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Re: CultVirgin 1st Timer,Do I Have everything guys? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21905614 - 07/06/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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pf-tek does great with just 90mins in a normal pot! :super:



Seemed to be ok. They look the same as they do when they get PC'd ill probably PC some and steam pot others I have 24 new to make on Friday  Anyone wanna come help lol


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Re: CultVirgin 1st Timer,Do I Have everything guys? [Re: Devon420]
    #21905622 - 07/06/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thatl do it everytime. My first Tim back I lost 80% of my first attempt, poor inoculation techniques to blame. I got the dry Verm later wet most of those times. But my next round is going swimmingly.


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Re: CultVirgin 1st Timer,Do I Have everything guys? [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21905628 - 07/06/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Thatl do it everytime. My first Tim back I lost 80% of my first attempt, poor inoculation techniques to blame. I got the dry Verm later wet most of those times. But my next round is going swimmingly.




Haha I'm pretty sure I got the dry Verm layer on a couple of the jars to.  You live you learn :frown:


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Re: CultVirgin 1st Timer,Do I Have everything guys? [Re: Devon420]
    #21908586 - 07/07/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My 2 healthy jars and 8 drowned ones. The ones that are healthy are colonizing like mad I think it helps that I play music for them lol


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Re: CultVirgin 1st Timer,Do I Have everything guys? [Re: Devon420]
    #21908679 - 07/07/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I play Pandora One 24/7 to them


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Re: CultVirgin 1st Timer,Do I Have everything guys? [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21908769 - 07/07/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I saw for most of the thread you were looking for a PC, get the presto 23qt pressure cooker, its 70$ on amazon if your wal mart(like mine) doesn't carry it.  Best investment yet for this hobby.  Also, get some SFD 90mm wide mouth size, some red RTV glue and some quart jars.  The choice of grains is up to you, but you definitely wanna get your sterile procedures up to par before attempting another grow, 2/10 jars is a horrible success rate.

and like everyone else says, get into agar, try MEA recipie as it tends to be the cheapest. a lot of people say agar increases success rate when done correctly, and that its easier than the PF tek to master.

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Re: CultVirgin 1st Timer,Do I Have everything guys? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21908802 - 07/07/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It also doesn't help that you are tilting jars moving your Verm barrier for contams to come
Crawling in

Just LEAVE them alone. I know it can be exciting but it's not worth the time wasted

Also investing in a PC and synthetic filter discs is a great way to boost the success rate

How does 10/10 jars successful when pcing at 15 psi for 90 minutes. You'll be laughing. At yourself for boiling water in a pot with a rate of 2/10


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Re: CultVirgin 1st Timer,Do I Have everything guys? [Re: Syntheticwords]
    #21908888 - 07/07/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

to be honest, idk how your success rate was that low, even with steam sterilization.  I used steam sterilization(boiling pot on stove) for my first 2 rounds of jars (14 jars) 6, then 8, and I had a 100% success rate, still do.  it works fine, and the sterilization time for stove boiling it 90 minutes, not an hour, that 30 minutes does wonders, and the timer starts when steam is being produced, not when you place the pot on the stove.

good luck man, I hope you get some good flushes off the 2 cakes at least lol.


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Re: CultVirgin 1st Timer,Do I Have everything guys? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21909753 - 07/07/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Guys all my sterile procedure was fine  I did it all by the book. I just screwed up innoculating. Ill try again Friday I'm gonna do the exact same thing with 5 of my jars to show that I screwed them by putting in to much spore water, I will steam steralise in a pot but won't over inoculate like before. Then the other 19 jars I'm gonna do the same but use a PC. The only thing I'm goin to change is what I noticed and what I feel I did wrong which was inoculate way to much. I know I was sterile I know. I followed it to a t  my girl was so annoyed at how much research and how many mush vids I watched. I know RR BRF tek off by heart. I can tell you it easily! I just dropped the ball on the most important part "inoculation" don't worry guys. Beleive and you shall achieve ! See how it goes Friday/Saturday. Gonna be alot if myc work but it's fun


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Re: CultVirgin 1st Timer,Do I Have everything guys? [Re: Devon420]
    #21909761 - 07/07/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I did some searching and found alot of ppl that have had this problem with over inoculating/drowning jars. There's countless threads all over the net I searched no growth but strange smell and this matches up perfect
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Bacillus thrives on overly wet areas on substrates or grain, along with all bacterium

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bacteria.

you're cakes are probably soggy, the exact same thing happened to me the first time I made pf's.put in to much water destroying the water ratio.


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Re: CultVirgin 1st Timer,Do I Have everything guys? [Re: Syntheticwords]
    #21909792 - 07/07/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My PC was 60$ and it's sooo small it's going to take me forever. The worst part is I crumpled up the receipt and threw it so I can't take it back it kinda sucks so I'm still gonna use the pot for brf cakes. If I do a grain jar I will only need one anyways and I have mini casings that fit in it.  I can make do I'm very resourceful  ill probably buy one in a few months once I actually get good at pf tek then ill step up but I stepped backwards a bit. Now I'm gonna run back up the hill and pick that pretty mushroom atop of it!!!!! :smile:


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Re: CultVirgin 1st Timer,Do I Have everything guys? [Re: Devon420]
    #21909822 - 07/07/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

pots work just as fine as PCs for pf-tek.

but again you shouldn't bump your own thread dude! :lol:

now you have 3 posts without anyone posting in between, use the edit function! :super:


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Re: CultVirgin 1st Timer,Do I Have everything guys? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21909861 - 07/07/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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pots work just as fine as PCs for pf-tek.

but again you shouldn't bump your own thread dude! :lol:

now you have 3 posts without anyone posting in between, use the edit function! :super:




Sorry dude  I haven't gotten any warnings at all tho. I give everyone a single reply not answer all answers in 1 huge ass post. But yes ill tone it down for you lol. I see that's what you do in the noob forum.


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Re: CultVirgin 1st Timer,Do I Have everything guys? [Re: Devon420]
    #21910253 - 07/07/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If your jars smell funky, its contamination. Yes, over-wetting with spore solution let the bacteria flourish, but they still had to get in there somehow. Its gotta be either from incomplete sterilization, or later introduction.

Most common causes of post-sterilization contamination are poor needle technique (not flaming the needle, stirring up the vermiculite layer, etc) and disturbing the vermiculite layer (I know its fascinating as hell picking up the jars to look at them, but its really easy to let in some nasty nasties with even a tiny jostling of the vermiculite barrier).

If you're feeling paranoid, you can hit up a craft/hobby store and pick up a couple sheets of stiffened felt (easy felt, EZfelt, etc) for less than a dollar a square foot. Use a jar lid (not ring) as a stencil and cut out some disks. After inoculating, stick the disk between the lid and the ring, and you have an easy simple backup filter.


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Re: CultVirgin 1st Timer,Do I Have everything guys? [Re: matsc]
    #21911920 - 07/07/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

how much liquid did you squirt In each jar? im guessing you had/used 1 syringe to innoc them all.

and you flamed the needle till red between each jar?

good luck with your second round?

some good advice man, just spend the 8$ and but the LGM set of vids, priceless info in there man and it makes it way easier than scrolling thru hundreds of posts littered with horrible info to get wht you need


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Re: CultVirgin 1st Timer,Do I Have everything guys? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21914963 - 07/08/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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how much liquid did you squirt In each jar? im guessing you had/used 1 syringe to innoc them all.

and you flamed the needle till red between each jar?

good luck with your second round?

some good advice man, just spend the 8$ and but the LGM set of vids, priceless info in there man and it makes it way easier than scrolling thru hundreds of posts littered with horrible info to get wht you need




I used 3 10cc syringes for 10 jars. Yea I flamed the needle


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Re: CultVirgin 1st Timer,Do I Have everything guys? [Re: Devon420]
    #21915014 - 07/08/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Omg guys it might not have been to much spore solution. Maybe im just retarded. A couple weeks ago my bro came out from Ontario for a visit and I made a little mushroom kit for him. His jar looks better than mine now wtf! The only thing I did differently was I sprayed my bathroom with cleaner and inoculated in a SAB in the bathroom. When I did my 10 jars I inoculated on my living room laminate floor which was probably dirty and I didn't spray cleaner & it's a huge open area.  I think I'm going to use the bathroom SAB with cleaner everywhere method from now on. Damn. Learning exp +1


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    #21915025 - 07/08/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

how about just using the SAB in a room you dont normally shit in? :super:


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Re: CultVirgin 1st Timer,Do I Have everything guys? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21915075 - 07/08/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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how about just using the SAB in a room you dont normally shit in? :super:



Well it seemed to work pretty good  it's the smallest room in my appt and I bleach cleanered the hell out of the room. I think it worked better than the floor in my big open living room


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Re: CultVirgin 1st Timer,Do I Have everything guys? [Re: Devon420]
    #21915110 - 07/08/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sit at a desk or a table (much easier and less contams then the floor). Turn of AC and any fans. Bathroom is about the most contamination laden room in the house.


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