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mushmello
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Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions
#21807521 - 06/14/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Does anybody know if shipping in hot weather does any harm to shroom grow kits? I'm talking about the ones that already have the spores in them. What temps should be avoided during shipping?
I'm new to growing. I'm planning to buy an EZ Grow kit from Homestead. I've read good things about them. My concern is that where I live, we're getting into temperatures between 95 & 105 degrees. I don't know if grow kits with the spores already in the bag are more or less vulnerable to hot shipping weather than syringes or prints.
I also found out that UPS trucks are about 20 degrees hotter than the air temp so when people say what temps spores can handle (let's say 105 degrees) are we talking literally 105 or are we talking 105 air temp + 20 more inside the truck = 125? I guess I should also ask how long they need to be exposed to the threshhold temp. Just briefly? several hours?
Another slight concern is how clean my room needs to be. I've read that if I'm growing from scratch so to speak, my room should be dust free but I'm not sure I should be concerned about that using an EZ Grow kit.
Thanks
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Re: Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions [Re: mushmello]
#21807581 - 06/14/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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First thing first, you wasted your money on the grow kit. I'm positive you could about half the money you spent on the grow kit and buy everything you need. I'm sure the things in the kit are said to come "pre-starile" ? I wouldn't trust it. You need to search around on here and find the materials you need to learn and progress in this hobby. Nothing is this hobby is fast or easy. If you have the determination and can use the search function you'll be ok after this.
People fall pray to the company's out there trying to pray on the new eager mycologist, so don't be too upset.
You don't know if it comes with a syringe or not? I'm not sure I understand?
Believe me, you aren't the only one on this website using UPS in the middle of summer. I wouldn't worry about that.
Yes everything has to be clean and sterile or you will fail over and over man! That's the most important thing. Even with some grows under my belt i still get trich on a tub or two every so often. You need a SAB and a PC ( still air box and pressure cooker).
With a kit you arent going to learn anything or have good results. You need to spend your time reading TEK's and reading other people grows and what they did and didnt do.
Good luck
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Re: Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions [Re: Th3Issu3]
#21811281 - 06/15/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for your advice. I haven't ordered the kit yet. There are no syringes in the kit. Here is a good description of how the kit works by someone who used one and talked about it on rollitup.org. http://www.rollitup.org/t/anyone-tried-ez-gro-kit-from-homestead.29409/page-3
He says You take the rye pack and undo a twisty tie like section to drop the spore swab tip into the rye berries, then shake the hell out of it and sit it someplace dark and 80 degress for a while. Mine took about 6-7 weeks for the bag to turn white. Then you break the rye berries up and pour them into a 3# compost bag they send with the kit that has some kind of filter patch on it to allow it to breath. You seal that bag with a couple staples and shake the hell out of it and flatten it down and leave it sit in same conditions.
Here is the url for the EZ Grow kit too if you're interested. http://www.homesteadbook.com/store/ez-gro-mushroomkit-p-141.html
I'm sure many people order spores during the summer but I don't how many of them live in climates that typically reach around 105 and spend a day or so inside a UPS or USPS truck that add an extra 20 degrees and if so then were their spores still alive?
Some of us have very busy lives and don't have time to learn another skill or hobby and don't have a nice sterile environment to work in so for us it's worth the extra money to use an EZ Grow kit.
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Re: Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions [Re: mushmello]
#21811293 - 06/15/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Check out PFTek and SGFC (shotgun fruiting chamber) on here. Save some money- get better results. If you still really want the kit- at least build a SGFC to birth it into. I did one of those once- they cot huge but we're gasping for air and ran out of moisture.
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Re: Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions [Re: mushmello]
#21811315 - 06/15/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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are you seriously thinking of buying that stuff? I can send you pre-contaminated grains and a swab of spores half the price of that  oh yeah and you can get a "super grow 4ever mega secret ultimate ingredient" compost mix too if you buy now
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Re: Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions [Re: spacechildo]
#21811450 - 06/15/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bad idea man. Get a pressure cooker(80$), 12 pack wide mouth jars(15$), 20 pound bag of wild bird seed(7$), 2 spore syringes(22$) = 124$. Still less than that grow kit. And you have many chances at succeeding rather than wasting all that money for a kit that might not work. Big waste of money IMO. You can't expect people to do the work for you. Read ALL the steps necessary for bulk growing to feel confident about getting started. You'll feel a lot more satisfied about your grow knowing that you did everything yourself. Trust me, it's worth the time.
And here's a good link for first time bulk growing. Really easy pictorial from start to finish. https://www.shroomology.org/topic/8670-6-quart-dub-tub-mist-and-fan-bulk-tek/
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Re: Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21811486 - 06/15/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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disregard easy way out, acquire skill.
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Th3Issu3
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Re: Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions [Re: bodhisatta]
#21811595 - 06/15/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you really don't want to take the time to learn how to grow them and what you really need to do i would suggest that you find some one with some and just buy them. You'll most likely get more for your money for the price you will pay for the kit and the amount you will harvest. Plus you don't have to worry about messing something up.
I'm sure most people on here work. I work 55 + hours a week and still find time. Id say the thing that takes the longest is the 12-24 hour soak which you don't do anything but let it sit. Pressure cooking takes 90 minutes, than you let it cool down overnight. Nothing too crazy man. This hobby cant really be rushed man. If it is, it wont come out right. Trust me
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Re: Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions [Re: spacechildo]
#21811612 - 06/15/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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spacechildo said:

are you seriously thinking of buying that stuff? I can send you pre-contaminated grains and a swab of spores half the price of that  oh yeah and you can get a "super grow 4ever mega secret ultimate ingredient" compost mix too if you buy now 
you cant call your self a cultivator if you buy that shit lol. its like these bitches saying they are models and having to pay a photographer hahah!!!
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Re: Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions [Re: Shroom Kitty]
#21811623 - 06/15/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shroom Kitty said:
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spacechildo said:

are you seriously thinking of buying that stuff? I can send you pre-contaminated grains and a swab of spores half the price of that  oh yeah and you can get a "super grow 4ever mega secret ultimate ingredient" compost mix too if you buy now 
you cant call your self a cultivator if you buy that shit lol. its like these bitches saying they are models and having to pay a photographer hahah!!! 
Every one knows a bitch like that too! funny...
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Re: Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions [Re: Th3Issu3]
#21812048 - 06/15/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Th3Issu3 said: If you really don't want to take the time to learn how to grow them and what you really need to do i would suggest that you find some one with some and just buy them. You'll most likely get more for your money for the price you will pay for the kit and the amount you will harvest. Plus you don't have to worry about messing something up.
I'm sure most people on here work. I work 55 hours a week and still find time. Id say the thing that takes the longest is the 12-24 hour soak which you don't do anything but let it sit. Pressure cooking takes 90 minutes, than you let it cool down overnight. Nothing too crazy man. This hobby cant really be rushed man. If it is, it wont come out right. Trust me
Yeah I work 40-50 hours a week all at weird times and it's easy to plan certain steps for your off time. It's also fun, and super rewarding- and sometimes heartbreaking.
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Re: Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions [Re: TravelAgency]
#21816251 - 06/16/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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One primary reason for wanting to use the EZ Grow kit is I don't want to have to worry about the condition of my room which has a lot of dusty junk, dirty clothes waiting to be washed and my bed where I sleep so there must be some bacteria on my bed I would imagine. I could probably move the clothes into plastic bags and sleep in the living room for awhile but I don't have time now to clean out the whole room and some people say I need to be using a real clean room for growing. If anyone can address that issue then I might be convinced to not use this kit.
If I had access to shrooms that someone already grew, I might just buy them instead. That would be even easier for sure. But I don't have access to them and people are getting good results from this kit and more for the money than buying shrooms. So for me it would be a happy medium.
I'm getting a lot advice as far as saving money and being in the spirit of growing my own but no answers regarding how clean my room needs to be if I want to use a ready made kit and no answers regarding shipping temps. Nevertheless, I do appreciate everyone's advice. I know you're all trying to help and I am open to suggestions.
Many thanks.
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Re: Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions [Re: mushmello]
#21816294 - 06/16/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You don't have to worry so much about the condition of your room if you use the necessary precautions. You do everything inside of a still air box, with no fans or any air currents running in your house. This keeps all the spores and dust and shit flying through the air at rest, so you can work in a clean environment. If you use the proper filters and stuff too, it wont matter how clean the room on the outside (to a certain degree) because inside the jar will be "clean".
Don't buy a growkit, do the brf tek and you'll have more than enough for yourself.
Edited by Dayto (06/16/15 07:51 PM)
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Th3Issu3
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Re: Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions [Re: mushmello]
#21816322 - 06/16/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I live in a old apartment. I have dirty clothes in my room and grow in my closet in which has carpet and i've never washed the walls or vacuumed it! ( don't recommend it )hahah . Everything goes fine for me.
The main thing that matters is having your spawn clean and using sterile procedures.
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Re: Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions [Re: Dayto]
#21816418 - 06/16/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dayto said: You don't have to worry so much about the condition of your room if you use the necessary precautions. You do everything inside of a still air box, with no fans or any air currents running in your house. This keeps all the spores and dust and shit flying through the air at rest, so you can work in a clean environment. If you use the proper filters and stuff too, it wont matter how clean the room on the outside (to a certain degree) because inside the jar will be "clean".
Don't buy a growkit, do the brf tek and you'll have more than enough for yourself.
You only have to keep the AC, fan, etc turned off while you're mixing stuff etc? After that can you have air currents running in the house while you're waiting for the mycelium to grow and then the shrooms?
Edited by mushmello (06/16/15 08:21 PM)
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Re: Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions [Re: mushmello]
#21816974 - 06/16/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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mushmello said:
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Dayto said: You don't have to worry so much about the condition of your room if you use the necessary precautions. You do everything inside of a still air box, with no fans or any air currents running in your house. This keeps all the spores and dust and shit flying through the air at rest, so you can work in a clean environment. If you use the proper filters and stuff too, it wont matter how clean the room on the outside (to a certain degree) because inside the jar will be "clean".
Don't buy a growkit, do the brf tek and you'll have more than enough for yourself.
You only have to keep the AC, fan, etc turned off while you're mixing stuff etc? After that can you have air currents running in the house while you're waiting for the mycelium to grow and then the shrooms?
You only have to keep the ac/fan/whatever off while your inserting the needle into the jars, or when you're opening the lids in your still air box. When the mycelium is colonizing and your fruiting the jars you can use your ac and stuff.
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Re: Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions [Re: Dayto]
#21817329 - 06/17/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Honestly I noc'd up 24 jars in really abysmal conditions- but my sterilization techniques were down pat and I only had one jar contam (because as I noc'd I did it too long and left some of the dry verm layer filter wet). If you follow the techniques (and use plenty of oust/Lysol) you should be fine.
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Re: Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions [Re: TravelAgency]
#21817982 - 06/17/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh I came across a a old photo of my setup and some other things to show you..


As you can see, you don't need a lab to grow!
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Re: Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions [Re: Th3Issu3]
#21818134 - 06/17/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't waste your money on a kit.... please!!!...lol.
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Re: Grow Kits Shipped in Hot Weather and Room Conditions [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
#21824769 - 06/18/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're all bringing up very good points. Putting aside costs though (some of my work is independent so time is money too) and putting aside yield, just judging by the way this kit works, do you think I have less chance of growing anything using this kit than I would starting from scratch so to speak?
Also, if I start from scratch and don't succeed on my first attempt then how much supplies do I have to buy again? Just more spores?
Back to shipping temperatures, I just found out UPS trucks can get 47 degrees hotter than air temp (not just 20 degrees more). What temps can spores tolerate and how many hours can they sit in that temp?
Edited by mushmello (06/18/15 09:51 PM)
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