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Tomandjerry58
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Willing to do a collaborative extraction and consumption to better the community?
#21808559 - 06/14/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Recently I discovered a new way to extract that parallels the lemon tek but removes the solids. Is anyone willing to do a report on this or actually try it?
Most likely will cost around 10 dollars in material if mushrooms are available. And a little bit of your time.
I welcome all entries. But the rules are that you have to be descriptive on the extraction.
Heat type of water type of acid used type of filter used time frame level of intensity
The idea is to be as descriptive as possible so we can eliminate ridiculous myths and really learn how to make this compound water soluble.
Hope someone jumps on board!!
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Re: Willing to do a collaborative extraction and consumption to better the community? [Re: Tomandjerry58] 1
#21809235 - 06/15/15 04:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It sounds just like you wanna make tea...
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Re: Willing to do a collaborative extraction and consumption to better the community? [Re: Achillita]
#21809615 - 06/15/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well yea tea could be made. The idea is to get away form the "tek" or "recipe". And create a guideline to the food science associated with the action here. It seems as if people go into this blindly without science to back it up.
Although a great colorful picture, it seems that we may be able to do better than this.
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Re: Willing to do a collaborative extraction and consumption to better the community? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#21809632 - 06/15/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, if you want I'll put down my recipe on how I make tea. There's probably ways to increase the potency of the tea by reducing the volume of water. That is without using heat.
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Re: Willing to do a collaborative extraction and consumption to better the community? [Re: Achillita]
#21809670 - 06/15/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That would be great if you would do this. Try to be as detailed as possible hitting most of these Heat type of water type of acid used type of filter used time frame level of intensity And any other things you can think of.
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Re: Willing to do a collaborative extraction and consumption to better the community? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#21809770 - 06/15/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I powder the shrooms and stick them in a coffee filter that is tied up with a piece of string at the top. I put 1 cup of water for every 5 grams of mushrooms. Add the juice of either a lemon or a lime. Heat the water until it gets to a boil. Turn down the heat to low-medium. Throw in the coffee filter of shrooms. I let it simmer slightly for 10 minutes. Occasionally I'll squish the bag so it keeps extracting. I take the bag out and squeeze all the excess liquid out of the mushies. If the bag rips(and it does when you squeeze to hard) I will let any small mushroom peices settle to the bottom and slowly decant the liquid. If I am making a large batch I then measure each dose and freeze them individually. If it's for immediate use I just down then. Overall time should take around 20 minutes maybe more if you're slow.
After that you could reduce the liquid if you wanted to make it more potent, but I'd suggest finding a way to reduce it relatively fast without much heat.
Oh and the tea is pretty potent. It comes on fast, almost instantly. And it's really easy to down.
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Re: Willing to do a collaborative extraction and consumption to better the community? [Re: Achillita]
#21809941 - 06/15/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So we got 236 ml of water, and heating to a boil them back to low medium. I would guess that's atleast gotta be 170-200f(76c-93c).
Any idea on the amount of lime/lemon juice. 1 lime/lemon or 2,3?
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Re: Willing to do a collaborative extraction and consumption to better the community? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#21809951 - 06/15/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Usually just 1 seems to work just fine. I also add sugar right before I store it. It makes it easier to drink down.
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Re: Willing to do a collaborative extraction and consumption to better the community? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#21810503 - 06/15/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
preschooler said: Recently I discovered a new way to extract that parallels the lemon tek but removes the solids. Is anyone willing to do a report on this or actually try it?
Most likely will cost around 10 dollars in material if mushrooms are available. And a little bit of your time.
I welcome all entries. But the rules are that you have to be descriptive on the extraction.
Heat type of water type of acid used type of filter used time frame level of intensity
The idea is to be as descriptive as possible so we can eliminate ridiculous myths and really learn how to make this compound water soluble.
Hope someone jumps on board!!
Citric acid to about 4% of extraction water + simmer a couple minutes + steep 10 minutes + strain works every time and extracts all the actives.
My tea tek says it better and has for years now.
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Re: Willing to do a collaborative extraction and consumption to better the community? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21813511 - 06/16/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's exactly what I was looking for. The water ratio/citric acid would pose to be slightly difficult but easily fixed with a ph measurement. You describe it perfectly and im sure I could pull that off.I like how your positive that it gets all the actives, because I was sure of it too.
Its safe to say that the citric acid is working in the favor of the extraction. Not only helping but determining the yield/potency of psilo at the end.
The two huge questions that surface.
Is this psilocin citrate? or is it psilocybin citrate? And from the looks of it, the subject has long been argued and discussed. The only way to answer this question is with a gc/ms analysis.
One thing is certain, the resulting tea is much more potent than normal consumption. The lemon tek would be great for beginners. But im sure now that the pulp can be completely removed with the addition of heat to the extraction. Nausea is also going to lowered since there is no indigestible material.
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Re: Willing to do a collaborative extraction and consumption to better the community? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#21814287 - 06/16/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What do you mean, difficult? You just weigh out the right amount of powdered citric acid for the volume of water - as I describe in the tek.
I know it gets all the actives because I've attempted to extract the residue a second time and got exactly nothing.
I doubt there's any chemical reaction to the actives like you suggest, because ANY acid (acetic, HCl) will work - but check through this study (where I got the idea for the citric acid in the first place) and I'm sure he covers it. http://www.lycaeum.org/leda/docs/16311.shtml?ID=16311
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Re: Willing to do a collaborative extraction and consumption to better the community? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21814475 - 06/16/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe difficult is strong word but the differences in water ratio. Or how much water to use since the fresh contains and retains water. Obviously one can smooth the liquid out in the end.
Did some test of your mix following 1:50 with 100 ml? I took 100 grams as 100 ml of water
Added 40 ml of water to make up for the water in the fungi with a result of 1-2 ph
 
Same amount of citric for 500ml and 1000 ml. From the looks they are both still under 4

THis is ball fruit fresh, mix of ascorbic and citric(1.5g)in 500ml
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Re: Willing to do a collaborative extraction and consumption to better the community? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#21814915 - 06/16/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I may have said something wrong in the last post but it's correct in the tek - you take the weight of the fungi + the tiny amount of water you need to start boiling going (this is for fresh) and go for whatever the % is of acid (about 1:50). I don't add much water - just a bit in the pan with the citric acid, and toss the chopped shrooms in there, then straight to heat with stirring. They give up water as soon as they get close to boiling and that's what finishes the process. But you want the acid in there from the beginning, very important.
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Re: Willing to do a collaborative extraction and consumption to better the community? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21814989 - 06/16/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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SOunds good
Been reading through the article you linked. Some interesting points c.b. gold "I use an acetic acid-water extraction solution to help extract the psilocin and psilocybin more completely and also, to lower the pH so that the active tryptamines will be more stable. Without the acetic acid the solution will quickly react with atmospheric oxygen in the presence of endogenous enzymes to form a strong blue product and in the process destroy some of the psilocybin/psilocin."
"Apparently, others have also found that a dilute acetic acid solution is an excellent solvent for both psilocin and psilocy- bin. Not only does the solution completely extract both trypta- mines but the solution extracts other interfering substances to a lesser degree. Casale also notes that if one heats the extrac- tion solution of dilute acetic acid to 70 degrees centigrade for ten minutes, then the psilocybin is completely converted by dephosphorylation to psilocin.(5)"
"I have found on my own that heating the acetic acid solution eliminated whatever bluing reaction was occurring in the enzyme denaturing environment of the low pH extraction solu- tion. That psilocybin is converted to psilocin is a plus, too. It means that the color reaction will form a more pure color and is therefore easier to interpret the test results. Besides measuring the color of the developed reagent when it has stabilized somewhat, it is also important to measure a sample of the mushroom extraction as soon as possible. The dilute acetic acid slows the degradation of the psilocin-like tryptamines but does not totally inhibit this degradation. The longer you wait to perform the test on your sample, the lower the value will be. I found the reduction to be approximately 10% after 20 hours. Interestingly, the greater the concentration of active tryptamines as measured on a fresh sample, the greater the effect of time in reducing the apparent concentration."
"As noted in the article on harvesting and storage, some ions
will interfere with the color development of the DMAB. In
particular, my experience shows that the bisulfate ion inhibits
the reaction. Sodium bisulfite can be an alternative to vitamin
C as an antioxidant and enzyme inhibitor for mushroom
storage."
All great points that Ive never seen published anywhere else.
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