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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21810128 - 06/15/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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How is it that the rest of the civilized world knows how to police the streets without resorting violence?

Total fatal police shootings/law enforcement homicides per year

United States              930
Canada                        25
Germany                      8
Australia                        5
United Kingdom              2
Japan                            0

- See more at: http://theindependent.ca/2015/04/14/stop-the-killing-fatal-police-shootings-in-canada/#sthash.XrvH0n6t.dpuf

LOL. The article is about stopping the rash of Canadian police shootings. Apparently in other countries 25 is too many per year. That's what the US sees In a week.




Apple to oranges unless they let the worlds cops work here for a year or two.




It probably takes less time to corrupt them.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21810131 - 06/15/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Because he tased the kid, after he had him subdued, that's my judgment.




But clearly not the judgement of someone actually involved in the incident.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: koods]
    #21810136 - 06/15/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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How is it that the rest of the civilized world knows how to police the streets without resorting violence?

Total fatal police shootings/law enforcement homicides per year

United States              930
Canada                        25
Germany                      8
Australia                        5
United Kingdom              2
Japan                            0

- See more at: http://theindependent.ca/2015/04/14/stop-the-killing-fatal-police-shootings-in-canada/#sthash.XrvH0n6t.dpuf

LOL. The article is about stopping the rash of Canadian police shootings. Apparently in other countries 25 is too many per year. That's what the US sees In a week.




Apple to oranges unless they let the worlds cops work here for a year or two.




It probably takes less time to corrupt them.




I knew you couldn't (or wouldn't even try) to go hyperbole free.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21810137 - 06/15/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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This whole thread is ridiculous, it's so obvious that one side cops can do no wrong, and the other side cops can do no right.




What's obvious is that many leap to conclusions without all the information.





Yes it is, but it's also obvious that if you think a kid face who is face down who isn't putting his arms behind his back because he can't and even said he couldn't, should be tased for a second time because of it, and then in the same sentence say everything is 100% fine with this, you have a bias.

Should the cop be fired and have death threats or be forced to resign, no, but if you seriously can't say this was overboard, even just a little, then this whole thread is pointless.




As I've repeatedly said, we don't see the beginning or the end of the confrontation and therefore have no basis to know one way or the other.

If that's bias... I can live with it, though I suggest the purchase of a dictionary might be in your best interest.




I don't care what happened before or after the video, I'm talking about what happened during the video....He tased the kid once, the kid turned onto his stomach incapacitated, the cop then says, put your arms behind you back, the kid states, I can't, the cop then tases him again.....if you think that isn't slightly wrong, you do in fact, have a bias.

I'll look into that dictionary, I'd suggest you look into comprehending what you're reading.




Maybe the cop did violate policy, we don't know. If he did he should be charged, why are you placing judgment without all the details and information of this case?    Maybe the kid had a weapon, maybe he inflicted bodily hard on the cop, we don't know.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21810141 - 06/15/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Everyone else is wrong. The only guy who is right is the guy whose ass and job is on the line. Yeah. No reason to for him to lie. Your willful ignorance is staggering.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: Turtletotem]
    #21810143 - 06/15/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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"The liberal base"

If you stop seeing people as either liberals and conservatives, ie. Them and Us, maybe you'd see a lot further then you do now.

I'm not a liberal nor a progressive. But bad cops are bad cops, I don't need no ideology or religion to tell me right from wrong.

Note how people had to delete all evidence after the fact, luckily someone got the images out.





you cant seem to identify what a bad cop is, you say in all of these
discussions that the cop is bad and that it's murder or wrong or what the fuck
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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: qman]
    #21810144 - 06/15/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There doesn't need to be involvement from me directly to realize right from wrong, him choking and tasing hte kid the first time might of been justified, that isn't the point, he kept tasing him after he was already subdued, that's my argument.

I'll grant you that Qman, for all we know the kid did have a weapon, and if that's the case, I'm wrong, but the kid was clearly subdued in that video, and then the cop tased him again, as of this moment, that cop went overboard IMO. Once he's subdued, he's subdued, anything more is just excessive force and borderline police brutality.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: koods]
    #21810149 - 06/15/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Everyone else is wrong. The only guy who is right is the guy whose ass and job is on the line. Yeah. No reason to for him to lie. Your willful ignorance is staggering.




I didn't say everyone else is wrong or that the cop is right. I've said repeatedly... "we don't know".

You're inability to make a rational, hyperbole free post is staggering.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21810151 - 06/15/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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There doesn't need to be involvement from me directly to realize right from wrong, him choking and tasing hte kid the first time might of been justified, that isn't the point, he kept tasing him after he was already subdued, that's my argument.

I'll grant you that Qman, for all we know the kid did have a weapon, and if that's the case, I'm wrong, but the kid was clearly subdued in that video, and then the cop tased him again, as of this moment, that cop went overboard IMO. Once he's subdued, he's subdued, anything more is just excessive force and borderline police brutality.




But you don't know, which is what the argument is.

Good to have you onboard.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: qman]
    #21810153 - 06/15/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What was the kid doing wrong in the first place? Why was he being detained? If there was no underlying probable cause, the entire arrest attempt was illegal and the cop should be charged. This is one of the main issues at hand nationally... Cops arresting people without probable cause for the original detention. Then people resist and end up getting arrested for resisting (an illegal arrest)


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21810166 - 06/15/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'll grant you that I don't know luvdemshrooms and have to stick with that until more information comes out.

But I have a very hard time believing that any information will come out that a kid whose arms are spread out while facedown and already tased and subdued and not putting his arms behind his back because he stated that he could not, should of been tased again, that part of the video seemed very clear, and only from about 10-15 feet away. I really can't see any kind of information that could come out that would justify him tasing the kid multiple times when you can see his arms spread out and he's face down motionless.


Everything else I won't comment on because as of now I can't know whether the arrest was legitimate.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: koods]
    #21810172 - 06/15/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What was the kid doing wrong in the first place?




Oddly enough, that's what people unwilling to make assumptions have been saying. How is it you don't get that? I'm guessing... too proud to admit you've again beclowned yourself.


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Why was he being detained?




We don't know.


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If there was no underlying probable cause, the entire arrest attempt was illegal and the cop should be charged.




Possibly. We don't know.


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This is one of the main issues at hand nationally... Cops arresting people without probable cause for the original detention. Then people resist and end up getting arrested for resisting (an illegal arrest)




Resist any arrest, right or wrong, and you're as wrong as the cop. Be arrested. Sort it out later.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: koods]
    #21810183 - 06/15/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

the kid's mom reported him as a runaway.  the cop found him in the first place he looked.  supposedly, the kids hand were near his waist or whatever.  the cop claims that he didn't use a chokehold or carotid restraint but that he was just trying to get control of the kid...or whatever.(because chokehold are illegal in ca, and carotid restraint is only legal if lethal force is authorized)


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21810185 - 06/15/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'll grant you that I don't know luvdemshrooms and have to stick with that until more information comes out.




I don't either, which from the beginning, was the point.


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But I have a very hard time believing that any information will come out that a kid whose arms are spread out while facedown and already tased and subdued and not putting his arms behind his back because he stated that he could not, should of been tased again, that part of the video seemed very clear, and only from about 10-15 feet away. I really can't see any kind of information that could come out that would justify him tasing the kid multiple times when you can see his arms spread out and he's face down motionless.




Perhaps not, but that doesn't excuse those who decided from the video that the cop was in the wrong.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21810206 - 06/15/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know whether the cop is fully right or wrong, everything else could of been legitimate and I won't even attempt to attack or justify it because as you said, we don't know what happened to start this whole altercation, but I still personally think he was wrong for continuing to tase the kid, because even from the video that seemed above excessive and completely unnecessary but I guess we'll see.

No need to specify names but the people who think cops are always wrong are just as ridiculous as the ones who always think they're right, judge on an individual basis, and get all the information before doing so unless it's just blatantly overboard.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21810233 - 06/15/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't know whether the cop is fully right or wrong, everything else could of been legitimate and I won't even attempt to attack or justify it because as you said, we don't know what happened to start this whole altercation, but I still personally think he was wrong for continuing to tase the kid, because even from the video that seemed above excessive and completely unnecessary but I guess we'll see.




As I said, I don't know either. I prefer not to judge based on that video. Without the beginning of the confrontation, or better video, I prefer not to judge.


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No need to specify names but the people who think cops are always wrong are just as ridiculous as the ones who always think they're right, judge on an individual basis, and get all the information before doing so unless it's just blatantly overboard.




Yup. Those that do either make fools of themselves. Sadly, there's a great many of those.

Further, I think careful reading is in order by many. Many of the posts that people find to be pro-police are simply the rational among us pointing out that "we don't know".


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21810246 - 06/15/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I actually really respect you and Qman right now to be honest and your position, I think it is fully rational to wait until you have all the information and I personally don't find you pro-police just by stating that, and after rereading a lot of your comments it's obvious you aren't justifying his actions or demonizing him as of yet, simply taking the middle ground until we know more.

ATM at least from the video I watched, I can't comment on anything other then what I saw, and personally think he shouldn't of kept tasing him, but it's irrelevant what I think and I'm sure more information will come to light so I'll hold up on any argument I have with that.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21810252 - 06/15/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

We don't know. Arrest the cop and let the courts figure it out. That's why we have a justice system. There is enough evidence of brutality in the video.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: koods]
    #21810274 - 06/15/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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We don't know. Arrest the cop and let the courts figure it out. That's why we have a justice system.




If the system finds justification, yes. Do that.


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There is enough evidence of brutality in the video.




Except... no. There isn't. Unless it's God or the voices in your head again.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: koods]
    #21810279 - 06/15/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The problem with the we don't know argument, is that it always defers to giving the cop the benefit of the doubt. The benefit of the doubt is a RIGHT guaranteed to citizens, not to agents of the state. As an agent of the state, the cop must prove his actions are constitutional, otherwise his actions are an illegal violation of the citizens constitutional rights. The government (and its agents) do not have the benefit of being innocent until proven guilty.


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