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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21829587 - 06/19/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Now we have another hypocritical incident. During an Oct. 2014 radio interview in Spokane, Rachel said she planned to boycott a movie because a white actor played the biblical Moses. She was discussing the movie “Exodus: Gods and Kings.” The movie, which told the tale of Moses, starred white English actor Christian Bale.

“A lot of people might go to that film, hopefully nobody goes to that film, we need to boycott that film from my perspective because it’s mis-education, It’s misrepresentation, and it’s highly offensive to the people that actually were living during that time and also to people today, it’s robbing and shredding their ancestry and history,” She continued, also citing Charlton Heston as another actor who she believes should not have played Moses because he was white.






After watching this my youtube started bombarding me with videos about her again.
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Here is a 5 part interview with her talking about her experiences and struggles "as a black woman":
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In early 2014, I had the opportunity to interview Rachel Dolezal for my senior thesis. These videos are unedited.

Here is part 1. She is addressing the question, "What is normal as it relates to black women?"







This felt like a confusing muck of her talking in circles a lot more than anything.

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In early 2014, I had the opportunity to interview Rachel Dolezal for my senior thesis. These videos are unedited.

Here is part 2. She is addressing the question, "Have you ever had an experience where you were made to feel your blackness?"









Parts 2 and 3 are on the same question, there is just a split in the conversation.
Part 2 is interesting because she talks about trying to draw herself as black as a little kid and not understanding why the teacher was insisting she needed to use peach.
She talks a lot about identifying with the black community while being conscious of her white skin and heritage, but the interview is from before the whole scandal.
Around the 11 minute mark is interesting as she talks about news stories portraying her first as being from a transracial family, then as a biracial woman, then black.

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In early 2014, I had the opportunity to interview Rachel Dolezal for my senior thesis. These videos are unedited.

Here is part 4. She talks about her "mixed identity."









4 and 5 are continuations again but there is an interruption then a review.

She talks about having a "light skin privilege" and it being similar to white privilege.
This doesn't make a ton of sense to me since she earlier expressed an awareness of being white.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Shins]
    #21829696 - 06/19/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I think people should be able to be whatever they want,  but they shouldn't get any special privileges.

The transabled thing gets me because they're talking about disablity checks, and that's kind of a special privilege.

but also what if they truly are transabled? Or have amputated?  I also kind of think they fall under the category of isabled in the current disability laws.

so its kind of a paradox.


if I self identify as a gun am I protected by the second ammendment?




Think the thing that is really difficult to me as an individual with a disability is trying to comprehend the state of mind of such people.

To me, my focus is on rehabilitation and trying to get myself to a point where my disability does not inhibit me from doing the things I love.
In a similar sense, have never met an individual who is thankful for his or her disability -- there is no sentiment of "I'm so thankful I was finally in that car crash and lost use of my legs.  Now I get to undergo physiotherapy and try to learn to walk again.  I feel so fortunate for what happened."

Going back again to the Toronto Sun article (link) you had posted earlier in the thread, there was part of it that lingered with me.

The man who cut off his arm is referenced as saying:
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When he cut off his right arm with a “very sharp power tool,” a man who now calls himself One Hand Jason let everyone believe it was an accident.

But he had for months tried different means of cutting and crushing the limb that never quite felt like his own, training himself on first aid so he wouldn’t bleed to death, even practicing on animal parts sourced from a butcher.

“My goal was to get the job done with no hope of reconstruction or re-attachment, and I wanted some method that I could actually bring myself to do,” he told the body modification website ModBlog.

His goal was to become disabled.

People like Jason have been classified as ‘‘transabled’’ — feeling like imposters in their bodies, their arms and legs in full working order.



(bolded/italicized my emphasis)

His view of wanting to change his body in a way that provides him with no hope of having it changed back simply does not seem like the attitude that most people struggling with a disability have.

From a body modification point of view, what he did was awesome.
Not sure how it provides him identity with the disabled community though.
As you mentioned, being an amputee does indeed associate him with disability status -- it feels like it comes from some sort of romanticized view of what living with a disability is like though.

Think these people have something very real going on for them that warrants further examination and understanding.
At the personal level, it is very difficult to comprehend their issues and what they face with the present information though.

Perhaps the radio show you linked will provide more insight; eager to check it out once the opportunity presents itself.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Tantrika]
    #21829769 - 06/19/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Those people are more disgusting than this wigger bitch.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Shins]
    #21829980 - 06/19/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Check out this article on The Government of Canada's official national news station:

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/q/schedule-for-wednesday-june-10-2015-1.3107352/desiring-disability-what-does-it-mean-to-be-transabled-1.3107353

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Okay, so this gave some insights but perhaps cultivated as much difficulty of comprehension as it did provide answers.

The interview with the individual who (to my comprehension) still had full use of his legs but has decided to live in a wheelchair was difficult for me to wrap my head around.
It was particularly a mind fuck when he complained about his inability to find a job because employers would rather hire the able bodied...which it is to my comprehension that he still is.

The interview with the doctor shed some light on the condition itself when he talked about it being a mental health disability/disorder rather than an actual body-based issue.
The other idea that he talked about with research showing that some of these people have neurological disorders where their brain does not properly detect their own limbs was also particularly compelling.

The idea that people actively desire to lose their limbs, then celebrate when they are finally able to stage an accident is still alien to my understanding though.
Perhaps cannot expect to truly understand it though.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Adolin]
    #21830709 - 06/20/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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just a thought. i wonder where people stand on faking accents




I was just watching something on youtube about this topic a few days ago. Not specifically imitating accents but how we as humans tend to imitate an accent automatically when we are around people that speak differently.

I never realized how true this is until I watched said video. About a year ago I had 2 friends stay with me for a couple weeks that had really heavy Boston accents.
By just being around them constantly for that short amount of time I found myself somewhat imitating both their slang and accent to a small degree.

Apparently it's an automatic mechanism people have to both fit in and make the people around them more comfortable.

Another example, I talk to a friend that lives in Australia quite often through skype. Over the 2 years that I've known her I've increasingly been using more of her slang as well as a bit of her accent but as soon as the conversation is over I go back to speaking as I regularly do. It's some pretty weird psychological stuff.

Downright just faking an accent is ridiculous though. What would be the point of that? And do people actually do it?


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21830723 - 06/20/15 12:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ive know people to fake accents to get pussy n stuff. I personally have no accent cuz im from connecticut.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #21830746 - 06/20/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Do you mean like someone faked another regional accent or another nation's accent to get some poon?
Which accent did the person you know use?

And I bet you do have an accent to people outside of CT. Hell, everyone that lives in New England has an accent to my ears.

I believe that the people that speak English that truly don't have accents are people that live in places where there's a huge cultural diversity. Places like Miami and LA. I wonder why that doesn't apply to Chicago and NY though as their cultural mix is very broad as well.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21830785 - 06/20/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

british it was redic when an actual britsh person called them out. but yeh nah dewd. like if i live in northern ct southern or eastern ct i might have a slight accent. I have like a non reginal dielect i mean i some times will say boston or new york slang n stuff but i dont really have an accent i mostly just sound like people on tv n stuff.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #21830902 - 06/20/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yea, I understand what you mean about not having a regional accent.
It varies so wildly in New England from city to city.

For example when I lived in upstate NY (Rochester area) I barely noticed an accent if at all. I think that can be said for all of northern NE... Upstate NY, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine. Then you cross the border into Canada and they have that heavy Eastern Canada accent. Not so much in Toronto but for sure in the smaller towns there.  A lot like the Trailer Park Boys accent.

It's also hard for me to have one specific accent since I speak English with my friends, Portuguese when I speak to my immediate family, Italian with my stepdad, and Spanish every time I drive into Miami. It's a clusterfuck of different languages and accents in my life.


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desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes “Awww!”



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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21830971 - 06/20/15 01:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeh i sound kinda like someone from upstate or like a vt stoner or summin def not from NH or maine they say wierd stuff like wicked n other shit. But its crazy where im from u ask 5 ppl how to say certain words n ull get 5 diff answers pop is def soda tho


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #21831238 - 06/20/15 04:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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That doesn't make it a valid comparison at all. A logical error is not rendered correct by virtue of being common.





Nor is it rendered correct because it offends your sensibilities.

You have yet to refute the logic, you claim that trans race is so different than trans sex, yet it isn't.  You are trying to justify sonething because you are percieving it as a personal attack on your identity.  Most other people who are not in such a biased, emotionalemotionally compromised position can clearly see the parallels between trans sex and trans race.




Which hormones form the secondary race characterics?
Which receptors and modulators are in place for "race characteristics"
Do you grow blacker in puberty?
Can you revert physical traits with what hormones?
I didn't know there were inherent traits inbetween being white & black, to me they're all people.
not that it isn't a construct between m/f either :shrug:

"Do cross dressers fit somewhere in the LGBT club?
Everybody fits in the club!:heart:
Aren't all transsexuals just cross dressers until they have their surgeries and hormone treatments?

I knew I was an addict long before I used drugs :P.
Oh pleasepleaseplease let me just be a crossdresser, I can live with that, they're only clothingpieces, like i'd give a shit what people think.

But giving how I feel further thought and if psychological trauma was the basis of that I don't think I will followup because I find that a sad pathology to follow and inherently disrespectful to trans/women as a whole.

But that's just me though :smile:
& in the end little do I know.
Rachel can do whatever she likes. She's more of a crossdresser, in that sight.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Beanhead] * 1
    #21831310 - 06/20/15 04:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

She might have something. I'm pretty sure I'm an Ubangi.:smirk:


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Beanhead] * 1
    #21831410 - 06/20/15 06:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Aren't all transsexuals just cross dressers until they have their surgeries and hormone treatments?






I think there's a pretty clear difference.  The difference between transexuals/transgender is still a little confusing to me, but a cross dresser is anybody who dresses in the clothes of a gender they are not assigned to.  Someone who is trans actually identifies as the opposite sex/gender.  As I understand it one is more biologically rooted, where the other is to do with the specific gender roles in that person's culture, but I think most just use them interchangeably.  If you are trans that doesn't change if you put on the clothes of the gender you were originally assigned at birth, actually that would make you a cross dresser in some sense.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: starfire_xes]
    #21831489 - 06/20/15 07:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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She might have something. I'm pretty sure I'm an Ubangi.:smirk:



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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21831547 - 06/20/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Question: If a story of equivalent popularity emerged, but instead of a white person faking to be black, it was of a black person faking to be white, would the race baiters and the lefties claim that the person was guilted and bullied into denying their own race by a racist society? I think so.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Webster10]
    #21831570 - 06/20/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Michael Jackson used to get a lot of flak for his image transformation.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Webster10]
    #21831573 - 06/20/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Question: If a story of equivalent popularity emerged, but instead of a white person faking to be black, it was of a black person faking to be white, would the race baiters and the lefties claim that the person was guilted and bullied into denying their own race by a racist society? I think so.




Seeing how a lot of people seem to play the guilt game when it comes to that.

Yes.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Webster10]
    #21831584 - 06/20/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:shrug: there's a wikipedia article on it for crissakes.  It's definitely a topic of discussion that occurs in academia and popular culture.  It's been happening since before slavery ended, to WEB DuBouis up to Obama today.  Denying race is noy denying heritage, it is acknowledging that we a share a common heritage despite the fact that we are in many ways diverse.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21831589 - 06/20/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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:shrug: there's a wikipedia article on it for crissakes.  It's definitely a topic of discussion that occurs in academia and popular culture.  It's been happening since before slavery ended, to WEB DuBouis up to Obama today.  Denying race is noy denying heritage, it is acknowledging that we a share a common heritage despite the fact that we are in many ways diverse.



It is denying biological heritage for sure.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Webster10]
    #21831641 - 06/20/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No it is acknowledging the truth about biological diversity.  Many people have dark skin, and some of them have ancestors that left Africa before the first white person ever existed, which would be hard to pinpoint an exact time anyway considering that evolutionary change happened slowly over time.  If white people spent enough time in equatorial sunlight, over many generations they would almost certainly become black, not even factoring in mating with darker skinned people who tend to inhabit those areas.


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