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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: koods]
    #21810821 - 06/15/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well that kid will probably have PTSD for like half of his life from that shit. Fucking power trippin mofos.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: koods]
    #21810827 - 06/15/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

maybe nobody noticed, but as i mentioned previously, CHOKEHOLDS ARE ILLEGAL IN CA.  CAROTID RESTRAINT IS ONLY ALLOWED WHEN DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED.
these restraint techniques often result in serious injury or death.

anyone here trying to say that this situation called for deadly force?


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21810836 - 06/15/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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zZZz said:
Well that kid will probably have PTSD for like half of his life from that shit. Fucking power trippin mofos.




Don't fight or bite cops in the street and you're less likely to get PTSD.
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maybe nobody noticed, but as i mentioned previously, CHOKEHOLDS ARE ILLEGAL IN CA.  CAROTID RESTRAINT IS ONLY ALLOWED WHEN DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED.
these restraint techniques often result in serious injury or death.

anyone here trying to say that this situation called for deadly force?




Biting someone is a serious act of violence, so is wrestling.  No, this situation did not require deadly force, but it most likely required a way to get the suspect under control and in handcuffs


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21810861 - 06/15/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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anyone here trying to say that this situation called for deadly force?




You must have watched the wrong video.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21810862 - 06/15/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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maybe nobody noticed, but as i mentioned previously, CHOKEHOLDS ARE ILLEGAL IN CA.  CAROTID RESTRAINT IS ONLY ALLOWED WHEN DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED.
these restraint techniques often result in serious injury or death.

anyone here trying to say that this situation called for deadly force?




I agree. Shit is ridiculous


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: zZZz]
    #21810866 - 06/15/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So you witnessed what happened before the video started rolling?


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: qman]
    #21810868 - 06/15/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

But isn't that what most people are arguing, you can see in the video, the cop tazes the kid, the kid flips onto his stomach with his arms fully spread out, you can hear the officer say, put your hands behind your back, to which the kid replied, I can't, and the cop responded by tazing him again. In the video at least, the kid was already subdued by the time he tazed him again.

As I said before, if more information comes out I'd be willing to change my mind, but you can clearly see the kid on his stomach with his arms spread saying I can't put my arms behind his back, and then gets tazed again, everything up until that point might of been totally justifiable, and no way for me to know it was or wasn't, but that part, was excessive.


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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: Shroomism]
    #21810870 - 06/15/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

FUCK THE POLICE.  THOSE PSYCHOTIC MOTHER FUCKERS!


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: qman]
    #21810872 - 06/15/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Biting someone is a serious act of violence, so is wrestling.  No, this situation did not require deadly force, but it most likely required a way to get the suspect under control and in handcuffs




probably true.  which is why police are trained in the use of several restraint techniques that don't involve illegal chokeholds.  Should the kid have listened to the cop? sure.  but i'm hving a hard time coming up with an excuse for this particular cop's behavior.  If you can't restrain a child without breaking the law, you shouldn't be a cop. period.

Also, if the allegations of the cop collecting everyone's phones and deleting the videos thereon prove true, it will only solidify his guilt.  After all, if he didn't do anything wrong, why bother deleting the videos?  If the cop was in the right, and knew it, more video evidence could only help to exonerate him.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21810875 - 06/15/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The problem with your argument is the presumption of guilt on the part of the cop. Every individual has the presumption of innocence, not just the ones you find worthy.

I'm embarrassed for you.




If you reread my comments, everything I said says that the cop might or might not of been justified in restraining/detaining/arresting/ anything he was doing, MY argument comes from when you can see the kid undoubtedly subdued, and then tazed again, that is excessive force. I'm not assuming his guilty, just stating my opinion on what I definitively watched. I don't think he should be fired, or put in prison for life, or any of that stupid shit, but IMO he was wrong to keep tazing the kid after the kid was immobilized, everything else i don't care about because I don't have enough information to evne form an opinion on the rest of it.

I'll presume everything he did was 100% justified and correct, until he kept tazing someone who wasn't complying, because he could not and was stating that he could not, that part I saw with my own eyes. That is the only thing I'll assume he is wrong because I watched it and there is almost nothing I can think of that would be able to justify tazing a kid who is already down for the count.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21810889 - 06/15/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

ballsalsa said:
anyone here trying to say that this situation called for deadly force?




You must have watched the wrong video.




you must have low reading comprehension scores. here, let me help you.

Quote:

ballsalsa said:
maybe nobody noticed, but as i mentioned previously, CHOKEHOLDS ARE ILLEGAL IN CA.  CAROTID RESTRAINT IS ONLY ALLOWED WHEN DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED.
these restraint techniques often result in serious injury or death.

anyone here trying to say that this situation called for deadly force?




Quote:

CHOKEHOLDS ARE ILLEGAL IN CA.  CAROTID RESTRAINT IS ONLY ALLOWED WHEN DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED.
these restraint techniques often result in serious injury or death.




Quote:

CHOKEHOLDS ARE ILLEGAL IN CA.  CAROTID RESTRAINT IS ONLY ALLOWED WHEN DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED.
these restraint techniques often result in serious injury or death.




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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21810901 - 06/15/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Its probably a sign if nothing else that the cop proves to be a loose cannon.  I cant think of too many burly 12 year old skate boarders.  I didnt see the video though.

The cop should have just shot him, then he'd get off scott free without question..


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21810907 - 06/15/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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The problem with your argument is the presumption of guilt on the part of the cop. Every individual has the presumption of innocence, not just the ones you find worthy.

I'm embarrassed for you.




If you reread my comments, everything I said says that the cop might or might not of been justified in restraining/detaining/arresting/ anything he was doing, MY argument comes from when you can see the kid undoubtedly subdued, and then tazed again, that is excessive force. I'm not assuming his guilty, just stating my opinion on what I definitively watched. I don't think he should be fired, or put in prison for life, or any of that stupid shit, but IMO he was wrong to keep tazing the kid after the kid was immobilized, everything else i don't care about because I don't have enough information to evne form an opinion on the rest of it.

I'll presume everything he did was 100% justified and correct, until he kept tazing someone who wasn't complying, because he could not and was stating that he could not, that part I saw with my own eyes. That is the only thing I'll assume he is wrong because I watched it and there is almost nothing I can think of that would be able to justify tazing a kid who is already down for the count.




I didn't say that to you. In see the the post says re:you but that was not my intent.

Edit: Fixed the earlier post. Sorry for any confusion.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21810919 - 06/15/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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anyone here trying to say that this situation called for deadly force?




You must have watched the wrong video.




you must have low reading comprehension scores. here, let me help you.]




Nope. I'm just able to watch the video and realize there's non way to tell if a chokehold or cartoid restraint was used.


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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21810922 - 06/15/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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FUCK THE POLICE.  THOSE PSYCHOTIC MOTHER FUCKERS!





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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: zZZz]
    #21810928 - 06/15/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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FUCK THE POLICE.  THOSE PSYCHOTIC MOTHER FUCKERS!





Bout time someone said it




It was inevitable that someone would say something so stupid.


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Re: Psychotic cop chokes and tases a 12 year old skater, deletes evidence, claims to be a victim [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21810986 - 06/15/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If anything the problem isn't the police directly, there is no way it could possibly be so black and white. If the majority of police are/seem to be out of control, it is many factors and variables that contribute to it. Stemming anywhere from the way the society is operated, to the way they're trained, to the bullshit laws they still have to uphold even if they were to disagree with them.

The police may be part of the problem, but they aren't the cause, attack the cause, not the effect.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21811026 - 06/15/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Nope. I'm just able to watch the video and realize there's non way to tell if a chokehold or cartoid restraint was used.





well, you should try watching the video again. pause it at 1:08 and you will see quite clearly, that the cop is attempting a carotid restraint on the child.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21811041 - 06/15/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You don't see what happened before that, the kid might of tried tackling the cop for all we know since the video starts after it already started, he might of only been trying to subdue the kid at that point and had no better way to do so. You can see he tazed the kid after he is down, that is the only questionable thing here, and there might of been a reason for that as well, I can't think of one, but I can't say I know there isn't one.

If someone came swinging full force at me, I doubt a court would convict me for getting him in a chokehold if that's how I had to stop him solely because they're illegal to do, I'm sure even a court can recognize self-defense. That's not what's questionable here.


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Re: Psychotic cop brutalizes chokes and tases a 12 year old skater kid, then claims to be a victim [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21811044 - 06/15/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That kid was resisting so much he deserved to be tazed.


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