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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: Sheekle]
    #21811268 - 06/15/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Most of the cops I've interacted with seemed halfway decent.

I think there's lots of stupid asshole cops though




Most of the people I've interacted with seemed halfway decent.

I think there's lots of stupid asshole people though.


Cops are people too! Oh my god!!!


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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21811271 - 06/15/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Most of the cops I've interacted with seemed halfway decent.

I think there's lots of stupid asshole cops though




Most of the people I've interacted with seemed halfway decent.

I think there's lots of stupid asshole people though.


Cops are people too! Oh my god!!!



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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: Sheekle]
    #21811279 - 06/15/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Just trying to make a point as stupid as it sounds.

Overall, since you never know how someone is gonna react when you interact with them, it is best to be polite and calm. Same thing goes for when you have a run in with cops.

Don't be an idiot and you will be fine.


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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21811285 - 06/15/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

duh, that's common sense


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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21811300 - 06/15/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Which falls into my category of attacking the cause rather then the effect, fight to abolish drug laws among so many other things, which would immediately drop even the number of police encounters making bad incidents less likely to occur in the first place.

You can have them interact less with the public without ever going after the police, attack the laws that make them invade our everyday lives.

Drug laws alone would basically put half of police out of work if we were to abolish them, people just like to point fingers and act like it's as simple as blaming a single group of people, when many different things contribute.




When the Fraternal Order of Police isn't lobbying for hate crime protection for cops, they are lobbying for stiffer drug penalties and against any legalization. They are the main opponent to legalization efforts.


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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: koods]
    #21811669 - 06/15/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Effect rather then cause, one of my closest friends is a cop, and works in a very high drug trafficking/crime ridden area, he is against drug legalization but solely because he works around drug addicts all day.

Failed drug education is what keeps people against legalization, and the propaganda and fear tactics they use to implement drug laws, makes people biased to the facts. Legalization in all aspects would be an amazing thing, but people think that would cause more addicts, when really it's the shitty system set up that causes more people to use drugs. We have real world proof that legalization is MORE helpful to lowering addiction rates then unregulated drugs controlled by people who don't give a fuck who they are selling to. Portugal and Netherlands I believe are the ones I'm thinking of who fully legalized and the system as a whole improved in almost all aspects.

Apart from that, stop treating addiction/drug use like a crime, and instead treat it as a medical problem, which it is. This way addicts can get the help they need.

I forget what the exact number is, but around 50% or more of the prison population is made up of nonviolent drug offenders. Now if all drugs were legalized, that's 50% less interactions with police, and 50% less chance of people getting "fucked by these low life thug murderers" or whatever you want to call them. The amount of police needed by the US would probably need to be cut because of how much of their workload would be cut.

They can lobby against it all they want, still doesn't make them the problem, a part of the problem, yeah, but not solely to blame. I'm not arguing that police are only right, I'm saying they're not only to blame, the laws and the system itself is what heavily contributes to police interactions and by fighting to change those laws instead of the regulations police abide by, we can tackle multiple problems at the same time.

I know for a fact you're going to refute me so I mind as well just say this is my last comment, I don't think police are perfect, nor do I think they are assholes, because I don't know all of them, the ones I do know are good people and are against drug legalization solely because they think it will cause more problems, which to me means that the problem stems from drug education and the way we as a society look at drugs, instead of being the direct cause of the police, they might contribute to the problem, but I don't think we should act like it only stems from them, and attack the things these problems do stem from first which in turn, would lower police problems all around. So we'll have to agree to disagree since I think there are many factors, and you think there is only one. Which is fine, but I don't care to argue it, and this isn't the thread for it anyway.


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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21811681 - 06/15/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

we dont need cops.

and we really dont need THIS kind of cop


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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: rxb]
    #21811690 - 06/15/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

maybe not this kind of cop, but to say we don't need cops at all. We'll have to agree to disagree on that.


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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21811697 - 06/15/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Effect rather then cause, one of my closest friends is a cop, and works in a very high drug trafficking/crime ridden area, he is against drug legalization but solely because he works around drug addicts all day.

Failed drug education is what keeps people against legalization, and the propaganda and fear tactics they use to implement drug laws, makes people biased to the facts. Legalization in all aspects would be an amazing thing, but people think that would cause more addicts, when really it's the shitty system set up that causes more people to use drugs. We have real world proof that legalization is MORE helpful to lowering addiction rates then unregulated drugs controlled by people who don't give a fuck who they are selling to. Portugal and Netherlands I believe are the ones I'm thinking of who fully legalized and the system as a whole improved in almost all aspects.

Apart from that, stop treating addiction/drug use like a crime, and instead treat it as a medical problem, which it is. This way addicts can get the help they need.

I forget what the exact number is, but around 50% or more of the prison population is made up of nonviolent drug offenders. Now if all drugs were legalized, that's 50% less interactions with police, and 50% less chance of people getting "fucked by these low life thug murderers" or whatever you want to call them. The amount of police needed by the US would probably need to be cut because of how much of their workload would be cut.

They can lobby against it all they want, still doesn't make them the problem, a part of the problem, yeah, but not solely to blame. I'm not arguing that police are only right, I'm saying they're not only to blame, the laws and the system itself is what heavily contributes to police interactions and by fighting to change those laws instead of the regulations police abide by, we can tackle multiple problems at the same time.

I know for a fact you're going to refute me so I mind as well just say this is my last comment, I don't think police are perfect, nor do I think they are assholes, because I don't know all of them, the ones I do know are good people and are against drug legalization solely because they think it will cause more problems, which to me means that the problem stems from drug education and the way we as a society look at drugs, instead of being the direct cause of the police, they might contribute to the problem, but I don't think we should act like it only stems from them, and attack the things these problems do stem from first which in turn, would lower police problems all around. So we'll have to agree to disagree since I think there are many factors, and you think there is only one. Which is fine, but I don't care to argue it, and this isn't the thread for it anyway.




Portugal is decriminalized.

I think full legalization is bad. Honestly if I could go to the store and get 100% pure PCP, LSD, meth and whatever drug I wanted I would do it..

Society could never handle it and you are lying to yourselves if you think that if acid or mushrooms or speed or whatever drug you fancy is legal you would have the self control not to do it.

You can lie to yourself and say no but you are full of shit.


If crack were legal tomorrow I would defs buy some. Most of you probably would too.


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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: rxb]
    #21811701 - 06/15/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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we dont need cops.




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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21811710 - 06/15/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Most people are too immature to actually handle a balanced conversation about cops and the legality of drugs here.


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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21811738 - 06/15/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I statement I can easily agree with.


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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21811762 - 06/15/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The typical socially acceptable mantra about cops in the Pub is "fuck those guys, they should all die, we are better without them".

A politically incorrect opinion in the Pub is more along the lines of "cops are really good people and protect us, they are not perfect and have room to improve". When I say these types of things I am labelled a troll or banned for a few weeks.


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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21811772 - 06/15/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Effect rather then cause, one of my closest friends is a cop, and works in a very high drug trafficking/crime ridden area, he is against drug legalization but solely because he works around drug addicts all day.

Failed drug education is what keeps people against legalization, and the propaganda and fear tactics they use to implement drug laws, makes people biased to the facts. Legalization in all aspects would be an amazing thing, but people think that would cause more addicts, when really it's the shitty system set up that causes more people to use drugs. We have real world proof that legalization is MORE helpful to lowering addiction rates then unregulated drugs controlled by people who don't give a fuck who they are selling to. Portugal and Netherlands I believe are the ones I'm thinking of who fully legalized and the system as a whole improved in almost all aspects.

Apart from that, stop treating addiction/drug use like a crime, and instead treat it as a medical problem, which it is. This way addicts can get the help they need.

I forget what the exact number is, but around 50% or more of the prison population is made up of nonviolent drug offenders. Now if all drugs were legalized, that's 50% less interactions with police, and 50% less chance of people getting "fucked by these low life thug murderers" or whatever you want to call them. The amount of police needed by the US would probably need to be cut because of how much of their workload would be cut.

They can lobby against it all they want, still doesn't make them the problem, a part of the problem, yeah, but not solely to blame. I'm not arguing that police are only right, I'm saying they're not only to blame, the laws and the system itself is what heavily contributes to police interactions and by fighting to change those laws instead of the regulations police abide by, we can tackle multiple problems at the same time.

I know for a fact you're going to refute me so I mind as well just say this is my last comment, I don't think police are perfect, nor do I think they are assholes, because I don't know all of them, the ones I do know are good people and are against drug legalization solely because they think it will cause more problems, which to me means that the problem stems from drug education and the way we as a society look at drugs, instead of being the direct cause of the police, they might contribute to the problem, but I don't think we should act like it only stems from them, and attack the things these problems do stem from first which in turn, would lower police problems all around. So we'll have to agree to disagree since I think there are many factors, and you think there is only one. Which is fine, but I don't care to argue it, and this isn't the thread for it anyway.




Portugal is decriminalized.

I think full legalization is bad. Honestly if I could go to the store and get 100% pure PCP, LSD, meth and whatever drug I wanted I would do it..

Society could never handle it and you are lying to yourselves if you think that if acid or mushrooms or speed or whatever drug you fancy is legal you would have the self control not to do it.

You can lie to yourself and say no but you are full of shit.


If crack were legal tomorrow I would defs buy some. Most of you probably would too.




Imagine a different world, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you probably started drugs in your teens. Now imagine a world where kids are growing up, where drugs are regulated, and controlled, where you actually need an I.D. in order to get them, now say you have to have an age limit of 21.

Now also imagine we properly educate people on drugs, the good, the bad, and zero fear tactics. Will some still get there hands on shit, yeah, but MOST kids would be able to reach the age of consent before presented with the oppurtunity, and will be smart enough to know better.

I would for a fact have the self control not to do heroin, mushrooms I'd do, lsd I'd do, everything I know I can do that wuold be safe, non addicting, and non lifethreatning, I would choose to do, and the others I wouldn't.

It isn't about self control, I'm educated enough about drugs to knwo which ones I would do and why and which ones I wouldn't and why. It's all about drug education and the way the system is set up. We also wouldn't advertise or endorse these drugs, it would just be an option for fully legal adults who own their body and want to engage in a personal choice, which is up to them what to do with their body.

The people who had problems with drugs would probably have harder self control then me, but the newer generations coming up would probably still benefit from it. If anything, maybe not full legilization, but at the very least decriminalize it and set up programs to help addicts rather then prosecute them, which would be my main goal as it would help people who need it, and also lessen the amount of police interactions needed. A win win.


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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21811775 - 06/15/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

we dont need cops and we dont need laws.

there were generations of people who did fine without them.


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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: rxb]
    #21811782 - 06/15/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I can't think of a single society who didn't have some form of law implemented, if you don't mind could you name those ones. I'm not being a dick I really don't know of any.


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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21811794 - 06/15/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Effect rather then cause, one of my closest friends is a cop, and works in a very high drug trafficking/crime ridden area, he is against drug legalization but solely because he works around drug addicts all day.

Failed drug education is what keeps people against legalization, and the propaganda and fear tactics they use to implement drug laws, makes people biased to the facts. Legalization in all aspects would be an amazing thing, but people think that would cause more addicts, when really it's the shitty system set up that causes more people to use drugs. We have real world proof that legalization is MORE helpful to lowering addiction rates then unregulated drugs controlled by people who don't give a fuck who they are selling to. Portugal and Netherlands I believe are the ones I'm thinking of who fully legalized and the system as a whole improved in almost all aspects.

Apart from that, stop treating addiction/drug use like a crime, and instead treat it as a medical problem, which it is. This way addicts can get the help they need.

I forget what the exact number is, but around 50% or more of the prison population is made up of nonviolent drug offenders. Now if all drugs were legalized, that's 50% less interactions with police, and 50% less chance of people getting "fucked by these low life thug murderers" or whatever you want to call them. The amount of police needed by the US would probably need to be cut because of how much of their workload would be cut.

They can lobby against it all they want, still doesn't make them the problem, a part of the problem, yeah, but not solely to blame. I'm not arguing that police are only right, I'm saying they're not only to blame, the laws and the system itself is what heavily contributes to police interactions and by fighting to change those laws instead of the regulations police abide by, we can tackle multiple problems at the same time.

I know for a fact you're going to refute me so I mind as well just say this is my last comment, I don't think police are perfect, nor do I think they are assholes, because I don't know all of them, the ones I do know are good people and are against drug legalization solely because they think it will cause more problems, which to me means that the problem stems from drug education and the way we as a society look at drugs, instead of being the direct cause of the police, they might contribute to the problem, but I don't think we should act like it only stems from them, and attack the things these problems do stem from first which in turn, would lower police problems all around. So we'll have to agree to disagree since I think there are many factors, and you think there is only one. Which is fine, but I don't care to argue it, and this isn't the thread for it anyway.




Portugal is decriminalized.

I think full legalization is bad. Honestly if I could go to the store and get 100% pure PCP, LSD, meth and whatever drug I wanted I would do it..

Society could never handle it and you are lying to yourselves if you think that if acid or mushrooms or speed or whatever drug you fancy is legal you would have the self control not to do it.

You can lie to yourself and say no but you are full of shit.


If crack were legal tomorrow I would defs buy some. Most of you probably would too.




Imagine a different world, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you probably started drugs in your teens. Now imagine a world where kids are growing up, where drugs are regulated, and controlled, where you actually need an I.D. in order to get them, now say you have to have an age limit of 21.

Now also imagine we properly educate people on drugs, the good, the bad, and zero fear tactics. Will some still get there hands on shit, yeah, but MOST kids would be able to reach the age of consent before presented with the oppurtunity, and will be smart enough to know better.

I would for a fact have the self control not to do heroin, mushrooms I'd do, lsd I'd do, everything I know I can do that wuold be safe, non addicting, and non lifethreatning, I would choose to do, and the others I wouldn't.

It isn't about self control, I'm educated enough about drugs to knwo which ones I would do and why and which ones I wouldn't and why. It's all about drug education and the way the system is set up. We also wouldn't advertise or endorse these drugs, it would just be an option for fully legal adults who own their body and want to engage in a personal choice, which is up to them what to do with their body.

The people who had problems with drugs would probably have harder self control then me, but the newer generations coming up would probably still benefit from it. If anything, maybe not full legilization, but at the very least decriminalize it and set up programs to help addicts rather then prosecute them, which would be my main goal as it would help people who need it, and also lessen the amount of police interactions needed. A win win.





You are not everybody. When you think about different situations you got to understand that not everyone is you. I know so many people where having addictive drugs legal would be an instant death wish and that includes myself.

Trust me if you were to sell meth and crack in stores that would get sketchy as fuck so fast. If these drugs were legal like alcohol what would you make the laws regarding these drugs being used around children. I sure as hell would have an issue with a mom shooting up heroin around her kid or doing meth or crack cause it's legal like alcohol is.

Trust me, legalizing drugs is not gonna lead to some happy utopia like you think it is. Society simply cannot handle it and I believe that completely.


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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21811803 - 06/15/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You have a point, it is wrong for me to base things off my own personal actions and decisions. I still think decriminalizing it for users and treating addicts like they have a medical problem rather then treating them as a criminal would be the best course of action though, which I believe you agree with. Though selling it in stores might of been a little far-fetched and naive.


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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21811833 - 06/15/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I can't think of a single society who didn't have some form of law implemented, if you don't mind could you name those ones. I'm not being a dick I really don't know of any.




new york city founded 1624 municipal police founded 1845


the old westerns would have you believe there was always a sheriff its kinda bullshit,

some small towns still have none.

the fact is its bullshit laziness... i'd rather not secure my house so i build a force to do it for me...

which is great until they get out of line.


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I'd be the guy with thousands of minions doing my bidding and all of the hot women locked in a cage for my use.[/quote]


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: rxb] * 1
    #21811886 - 06/15/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I bet if pris got ass raped by a cop he wwould be like "its not the cops fault hes gay and had sexual urges..all I got was a bloody shitbox and he risked his job...HES A HERO!!"


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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