieces are performed every time I take a sufficient dose. It is always the same mind/intelligence that communicates/performs, and it's definitely not mine. I refer to him as the God Of Creativity. The all knowing, all singing, all dancing master of multidimensional geometry. The source of inspiration.
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bennylava
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Well I want to talk to this voice. Mkenna says 5 grams is necessary, and you need to be laying on your bed facing up, in a dark room with no noise and nobody else there. These factors could be limiting people, who knows.
I'm going to ask it many personal things, of course. If I can ever get in contact with this intelligence. Since according to people who have talked to it, it does seem to know pretty much everything.
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twelvelookslikeu
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I never really hear one voice. Its always like I'm in a crowded room. I hear others talking and laughing. They respond to what I ask them though. I have earplugs in so I'm not sure if I'm really hearing it. Its more like telepathy.
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Heisencybin
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Yeah I feel like the voices are more like getting in touch with the collective consciousness. I can observe people's thoughts and words almost like a telepathy. But it's probably just my mind making it up. I often feel like I'm being guided throughout my trip to do stuff and go places, and when I hear my own voice in my head, it feels a lot more foreign to me.
And that's what psychs do. They break down the ego so much that your own voice in your head starts to sound so foreign, people may think it isn't their own. Persoanlly, I think it's mostly in your head. Perhaps, some converging with a higher or collective consciousness. I get very empathetic and aware of other people's feelings, lives, and struggles.
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bennylava
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twelvelookslikeu said: I never really hear one voice. Its always like I'm in a crowded room. I hear others talking and laughing. They respond to what I ask them though. I have earplugs in so I'm not sure if I'm really hearing it. Its more like telepathy.
What have you asked it? What did it say? Mkenna seems to think it was some sort of... higher intelligence? He even said that he thought the DMT "elves" might be dead people. Something like, those who have had all the human experiences they need, and have "graduated" to a higher level. The shamans do call them the "ancestor spirits". After all, what would reincarnation be for, if you didn't one day no longer need to be human?
I've heard so many different theories on what it is. Only thing that's certain, is that by all reports its smarter and more knowledgable than any living man.
I've had some similar experiences in the state between awake, and asleep. Sometimes if I'm in that state, I can ask a question and the answer is there immediately. Everything is so much more clear. After I'm done with psychedelics, I want to try to get good at having OBEs. See what's out there.
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bennylava said: Well I want to talk to this voice. Mkenna says 5 grams is necessary, and you need to be laying on your bed facing up, in a dark room with no noise and nobody else there. These factors could be limiting people, who knows.
I'm going to ask it many personal things, of course. If I can ever get in contact with this intelligence. Since according to people who have talked to it, it does seem to know pretty much everything.
I've taken a heroic dose McKenna style. I started to hear a voice on the comedown. It was really scary for everyone involved and I don't believe it was an objective intelligence but rather my own religious issues surfacing.
When I take Ayahuasca I also come in contact with a presence. The communication feels more like telepathy and I have a much harder time rationalizing the presence as a subjective phenomena. Maybe the Atman or Collective Consciousness. Very wise, understanding, accepting, forgiving.
Good stuff.
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
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bennylava
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What is the collective consciouness? As it would be defined by most trippers, anyway.
Edited by bennylava (06/18/15 04:42 AM)
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DXM was the only time I've heard or experienced any sort of 'other'. Was very similar to trip reports I've read online.
IT: "This one is so weird" ME: "Whoa, what is that?" IT: "*Just emanates*" ME: What is the meaning of life? IT: For who? ME: What is the meaning of my life? IT: At what point in time? ME: Etc, flabberghasted, asking stupid questions. IT: Calmly shooting holes in all my assumptions. ME: I want to push out into the most desolate, empty part of outer space. IT: Takes me there. Etc etc. Through all extremes of size, dimension, and space.
Have read multiple accounts of people getting the "My, isn't this one weird" or "Strange this one broke through" thing.
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Heisencybin
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This is a complicated question since many may see it differently. But for me, I think it's mostly a higher level of consciousness we can achieve through psychs and other practices. I see that each of our individual consciousnesses are really connected to a greater force. Perhaps the consciousness of the natural intelligence or god, which is within us all if we search for it. To see that life isn't all random and there is a driving consciousness that we are all connected to. We can go into these higher states of consciousness and see these connections. When you combine all individual minds and everything in the cosmos at once, you see a driving force to it all. The universe is conscious and is using us to become aware of itself in a new weird, confusing way. That's why it becomes so clear on psychs. Because you have this higher state of awareness and this all seems obvious.
The self is an illusion when you don't see yourself connected to the greater whole. But as far as when we die? Some people say that we converge with this energy and become part of this pure natural god like consciousness. Still will lose everything and all memories of self from this life, but i personally think we will trip out for what feels like eternity when dmt enters our brain during the last few moments. During thus time, we will see many parts of our lives and memories and it will feel like we will be there forever. Until we slowly fade out into the ether. The energy in our bodies recycled forever onwards. Although we are forever gone and no memories last, we still become part of this pure consciousness in the sense that this natural intelligence is everything and everywhere. Including within us now when we're alive.
So yeah, not all peaches n cream but this is honestly how I see it. I try to be as truthful as I can to myself on these topics as I would hate to create a fairytale ending and force myself to believe bullshit even though I know it's wrong. I would never grow from that. This is a topic I take very seriously and try not to get carried away on any theories. But this one seems the most sound to me
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bennylava said: What is the collective consciouness? As it would be defined by most trippers, anyway.
It's not an easy concept to sum up but I'll try.
Every thought we have comes from our social environment. We can see this as we watch kids grow up. My oldest son learns new things at school, not just math and reading but phrases, memes, etc. He brings these home and my youngest son picks them up. We're all a reflection of this constant sharing of culture.
In addition we carry DNA that goes back to well before we were human and we're a reflection of the constant struggle to survive. Our DNA is the product of countless parent child relationships. Love being expressed throughout time and space.
Finally we're not separate from our physical environment. We're shaped by big and small phenomena, stars exploding makeup the atoms that form our bodies. Energy from the sun is converted into sugar by plants which form the calories we burn to survive. We're connected to, and a reflection, of all of this.
When I take Ayahuasca I feel like I'm talking to the mother archetype. My very concept of motherhood, formed over many many lifetimes. An aspect of the Atman (Buddhism, No-Self) or collective consciousness. I see this as an objective phenomena because while my concept of motherhood may vary from another's it is something universal. I may see red a bit differently than you but we both agree that red is a color. Additionally my understanding of this being deepens over time.
In contrast the voice I encountered on 5 grams was a product of fear and panic brought on by childhood Christian indoctrination. The Ayahuasca spirit has helped me to put these things in perspective and even forgive those most responsible as well as accept myself in spite of my 'sins' against God.
And yeah, basically
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bennylava
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So its not "God" then? Cause it fits most of the checklist for being god. The God, the real one. Not as the narrow definition defined by the Christian church. I too was indoctrinated as a child, and its something very difficult to overcome. But I hope too.
They say that having an OBE, or an NDE, with teach you that there is life after death, and that the point of this life is basically that you are here to learn and grow as an individual. And if you don't learn enough, you may come back numerous times. Frankly that explanation makes more sense than any I've ever heard or imagined on my own. Looking at it objectively, all evidence seems to point in that direction.
I was just hoping to be able to get in contact with that voice and see if that's what it really was. Reading this site, it looks like most people generally fear, and don't do 5 grams lol. Terrence Mkenna said you have to "Screw your courage to the sticking place" to do it.
Edited by bennylava (06/18/15 11:47 AM)
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paperbackwriter
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God in the pantheistic sense sure. Certainly not in the Old Testament sense.
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
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I get voices and I only do 2 grams most of the time. For me sensory depravation is the key.
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bennylava
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Seems it was pretty much the same for Mkenna. Dark room, eyes closed, quiet, alone.
Might be interesting to build a small sensory deprivation chamber to take it a step further. Seems like you need all the outside noise to be gone.
Also, the bible does say that god is everything, everywhere, and is in everything, everywhere. This does jive pretty well with you guys' descriptions. I mean, so is the universe. Its everywhere, in everything, you get the idea.
Interesting side note, one old lady who had an NDE, said she was floating above the earth in space, and she sort of looked down and saw a snowflake. The spirit or whatever was there that was with her, told her that there were a million worlds just in that snowflake.
Edited by bennylava (06/19/15 02:56 AM)
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twelvelookslikeu
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I use my bathroom and lay a comforter on the floor then pop in some ear plugs.
I want an experience like that old lady that sounds amazing.
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Heisencybin
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Mindfold man. Greatest toy for shrooming
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bennylava
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Heisencybin said: Mindfold man. Greatest toy for shrooming
What is a mindfold?
Also, the old lady basically died to get that experience lol. But, I have heard of some psychedelics sometimes giving an NDE or OBE, IIRC one of them as auyuhasca. Can't remember how to spell that. Personally I find NDE's or death experiences, to be fascinating. Some of the people basically offer proof of an afterlife. One guy floated off the operating table over to another building across the street and was able to tell them what the conversation they were having was, all while he was technically braindead. You have to actually have brain function to have a dream or hallucination. Yet while his brain had no measurable function, he was still able to account events that took place that he couldn't have known. Lots of that kind of thing going on in the OBE and NDE area.
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IT is hard to pin down. It is there for me onP.subaeruginosa and Pan.cyanescens. It speaks with authority so I know that it is not me. It has many names. It speaks in a special language if I listen. It can change personality if I change direction. It seems timeless to me. It always tells me there was a time when it was there with me. I can give it a name when I'm not out of it. It will let me know right from wrong. I've always been intrigued by that other presence when I take mushrooms. These days I want the mushrooms that communicate on a subtle level through dreams. The above mentioned species to me seem forceful and coercive. The voice says do this or suffer. That voice has wisdom but when the trip ends I find relief as well. So I keep looking for weaker more mellow mushrooms.
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