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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21810488 - 06/15/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Put wings on pigs.  Fuck the cops.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21810491 - 06/15/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

have you guys noticed that the lawyer never shows up to enlighten us with his opinions in these police brutality threads?  seems like a criminal defense attorney should have some good shit to say about the subject...


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21810506 - 06/15/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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http://www.wtae.com/national/san-diego-deputy-uses-taser-on-13-year-old/33580838

Looks like the mother of this child called the cops because he had been missing for 1.5 days.  It's also been reported that he bit the cop during the physical struggle.


So him missing is on the mom. Did The cop even know he was a missing person he was looking to "help"?
And if you were beating me up I'd bite you too.
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have you guys noticed that the lawyer never shows up to enlighten us with his opinions in these police brutality threads?  seems like a criminal defense attorney should have some good shit to say about the subject...




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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21810513 - 06/15/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm sorry you think that there is nothing wrong with the police killing 1000+ civilians a year when almost none of those killings were necessary! regarldless of the number of ones deemed justifiable. Were they necessary? The fact that there are police departments that aren't killing civilians at a rate anywhere close to most American cops shows that there is a BETTER way.

People are killed who are not guilty of anything but moving in a way that a cop found threatening. Totally innocent people who end up dead. Often this is deemed justified because the cop felt threatened. Well, you still have a dead, innocent civilian, and in your eyes that is perfectly fine.

By the way, there is a huge difference between being deemed justified and not being prosecuted. 30 is the number of cops convicted. The number of not justified killings is unknown because of poor reporting. Cops are fired or resign without being formally charged. They are not charged because of the difficulty inherent in winning a case against cops for reasons I have already explained.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: koods]
    #21810530 - 06/15/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

One can only hope that one day the police and their families will feel the fear and suffering of so many of their victims and their victims' families.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: abltsandwich]
    #21810550 - 06/15/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thats not the way. The good eggs should help the bad apples and if they don't reform, kick them the fuck out of the force or prosecute them.

The police should police itself. Any healthy organization polices itself. If a shroomery staffer screws up its a full roast in the mod forum until good comes of it. Why should the police be any different?  In fact more so. They deal with life and death.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: koods] * 1
    #21810569 - 06/15/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hyperbole is not your friend. I never said it was fine in my eyes. Does honesty fail you so in real life?


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when almost none of those killings were necessary!




Prove it. Try it without hyperbole. Comparing what cops do in other countries won't cut it anymore than saying cops in other countries should do what American cops do.


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People are killed who are not guilty of anything but moving in a way that a cop found threatening.




Prove it. Make your case. Comparing what cops do in other countries won't cut it anymore than saying cops in other countries should do what American cops do.


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By the way, there is a huge difference between being deemed justified and not being prosecuted.




No shit? Amazing! There's also a big difference between koods thinking someone is guilty and the justice system finding them so. How is it that "innocent until proven guilty" means so little to you?

If you ever want to have a hyperbole free, fact based, non apples vs oranges discussion, it might be interesting.

Until then, you remain... full of shit.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: Asante]
    #21810574 - 06/15/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe but their job is to take freedom from people.  They're anti-freedom by their nature.  Fuck them, their families, and their friends for supporting the shit stains on the fabric of society that they have become.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: Asante]
    #21810585 - 06/15/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Thats not the way. The good eggs should help the bad apples and if they don't reform, kick them the fuck out of the force or prosecute them.




On that, we agree. Where my difference comes is when tools decide that all are guilty because of a very small number of assholes. The fact that so many here lump all into one basket while claiming to be tolerant, is absolutely pathetic.

Making a mountain of a molehill helps no-one.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: abltsandwich]
    #21810591 - 06/15/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Maybe but their job is to take freedom from people.




I dont know about you but for lack of a cure of what ails him, I'd prefer a serial rapists freedom to be taken away.

Some people are caught up in violent loops and those loops must be cut short. Thats the point of having cops.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: Asante]
    #21810603 - 06/15/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Maybe but their job is to take freedom from people.




I dont know about you but for lack of a cure of what ails him, I'd prefer a serial rapists freedom to be taken away.

Some people are caught up in violent loops and those loops must be cut short. Thats the point of having cops.




Stop being sensible. People will soon be calling you a cop lover if you keep it up.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: Asante]
    #21810605 - 06/15/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's the judge's job, not the cop's.  The cop only takes it away on suspicion or evidence and a judge convicts.  So the judge keeps the rapist off the street not the cops.  The cops just takes your freedom from you, fills out paperwork, and goes home for the day.  Whether you, the arestee, actually did anything doesn't matter to the police, only the judge after all your legal fees and court dates.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: abltsandwich]
    #21810615 - 06/15/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So the rapist magically appears in front of the judge? Or does guilt overwhelm the rapist and he turns himself in?


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21810618 - 06/15/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I never said police forces in other countries. Stop putting words in my mouth. There are large police departments in this country that don't have this problem.

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Thats not the way. The good eggs should help the bad apples and if they don't reform, kick them the fuck out of the force or prosecute them.




On that, we agree. Where my difference comes is when tools decide that all are guilty because of a very small number of assholes. The fact that so many here lump all into one basket while claiming to be tolerant, is absolutely pathetic.

Making a mountain of a molehill helps no-one.




The problem is systemic. The problem is in the culture of the police that is imposed up in every officer in those departments where it is allowed to fester: you don't testify against other cops. You don't speak ill when you see wrong doing. This is how an entire police force becomes corrupt. Not to mention the use of the police to generate revenue for municipal government. These are huge issues and some people just prefer to look away.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21810621 - 06/15/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's irrelevant.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: koods]
    #21810633 - 06/15/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I never said police forces in other countries. Stop putting words in my mouth. There are large police departments in this country that don't have this problem.




Really?

So when you said "The fact that there are police departments that aren't killing civilians at a rate anywhere close to most American cops shows that there is a BETTER way." and you used the word "American", you weren't referring to cops in other countries? Who then? Martian cops?

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21810513#21810513


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21810635 - 06/15/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Thats not the way. The good eggs should help the bad apples and if they don't reform, kick them the fuck out of the force or prosecute them.




On that, we agree. Where my difference comes is when tools decide that all are guilty because of a very small number of assholes. The fact that so many here lump all into one basket while claiming to be tolerant, is absolutely pathetic.

Making a mountain of a molehill helps no-one.





Making a moilehill into a death pit isnt the way too. You are overdoing it by flirting with the position that because its not all wrong it must be all right. This how it comes across. Repeatedly tazing a playing kid is all wrong. Most cops wouldnt do that but more than a few would. We see so many examples of police brutality in this forum too., so many cases where they resorted to killing in pure overkill.

Tazering isnt a corrective swat or Go To Your Room, its a way to physically incapacitate enraged attackers who come at you with a weapon and intent to kill. An adult can easily tackle and restrain the crap out of a 12yo without harming him too much in case of violent attack, and this wasnt even a violent attack, well what the cop did most certainly was. And hes the victim, fffft.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: abltsandwich]
    #21810638 - 06/15/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think that by this point you guys should realize that arguing with each other is a waste of time...

All has been said. All has been refuted. Nobody changed their minds.

No need to mull over the same shit 20 times expecting different results...


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: abltsandwich]
    #21810639 - 06/15/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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That's irrelevant.




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Of course it is.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: Asante]
    #21810657 - 06/15/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Making a moilehill into a death pit isnt the way too.




How fortunate we are not doing that.


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You are overdoing it by flirting with the position that because its not all wrong it must be all right.




Except I didn't state or "flirt" with that position in the slightest.


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This how it comes across.




So learn to comprehend. I can't help that simple concepts seem to be slipping past you and several others.


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Repeatedly tazing a playing kid is all wrong.




Repeatedly tazing a kid WITH NO REASON would be. Can you tell from the video that that is the case?


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Most cops wouldnt do that but more than a few would. We see so many examples of police brutality in this forum too., so many cases where they resorted to killing in pure overkill.

Tazering isnt a corrective swat or Go To Your Room, its a way to physically incapacitate enraged attackers who come at you with a weapon and intent to kill. An adult can easily tackle and restrain the crap out of a 12yo without harming him too much in case of violent attack, and this wasnt even a violent attack, well what the cop did most certainly was. And hes the victim, fffft.




More of the same nonsense. Neither you nor I was there. The video doesn't tell us shit other than the guy with the camera wasn't very good with it.


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