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ken57345
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Disappointed
#21808891 - 06/15/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Had a somewhat positive experience yesterday but can't say the same today. Took 4 feet of San Pedro yesterday, chopped it up, boiled and strained, repeated, etc.... Took all of the liquid that came out of the strainer and put it in a pot to boil down to have a more concentrated solution. Boiled it down to about 29 oz. I went to drink it, one 6 oz cup at a time, but threw up after only getting through half of the first 6 oz cup. I then managed to finish the rest of that first cup (so only ended up getting down about 3 or 4 oz.
About two hours later I started to feel the effects. They were somewhat mild, but definitely noticible. I'd compare to a 75ug dose of acid (but of course with a more mild feeling).
I knew I couldn't go through drinking any more of that stuff, so I decided to boil it down even more. Once it started getting close to the consistency of hash I decided to let it finish by air drying (I didn't want to burn it).
It didn't really finish air drying, but it's an oily sticky mess. Similar to hash. Like taffy.
I just ate it all about 4 hours ago and haven't felt a dam thing. I know that it takes a while to kick in relative to other things, but even last night I was feeling it after two hours.
I know the alkaloid content is good. Like I said, I had about 3 or 4 oz of the tea yesterday and the remaining 25 or so oz is what I just consumed.
What's your all's thoughts on this? Is it possible that the body can't easily digest this stuff in the gooey taffy like form (is it like a balloon in the stomach where the inside is protected from digestion). Maybe boiling it down destroyed the alkaloids? But even then with the small relative portion I had yesterday compared to today that doesn't really make sense to me.
I'm stumped, confused, and disappointed.
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Re: Disappointed [Re: ken57345]
#21808916 - 06/15/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Heat degradation possibly? I have read back and forth info regarding that with the making of tars but seems most logical to me.
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Re: Disappointed [Re: ken57345]
#21808965 - 06/15/15 01:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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serioulsy, getting pedro twice in 2 days?
Also,thread is probably in the wrong section.
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I totally spaced that part too, the 2 days in a row thing probably played a factor too.
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the 2 days in a row thing probably played a factor too.
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Re: Disappointed (moved) [Re: ken57345]
#21809612 - 06/15/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from The Ethnobotanical Garden.
Reason: OT for the garden
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ken57345
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I'm thinking it was heat degeneration too. I found an old textbook from the 50s that was written by a few scientists before the whole Controlled Substances Act came about. It provided instructions to doctors and chemists on how to extract mescaline (through chemical means) from the cactus. While that's not what I was going for exactly, I found it interesting that the article says to dry the cacti at 40-60C. While a lot of other stuff I have read says the active alkaloids can withstand high temperatures, I question why the textbook said 40-60C, unless there is degeneration at higher temps.
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ken57345
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lol, yeah, twice in two days, but the first day was a minimal experience, and it was the weekend, so I had another day.
While I took the law of diminishing returns into consideration before hand, since I had such a small amount the first day I thought that increasing the amount eight fold would surely work.
As a side note, I had a memorable experience several years back. I came across what seemed like an endless supply of P. Cubensis, so I did what any 18 or so year old would do, ate them non stop. 1/4 a day (1/8th in the morning and the same again once later in the day)7 days a week for about two weeks. Didn't miss a day. I know it is said that a tolerance builds up quick to such things, but I found from that experience that after two weeks I was just as FD up as I was the first day.
There was two things I found that changed over that two week time period though. The first day I felt it was more noticeable because I went from being sane (or at least as sane as I am on any given day), to tripping balls. I mean relative to the day before I was out of my mind. After two weeks though, it felt normal to be fucked up, because that was relative to the the day before, and every day before that, I was in the same condition.
The other difference that changed over that two week time period was the type of trip. It started out with elated feelings, patterns, colors, visuals, etc., over the two week period the patterns almost disappeared, the colors were still equally heightened compared to the first day (colors seemed more fluorescent), but again, that started to feel normal since I was experiencing that every day. It wasn't till I stopped eating them that I realized that the fluorescent colors were going away and I had still been tripping in that sense. The elated feeling that I started out with at the beginning of the two week trip changed to the opposite over time. It developed into a severe depression and anxiety. The last day of the two week mushroom binge I found myself on the top of 100 ft cliff for 5 hours considering taking a leap... I was freaking out, felt like I was in a semi conscious dream, and thought that I was permanently mentally fucked. I haven't touched a mushroom since, and it took a year after that for me to start feeling normal again.
In sum, I feel like when a tolerance builds up to hallucinogens the effects are just as strong, but the way that those effects manifest themselves change. In the case of my mushroom experience it was from a positive to a negative, with less visual patterns and elated feelings over time, but to an equally fucked up, but negative, condition.
My initial post that I started with in this thread went from a weak trip, to feeling absolutely nothing in just 24 hours with a dose that should have been 8X as potent. Leads me to believe that it was heat degeneration of some kind. Even with the mushroom experience the elated feelings lasted for about 3 days (of course gradually fading over those three days before the depression and anxiety started).
Also, sorry, I wasn't sure what section to put it in. I see that an admin just moved it to an experiences form, but I didn't think that that's where it initially belonged since I thought it more as a chem process question.
Thanks again for the input!
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Re: Disappointed [Re: ken57345]
#21811379 - 06/15/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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From what I have read on mescaline and extractions I believe the alkaloids while in the cactus are more heat resistant in whatever form they are in.
When extracting you will be changing the form of the alkaloids potentially making them more susceptible to heat.
Also most psychedelics share some receptors at least and as so can cause cross tolerances. Every drug will build up some sort of tolerance over time.
Even if you barely felt it the first day it was probably enough to bring your tolerance up, at least somewhat.
That combined with potential degradation could have caused it.
I don't see how you can claim the mushrooms effects did not diminish when you say right there over the two weeks the patterns went away.
Patterns are probably one of the most common effects of mushrooms and tryptamines in general so that definitely sounds like considerable loss of effects.
Makes sense you would stay in a semi tripping state too since you were eating them so much. One super strong experience can take days to weeks to fade away
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ken57345
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I agree with that. What I meant was what you said in your last sentence though. When easting them, even after two weeks, it kept me in an altered state, even though the state was different from the first day, there was still an effect from them, unlike with the San Pedro.
I definitely agree that all of those things probably had at least some impact on my experience. I just mean to say that the heat degradation I think was definitely a factor
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