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DMT help...melting ah!
    #21807612 - 06/14/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So this girl I know sent me some very fine crystals in the mail for me to try because im a good friend.

problem is, when they got here, the crystals melted completely. 98% of the dmt is gone...nowhere to be found. Of course shes upset and I am disappointed.

she wants to try it one more time but doesn't want this problem again...so I told her I would ask you guys.


Any solution to this? the crystals were in capsules


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21807625 - 06/14/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've mailed in capsules and never had a problem with melting. Could try a vial.


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Icon]
    #21807677 - 06/14/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

is there anyway to keep the vial cool?

it comes from florida so the heat is certainly a factor..its 2 day shipping so its not like its just sitting around in the heat for long periods of time


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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Icon]
    #21807682 - 06/14/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Have her buy a $5 non stick container for concentrates. I have some dmt/nmt goo that i store in those and have never had a problem getting it out or losing it.

A vial could work, but it might be a pain to get all of it out.


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21807689 - 06/14/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
is there anyway to keep the vial cool?

it comes from florida so the heat is certainly a factor..its 2 day shipping so its not like its just sitting around in the heat for long periods of time




If it is in a perfectly sealed container, it can't escape. you shouldn't need to keep it cool because you can just throw it in the freezer when you get it to re solidify


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: thehoff117]
    #21807838 - 06/14/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If its melted im pretty sure its spreadout inside the capsule. No way it would have evaporated out of the capsule.


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: qweqaz] * 1
    #21808741 - 06/14/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Just tell her to dissolve it in alcohol or naphtha so its a solution then you can evaporate it when it gets to you


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: sbc1]
    #21809648 - 06/15/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with the thehoff, no-stick silicone concentrate container and then have your friend vacuum seal the container. The only thing I worry about with diluting in alcohol at least is the unknown content that isn't alcohol (assuming we're using something like PGA, in which about 5% of the contents aren't alcohol) not coming off when trying to resolidify material.


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: bipittybop_baDOW]
    #21809654 - 06/15/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

im trying to receive powder, remember, not oil.

So I should still go with the non-stick container to ensure the powder wont melt?

the goal is to make the powder/crystals stay perfectly intact in hot climate


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I do not know its name; I call it tao.
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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
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Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21809853 - 06/15/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

DMT has a pretty low melting point, no way to avoid it unless you shipped it like a perishable food item. Either way though, even if the DMT crystal melts and turns to a goo, it should be the exact same substance as it was previously, just the form factor is different. That's why he's saying put it into one of those silicon dab containers so if/when it does melt, the goo is very easy to extract from the container.


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: daytripper05]
    #21810642 - 06/15/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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DMT has a pretty low melting point, no way to avoid it unless you shipped it like a perishable food item. Either way though, even if the DMT crystal melts and turns to a goo, it should be the exact same substance as it was previously, just the form factor is different. That's why he's saying put it into one of those silicon dab containers so if/when it does melt, the goo is very easy to extract from the container.




Exactly. And i am not 100% sure about this, but im pretty sure if they were crystals to begin with and melt, they can be re solidified in the freezer. But either way, even dmt crystals can be super sticky sometimes, so the concentrate container is perfect.


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21810883 - 06/15/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You could ship it in a cooler :shrug:


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21811139 - 06/15/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So a vile wouldn't work?


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21811262 - 06/15/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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So a vile wouldn't work?




I always have trouble with my crystals melting on me as soon as I step outside. I remember my friend wanted to smoke some so I decided to walk to his 15 minutes away. By the time I got to his house 300mg melted inside my vial and We had to take dabs of an unknown amount.

I wish I didn't live somewhere so hot.


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: daytripper05] * 1
    #21811882 - 06/15/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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DMT has a pretty low melting point, no way to avoid it unless you shipped it like a perishable food item. Either way though, even if the DMT crystal melts and turns to a goo, it should be the exact same substance as it was previously, just the form factor is different.






^this....






Was the dmt just dumped loosely into the envelope?....I've had it melt completely inside a capsule around 90 degrees or so, I just placed it back inside at room temp for a few hours, opened the cap and gave it a squeeze and the solid chunk fell out.







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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: openmind]
    #21811892 - 06/15/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't want goo. I want the crystals just as they were when they were sent.


Is there anyway to accomplish this?


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21811906 - 06/15/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's pretty simple here. If you wanted to mail someone ice cubes in a specific shape and it melts during transport, is the water that you refreeze going to be in the same shape? Only way to avoid it is to prevent the crystals from melting in the first place.

Melting point of pure DMT is 40 °C (104 °F).


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: daytripper05]
    #21811945 - 06/15/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

that's what im trying to do.

what can my friend do to make sure the crystals do not melt to begin with?


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It's just a shot away..


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21811965 - 06/15/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Bill, i got it!

Insulate!

place a DMT vial *inside* a container of honey. Honey should be an excellent insulator.


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21811971 - 06/15/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Bill, i got it!

Insulate!

place a DMT vial *inside* a container of honey. Honey should be an excellent insulator.





Can anyone confirm if this will work!?

So I just open up a jar of honey, and stuff the vile through the honey, then close the jar, and send?


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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
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It's just a shot away..


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21811991 - 06/15/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thats the idea.

I think it will work, never done it thou.

Ideally, u want a framework of some sort to keep the vial fixed in the middle of the jar so its not bouncing around inside the jar. Use a plastic vial if possible to prevent breakage.

honey is thick which means it resists heat.

You could use any thick syrup, like Karo or maple syrup.  Should work the same.

Then put the syrup/honey in a small vacuum thermos! That would be the ultimate.


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21812004 - 06/15/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i do not have one, so could i just vacuum seal the honey and wrap it in bubble tape or something?


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I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
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It's just a shot away..


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21812363 - 06/15/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wrap it in styrofoam wrap, if u can find it. Styrofoam is a great insulator.


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21813244 - 06/16/15 01:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Thats the idea.

I think it will work, never done it thou.

Ideally, u want a framework of some sort to keep the vial fixed in the middle of the jar so its not bouncing around inside the jar. Use a plastic vial if possible to prevent breakage.

honey is thick which means it resists heat.

You could use any thick syrup, like Karo or maple syrup.  Should work the same.

Then put the syrup/honey in a small vacuum thermos! That would be the ultimate.



Quote:

LogicaL Chaos said:
Wrap it in styrofoam wrap, if u can find it. Styrofoam is a great insulator.




I think this is a great idea. It'll be messy but you will be able to lick your vial clean. And honey is bomb.

Another idea, is to ship it like they ship fish to sushi restaurants. They use styrofoam boxes and blocks of dry ice. Keeps the fish just fine without any meltage of ice.


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21813539 - 06/16/15 06:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How do i find the right styrofoam and dry ice?


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All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21813541 - 06/16/15 06:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Can i just take the lazy way out and wrap the vial in tin foil then shove it down in the depths of a jar of honey then vscuum seal the jar? Would you guys bet on this working?


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
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All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21813897 - 06/16/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds good.

Make sure to stuff some kind of packing material. It will help protect the jar and insulate it from heat.


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21814200 - 06/16/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ah fuck...she just sent it out.

she put it in a box then an envelope with bubble wrap


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21814202 - 06/16/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Would Fluff work better than honey?


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All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21814469 - 06/16/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:offtopic: But did you not have a thread about how good you were getting at extracting DMT? Its just odd if you already have some why you would  want to get more from your friend. But about your problem I used to ship ice cream in the mail I just added dry ice to a package I think it's illegal to do that but I never had problems with it.


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21814810 - 06/16/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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:offtopic: But did you not have a thread about how good you were getting at extracting DMT? Its just odd if you already have some why you would  want to get more from your friend. But about your problem I used to ship ice cream in the mail I just added dry ice to a package I think it's illegal to do that but I never had problems with it.



I don't think it would be illegal to use dry ice in the mail. Many people use the dry ice, meat companies ship meat like that. When I was a kid my parents would randomly get 'Omaha steaks' or something like that in big styrofoam boxes filled with dry ice. And they always let me play with the ice in the neighborhood. Making little water bottle bombs with them or putting it in a drink and making it all steamy.


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21814830 - 06/16/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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:offtopic: But did you not have a thread about how good you were getting at extracting DMT? Its just odd if you already have some why you would  want to get more from your friend. But about your problem I used to ship ice cream in the mail I just added dry ice to a package I think it's illegal to do that but I never had problems with it.





we trade batches time to time for the hell of it, we like trying out eachothers products, even though I haven't smoked it in decent amount of time..


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Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21814833 - 06/16/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I just wouldn't know where to get dry ice and the Styrofoam and all that


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All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21814893 - 06/16/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I just wouldn't know where to get dry ice and the Styrofoam and all that



Grocery stores should have it. I would call first so you don't make a bunch of trips, it seems like something that wouldn't be everywhere.


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21815431 - 06/16/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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ah fuck...she just sent it out.

she put it in a box then an envelope with bubble wrap




Well, in that case, your friend is getting some liquid goo in an envelope :shrug:


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #21817859 - 06/17/15 06:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No i mean she put it in a vile..wrapped it in ton foil then put it in honey THEN a box THEN an envelope


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21818127 - 06/17/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

OHHH.

Ok. I think youre good then :thumbup:


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21820854 - 06/17/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ask for dry ice from a local ice cream shop, not a B-robbins or another big chain. You can find foam sheets at a local hardware store in the packing section for cheap, then put that in a double insulated bubble wrap envelope! Insulated like that in a silicone dab container should work wonders to get the stuff through the heat.


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: WindWisperer]
    #21820868 - 06/17/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think dry ice would work perfect plus leaves no mess like honey


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21821190 - 06/17/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

oh bill o'reilly oh bill oh riley i saw a seen the outher night of lornce lorance waits


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    #21821237 - 06/17/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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oh bill o'reilly oh bill oh riley i saw a seen the outher night of lornce lorance waits




It seems like that brew worked out well for you!


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: WindWisperer]
    #21823636 - 06/18/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Idk what I was talking about sorry man I had some aya and was being weird something about assassins creed black flag and bill o'reilly


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21823664 - 06/18/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

your spice didnt just dissapear dude, drop the capsules in some warm naptha and it will magically re-appear


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Re: DMT help...melting ah! [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21825197 - 06/18/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Idk what I was talking about sorry man I had some aya and was being weird something about assassins creed black flag and bill o'reilly




It's good dude, I was actually wondering if that song is what you were referring to! ACBF is a badass game.


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