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Is being a "goody two-shoes" a sign of immaturity? 1
#21811685 - 06/15/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've always looked at people who fit the goody two-shoes stereotype, especially adults, as being incredibly immature for their age. This was mostly an intuitive judgment.
But if I had to speculate about why I feel this way, I might say it's because young children typically don't question moral authority. Then when they become teenagers they rebel against and question everything, and when they finally become adults, they take a more moderate stance where they realize it's ok to push against some barriers, but not against others.
This I think is the main reason why I view goody two-shoes as immature - they remind me of the 1st-grader saying, "I'm gonna tell teacher!"
Has anyone else felt this way too, that goody two-shoes are immature?
Edited by Celestial Traveler (06/15/15 05:40 PM)
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Re: Is being a "goody two-shoes" a sign of immaturity? [Re: Celestial Traveler] 1
#21811736 - 06/15/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Most of the time I would say no, but after having a falling out with a friend (context, I am 23 and she is 35) because she was trying to get me to validate her feelings of hatred towards the moral relavtiveness of her lesbian boss who got married (in Mass) and I wouldn't and than she went off on me about how she maintained her childlike innocence and I ruined myself with drugs, I feel like goody two-shoes is.
She also is the person who had her first love just recently and told me there is no way I have ever been in love cause what they had was so special no one else could have had that. It was like looking into the mirror of my 19 year old self all over again, and I tried to tell her that everyone feels that way after their first love. Then she goes off on a half hour long schpele about how she's not the one's who's changed, I am (never was a conversation point) and how drugs have ruined my mind and there's no way that I could ever stand up for something.
So yea, goody two shoes people are immature. They just never have really truly put themselves out there to see what life is about.
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Re: Is being a "goody two-shoes" a sign of immaturity? [Re: theonlysun81]
#21811779 - 06/15/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Everything you said about your friend shouts immaturity in my opinion.
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Celestial Traveler said: Everything you said about your friend shouts immaturity in my opinion.
yea she's like a family friend and I'm relatively young so I maintained it out of respect for my dad, but its just getting to the point where it's insane.
Her sister is a schizophrenic and I would say is more sane than her. She's beyond talking to any more.
I was trying to be open minded, like maybe she found a way that gay people legitimately are bad, but when I kept asking how it affected her at all she just kept saying how condescending I was sounding and ignoring the question. like page after page of texts that were not even about the issue. if I had a smart phone I'd post the convo, but I don't.
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Re: Is being a "goody two-shoes" a sign of immaturity? [Re: theonlysun81]
#21811826 - 06/15/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That sucks. Well yeah, your friend sounds like a good example to prove my point.
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Re: Is being a "goody two-shoes" a sign of immaturity? [Re: Celestial Traveler] 2
#21811837 - 06/15/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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There is nothing immature about being a good person.
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Re: Is being a "goody two-shoes" a sign of immaturity? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21811845 - 06/15/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Goody-two shoes does not necessarily equal good person.
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It doesn't?
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Re: Is being a "goody two-shoes" a sign of immaturity? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21811858 - 06/15/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can still question moral authority and choose to be "goody". Not everyone comes to the same conclusions we may. You could call some people in the subculture stupid for not taking the advice of the government and not doing meth or heroin or whatever - cause we all know some of them screw it up and die or become hooked of whatever.
Who's more mature? Well, what's mature?
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Re: Is being a "goody two-shoes" a sign of immaturity? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21811862 - 06/15/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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They've never faulted and erred. If you go your whole life with no resistance, when the day comes you won't be prepared.
I had a friend who was a "good" person and was as plane and vanilla as one can get. He had no passion for anything in return. He's just a good little tool to be exploited. I could never follow a man like that or work with someone accordingly. It reeks apathy and weakness.
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Re: Is being a "goody two-shoes" a sign of immaturity? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21811865 - 06/15/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nope.
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Re: Is being a "goody two-shoes" a sign of immaturity? [Re: zappaisgod] 2
#21811874 - 06/15/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: It doesn't?
a goody two shoes never really will step out of their comfort zone and make real, grown up mistakes. there for the will not have wisdom from their perspective the rest of us truly could benefit from them.
Just another head on the blunt for lack of a better term
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Re: Is being a "goody two-shoes" a sign of immaturity? [Re: theonlysun81] 2
#21811884 - 06/15/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think of a goody two shoes as somebody who is similar to the Pharisees. More judgmental in nature. Not moral in a philanthropic or good deed sort of way, but somebody who simply complies with the rules, and constantly emphasizes that they are in line with the rules whereas you are not.
Genuinely good people will often hardly point out or recognize their own goodness.
Goody two-shoes are more likely to kiss butt to rulemaking authority, because they perceive befriending authority as a tool to gain power over the others who are subject to the rules.
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Re: Is being a "goody two-shoes" a sign of immaturity? [Re: Celestial Traveler] 1
#21811894 - 06/15/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Celestial Traveler said: I think of a goody two shoes as somebody who is similar to the Pharisees. More judgmental in nature. Not moral in a philanthropic or good deed sort of way, but somebody who simply complies with the rules, and constantly emphasizes that they are in line with the rules whereas you are not.
Genuinely good people will often hardly point out or recognize their own goodness.
Goody two-shoes are more likely to kiss butt to rulemaking authority, because they perceive befriending authority as a tool to gain power over the others who are subject to the rules.
I would also say that generally good people know that they are capable of evil and it troubles them. Goody two shoes could never believe they are capable of wrong doing, cause how could they, they're them. I envision a good two shoes as more passive too, although i see which kind you are point out.
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Re: Is being a "goody two-shoes" a sign of immaturity? [Re: Celestial Traveler] 2
#21811900 - 06/15/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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'Adults' can be pretty immature overall. People think that just because u have a steady pay check or u got a car, house, wife n kids, wutever, that u are somehow more mature than most people and that's just not true. We seem to live in this skewed up world where the more money u have the more u are somehow worth as a person and it's really fucked up.
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Re: Is being a "goody two-shoes" a sign of immaturity? [Re: zZZz]
#21812052 - 06/15/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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people-pleasers who behave overly-kind out of insecurity are immature.
if you're genuinely a nice person who doesn't need to do nice things to feel secure, that's maturity
some people are constantly afraid that others perceive them negatively, and therefore overcompensate by acting overly nice. these people aren't yet secure enough in their individuality which is why they come across as awkward or as a pussy
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Re: Is being a "goody two-shoes" a sign of immaturity? [Re: zZZz]
#21812057 - 06/15/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wouldn't really say goody two-shoes people are immature. Most of those types live really "meaningful" lives under their definition of the word (families, good jobs, marriages). I know one thing though, they really aren't any fun to be around but its good to have 1 or 2 in your circle if you ever need a DD or something like that.
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Re: Is being a "goody two-shoes" a sign of immaturity? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21812217 - 06/15/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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all the insanely successful people i've met have always been super nice and perhaps a bit overly generous. and always talk in an optimistic, goody-two-shoes manner.
i'm sure that depends a lot where you live, and what type of career those "successful people" are in
but the trend i've witnessed in my life has been: rising success = rising goody-two-shoesness
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Re: Is being a "goody two-shoes" a sign of immaturity? [Re: Celestial Traveler] 1
#21812272 - 06/15/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anybody can have a label thrown at them, so it's hard to say if the person is immature.
But it's immature to insult someone with such a label. In this case, it reflects poorly upon the person who is doing the name calling.
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Re: Is being a "goody two-shoes" a sign of immaturity? [Re: Acaterpillar] 2
#21812309 - 06/15/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What are you talking about mate? You just lightly insulted us about insulting people with labels.
Just because someone is a "good" individual does not mean they are unworthy or whatever, but there are those types that wade through life on the earnings and hard work of others just being wallflowers and then gloating on their status and superiority. I do not like those types. I have had friends, ex friends now, who have been like this.
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