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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21814133 - 06/16/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You know that trans women go to men's prisons and there's nothing they can do about it? Even though they have the same physical strength and secondary sex characteristics as other women? The results are not funny. They are usually put into solitary for their own protection. This is why conservatives should never attempt satire.




Homosexuals that go to prison have a sexual paradise, they have tons of sex and even have serious loving relationships behind bars, why do they get to enjoy prison so much?


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21814135 - 06/16/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Think of J'rock from trailer park boys.

Even though it is just a funny t.v. show and not real, I always thought if some white guy like him identified as being black I would have no problem with that.



People are so quick to judge but please just do whatever makes you happy. Transracial, transgender, I just see the word trans and whatever is after that doesn't matter. Hell if you identify yourself as a cat or something and don't hurt anyone I could even accept that too.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: qman]
    #21814138 - 06/16/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Now you're making light of prison rape while implying that there is no difference between gay sex and rape. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Just stop.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21814213 - 06/16/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Now you're making light of prison rape while implying that there is no difference between gay sex and rape. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Just stop.




I'm talking about consensual sex, why can't two homosexuals in prison have a sexual relationship, heterosexuals don't have that option in prison.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: qman]
    #21814222 - 06/16/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sure they do, trans women have to go to men's prisons. Or are you trying to say that putting trans women in a position of extreme vulnerability to sexual assault is a good thing?


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21814238 - 06/16/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Sure they do, trans women have to go to men's prisons. Or are you trying to say that putting trans women in a position of extreme vulnerability to sexual assault is a good thing?




I think every prisoner should have protection from sexual assault, unfortunately that doesn't happen.

Trans women going to a mens prison is most likely a very difficult situation for the staff and the trans women, I'm guessing at some point they will have their own sections.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: qman]
    #21814241 - 06/16/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

They do have their own section. It's called solitary confinement.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 4
    #21814278 - 06/16/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If their chromosomes say they are male, they belong in a male prison.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21814281 - 06/16/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Sure they do, trans women have to go to men's prisons. Or are you trying to say that putting trans women in a position of extreme vulnerability to sexual assault is a good thing?



Nobody should be sexually assaulted, men or women


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21814283 - 06/16/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's not that simple


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21814285 - 06/16/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A pedantic and inhumane iteration of the reasoning behind prison sex segregation. Reality is for bleeding heart liberals.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21814289 - 06/16/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I would hardly consider bleeding heart liberals to be living in the real world


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 5
    #21814381 - 06/16/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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A pedantic and inhumane iteration of the reasoning behind prison sex segregation. Reality is for bleeding heart liberals.




Look, I happen to hold the other known trans on this site in the highest regard, with great respect and whom I consider a friend. To the point where of all the humans on this sight, they are among the few that know my real name. This human is the only one here who has my off-site email address. This human would be welcome in my home so my words that follow are not a slam at you. I would say the same to anyone.

You deserve to be treated with the same respect and decency that any other human receives. No-one should mock or torment you. No-one should discriminate against you. No-one should assault you.

But you do not deserve special treatment. No-one does. You are what your chromosomes say you are. If this means you or others would wind up in a particular prison, so be it. Society does not owe you special treatment. Society should not give you special protection, privilege or punishment. Society should not incur special costs.

Now, if you wish to consider me pedantic, inhumane, heartless, cruel or anything else, feel free. I'll sleep just fine tonight knowing I treat all people the same. Good if you're a good human, not so good if you suck. I simply don't care if you're trans, gay or a minority. All I care about is that people are decent.

And that's the reality.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #21814396 - 06/16/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's indecent to place trans women, with feminized musculature and secondary sex characteristics, in a facility filled with phenotypically male convicts. This misses the point completely of sex segregation of prison facilities in pursuit of an erroneous commitment to an abstract idealization of sex differences that in this case does not reflect reality. You can wax grandiloquent all you like, you can lob all the insults disguised as even-handedness you like, it won't alleviate the essential inhumanity of the case you are making.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21814403 - 06/16/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You know that trans women go to men's prisons and there's nothing they can do about it? Even though they have the same physical strength and secondary sex characteristics as other women? The results are not funny. They are usually put into solitary for their own protection. This is why conservatives should never attempt satire.




I was wondering about this last night since in that show Orange Is The New Black they have that trans guy in prison with all the ladies. I asked about it in this thread and Gresh pulled out some information a couple pages back with a source that stated "A trans person is assigned to a jail/prison based on their genetalia. So if you're a post-op trans woman you would go to a women's facility.

Now, I have no idea how true this is and how reliable the source is. It's a couple pages back here if anyone wants to check it out.


With that said, I agree with this 100%:

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If their chromosomes say they are male, they belong in a male prison.




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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21814446 - 06/16/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Not inhumane throwing a transgender person into male prison given they committed a crime. Because likely they are just using that as an advantage wherever they go. I bet if a transgender was in open population in a female prison that tranny would be a dominate male soon after. Change the environment and that happens. Also I've watched that prison max show and they had a gay one and all the trannys were in the male section or in a special gay area. They were not in a female prison.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21814451 - 06/16/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It's indecent to place trans women, with feminized musculature and secondary sex characteristics, in a facility filled with phenotypically male convicts. This misses the point completely of sex segregation of prison facilities in pursuit of an erroneous commitment to an abstract idealization of sex differences that in this case does not reflect reality. You can wax grandiloquent all you like, you can lob all the insults disguised as even-handedness you like, it won't alleviate the essential inhumanity of the case you are making.




You seeing insults where there were none, is your issue. It is the reality. It should remain the reality.

You want special treatment. You deserve none. No-one does.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21814468 - 06/16/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Maybe she's a strong independent black woman that happened to be born in a white body?




She's a white chick who was raised by an adoptive black family. She might fairly be described as "culturally black", but she lied about her ancestry, made up stories about her history, and wore blackface in order to boost her credibility and status within the black activist community. Being true to yourself is not the same as lying, no matter how much social-conservative kool aid you drink.



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Her parents are white as fuck. Was she adopted into a black family? I'm not super familiar with the story, but I did see her parents on the news, and if they're black call me Malcolm X.



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her parents adopted like 4 black children, but they themselves are white




Huh, somehow I was under the impression that she was estranged from her white parents, and that she had been adopted by a black family. I guess she's even crazier than I thought she was.




She is a white kid raised by white parents who also adopted black children.
After she grew up she married a black man, and one of her adopted siblings tried to escape her parents on claims of abuse and she and her husband became his legal guardians.

Apparently she has advertised a picture of her with an elderly black man as being her and her father.
At one point she also claimed that she was born in a teepee? (which was not true, but apparently her parents lived in a teepee at some point before her conception)

Something along those lines; caught a brief video about this but did not pay a ton of attention.

Realistically, if she had just been honest about who she is and what her life is like that seems like it would have been more than adequate.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Shins]
    #21814514 - 06/16/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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http://m.torontosun.com/2015/06/08/becoming-disabled-by-choice-not-chance-transabled-people-feel-like-impostors-in-their-fully-working-bodies

"Transabled" people feel like imposters in their bodies and many crave an amputation or paralysis. Researchers in Canada are trying to better understand how transabled people think and feel. Clive Baldwin, pictured, a Canada Research Chair in Narrative Studies who teaches social work at St. Thomas University in Fredericton, N.B., has interviewed 37 people worldwide who identify as transabled.




As an individual with a disability, this story really interests me.

There is mention in the article that:
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But this has been met with great resistance in both the disability activist community and in transgender circles, argues Baril, a visiting scholar of feminist, gender and sexuality studies at Wesleyan University in Middletown, Connecticut.

“They tend to see transabled people as dishonest people, people who try to steal resources from the community, people who would be disrespectful by denying or fetishizing or romanticizing disability reality,” Baril says, adding people in both transgender and disabled circles tend to make judgmental or prejudicial statements about transabled people. “Each try to distance themselves.”




Which was my first instinctual response -- given a choice it would always be my predilection to choose a healthy life rather than what has been dealt to me. 
The idea that someone would choose to be disabled kind of short circuits my brain a little bit.

My first question was one of "why?"
If the individual does it so that they can get some sort of atypical treatment, it is disturbing to me -- the article opens with someone who purposely modified his body (which is cool, body modifications even at the most extreme interest me) in order to claim it as an accident and experience being disabled.

If someone told me "I chopped my arm off because I never felt right having it and I like the challenges that being one-armed presents to me" it would make perfectly adequate sense to me.

If someone told me "my arm was accidentally chopped off so now instead of working the government pays me to stay home" and he or she had really severed the appendage willingly, that would garner a different view from me.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21814522 - 06/16/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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They do have their own section. It's called solitary confinement.




What's your solution?


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