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moonrockmushy
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Webster10]
#21835730 - 06/21/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Webster10 said: Are you impervious to facts?
I assure you that feeling is mutual. I'm sure that even though you guys group people into races using science from before the US existed, you're totally free from prejudice involving these perceived races. Or are we abandoning that pretense too now?
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: starfire_xes]
#21835964 - 06/21/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: I am 1/2 ubangi an 1/2 mongolian. Now, since I am now black, and asian, shouldn't i get free stuff and affirmative action for being black, or does being half asian cancel it out since asians are overrepresented? 
You get a handout for being Ubangi and another one for being transabled.
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psi
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Webster10]
#21836374 - 06/21/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: There are distict traits that all black and white people share, the only difference between the two groups is skin color, which is not broken into black in which either genetically or using the most basic common sense. It operates on a continuum. All people except albinos produce melanin. Trying to say that the amount of melanin is a good way to group people is like trying to say how much hair or how many teeth someone produces is a good way to group people, but only one is part of common racist ideologies.
Are you impervious to facts? Zappa has gone on several tirades in which he listed numerous differences between blacks and whites. Melanin count alone would still be enough of a difference to bring about the need for a separate classification IMO. And with all the other differences thrown in there, it becomes obvious and undeniable that whites and blacks are two different types of humans and should be labeled as such. Denying facts don't make them go away. Denying reality by saying there are no races in order to coddle the feelings of one race doesn't make us all colorblind. There are, in fact, different races.
What about all the people with intermediate traits between the "black" and "white" archetypes? Is a black person with a small ass and no sickle cell genes not as "pure" of a black person as someone who has those "distinctively black" traits? If some people are "pure" examples of one race and others are "mixed", how can we tell if a group of "mixed" people qualify as their own race? If their skin tones are too varied, does that mean they're not a race yet?
Are these supposedly distinct races only just mixing now, and if so, why haven't they been mixing this whole time? Africa, the Middle East, Europe and Asia are all touching each other and people can move back and forth between them. Taboos against outmarriage exist in many cultures but it still happens regardless, if slowly. The borders of any proposed categorization scheme are always going to be arbitrary. These populations of people just have not spent enough time apart from each other to become truly distinct in a taxonomically significant way, as striking as variations in skin color and face structure may appear to us. The broad trends you allude to are of course obvious to any casual observer, but imposing a fixed categorization scheme is where things get messy. That's why taxonomically we are all just a single species and subspecies, there is no justification for discrete categories below that level.
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moonrockmushy
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: psi]
#21836422 - 06/21/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Facts, gross generalizations, they're the same thing, right? I mean they've also got some anecdotes if "facts" aren't enough for you, and plus, if race doesn't exist how can you explain that race exists?
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psi
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21836469 - 06/21/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: and plus, if race doesn't exist how can you explain that race exists?
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kr0nik0
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: psi]
#21836957 - 06/21/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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psi said: sWhat about all the people with intermediate traits between the "black" and "white" archetypes? Is a black person with a small ass and no sickle cell genes not as "pure" of a black person as someone who has those "distinctively black" traits? If some people are "pure" examples of one race and others are "mixed", how can we tell if a group of "mixed" people qualify as their own race? If their skin tones are too varied, does that mean they're not a race yet?
Are these supposedly distinct races only just mixing now, and if so, why haven't they been mixing this whole time? Africa, the Middle East, Europe and Asia are all touching each other and people can move back and forth between them. Taboos against outmarriage exist in many cultures but it still happens regardless, if slowly. The borders of any proposed categorization scheme are always going to be arbitrary. These populations of people just have not spent enough time apart from each other to become truly distinct in a taxonomically significant way, as striking as variations in skin color and face structure may appear to us. The broad trends you allude to are of course obvious to any casual observer, but imposing a fixed categorization scheme is where things get messy. That's why taxonomically we are all just a single species and subspecies, there is no justification for discrete categories below that level.
Your post got me thinking about the future. I believe there will come a time on this planet where racial distinctions will no longer exist (either perceived or biological). The idea of black, white, or asian will be long forgotten due to people continuing to mix and we will finally become the human race.
This has already happened in some places. Where I was born around 75% of the population identifies themselves as "nego" (slang) or "mulato(a)". A mixture of European and African ancestry. A small percentage of those people have mixed with Asians due to the largest Japanese population outside of Japan being located in Sao Paulo. That will be the face of the future and it looks pretty damn beautiful if you ask me.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: kr0nik0]
#21837104 - 06/21/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Or we get Eurasian serial killers because they feel they don't belong anywhere.
Growing pains of human race
That's a long time of mingling :P
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