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BlindSophist said: yeah you see? this guy (shins) has never been remotely respectful of me being trans and now he's here telling me thay I'm not just a tranny but a hypocrite. both of these statements come from the same sentiment of hostility and distrust toward both the transgender and the black movements.
Race and gender are not the same. Being true to yourself is not the same as fraud, either. They just aren't. This idiotic canard is comparable to the equivalency drawn by the likes of Rick Santorum between homosexuality and zoophilia or polygamy.
How have I not been respectful of you being trans? That is a lie. I watch Ru pauls drag race with my girlfriend on a regular basis and enjoy it.
I do not respect your double standards, hypocrisy and discrimination against people who identify digferently than ehat their bodies are.
your arguments against this lady apply equally to yourself too. It is you who are disrespecting yourself.
You have completely missed the point of my posts. The underlying point I am trying to make is that people secretly feel the same way they feel about this trans race lady that they do with trans sexuals, they are just scared to say it because it is not PC. now peopke have been given the green light to make fun of this lady who is a similar kind of trans and now all of you peoples true feelings are coming out.
Trans sexuals are socially accepted, or at least people have been terrorized by the PC police so much about it that they keep quiet. Now that this trans race girl is in the forefront, the dams have broken and everyone is saying how they truly feel about trans people.
trans sexuals seems to be trying to distance themselves from this when they really should be defending her, I think its probably different for them from the perspective of being outside looking in at someone rather than inside looking out.
What you trans sexuals who are against her are really saying is that YOUR OWN trans sexuality is a joke and should be made fun of? Why on earth woukd you do that? People are going to think you are confused even more.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Shins] 2
#21828407 - 06/19/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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RuPaul is not transgender, he is a drag queen, and his insistence on using that word is very offensive. That he gets away with it proves that the "PC police" is merely a figment of your and others' fevered imagination. Transgender people are NOT socially accepted. In every state except California, it is legally defensible to murder a trans woman. It's called the "trans panic" defense. Many of us live in daily fear for our lives and with good cause. The rate at which trans women of color, in particular, are murdered by perfect strangers, is blood curdling. I fortunately do not live in that sort of fear due to my living in one of the most queer friendly places on the planet, the same cannot be said for my sisters living in other states and abroad, where they are routinely denied medical care and must live in hiding to avoid violent reprisal by strangers in public. Most of us live in constant mortal danger.
There is nothing in common between what transgender people experience and what Dolezal has done. There is nothing similar between identifying with a gender other than that which you were assigned from birth due to inborn hormonal irregularities in your brain and identifying exclusively with the culture of another race due to fucked up parenting. The expression, "transracial" is a bad tranaphobic joke, not an actual thing. Rachel Dolezal is not trans anything, she is a professional wigger and a fraud. End of story.
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Shins
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All I hear is whining, over sensitivity, as well as vicious attacks against your fellow trans.
Ru Paul is offensive to trans sexuals? Jesus christ grow up and grow a thicker skin. It is way to easy to offend out fragile sensibilities.
Just imagine if I called you all the things you call her. You would have a caniption. You of all people should know better. What a joke.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Shins]
#21828482 - 06/19/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shins said: All I hear is whining, over sensitivity, as well as vicious attacks against your fellow trans.
Ru Paul is offensive to trans sexuals? Jesus christ grow up and grow a thicker skin. It is way to easy to offend out fragile sensibilities.
Just imagine if I called you all the things you call her. You would have a caniption. You of all people should know better. What a joke.
Well said, call out those hypocrites.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Stonehenge]
#21828487 - 06/19/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think there definitely are similarities in the reaction from others though as Shins said. She is vilified because she is seen as having the "wrong" genes for the identity she claims.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: psi]
#21828523 - 06/19/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That doesn't make it a valid comparison at all. A logical error is not rendered correct by virtue of being common.
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Wait, what is this trans defense you speak of? 
If I'm understanding you correctly, anyone can murder a person that is trans (be it a man or woman) and not suffer any legal repercussions outside of Cali?
I'm beyond confused as well as skeptical about this as murder is murder no matter what sex or gender you are, or identify as.
Would you care to expand on this and provide some links to reputable sources so I can better understand?
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BlindSophist said: It infuriates me that this woman is trying to hop aboard the trans narrative with her fraudulent bullshit, and the gullible left and transphobic right is just lapping it up. I'm practically waiting for her to come out as a trans woman trapped in a cis woman's body.
No. She is a cis woman trapped in a trans man's body
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BlindSophist said: That doesn't make it a valid comparison at all. A logical error is not rendered correct by virtue of being common.
I was unable to decipher what you meant by this. Can you rephrase?
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: kr0nik0]
#21828573 - 06/19/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://www.advocate.com/crime/2014/09/29/california-becomes-first-state-ban-gay-trans-panic-defenses
Basically, if you claim that you were freaked out to learn that a woman you murdered has a penis, your murder charge will be downgraded to manslaughter. It's shoddy enough in a perfect world but in practical reality, where the murder victim cannot give her side of the story in court, it becomes a free pass on murder charges.
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BlindSophist said: yeah you see? this guy (shins) has never been remotely respectful of me being trans and now he's here telling me thay I'm not just a tranny but a hypocrite. both of these statements come from the same sentiment of hostility and distrust toward both the transgender and the black movements.
Race and gender are not the same. Being true to yourself is not the same as fraud, either. They just aren't. This idiotic canard is comparable to the equivalency drawn by the likes of Rick Santorum between homosexuality and zoophilia or polygamy.
Ignore shins. As much as I despise Santorum he isn't entirely wrong pointing out the slippery slope. The animal thing is fairly easy but Polygamy? Sorry but this legal reasoning opens that door wide open. And you know what? I don't give a fuck.
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thebitterbuffalo26 said: Kaitlyn jenner and this crazy bitch don't compare. Jenner never really lied to anybody, if anything he was heroically honest. This lady is crazy and trying to advance her self on false pretenses
He never lied? He pretended to be a man for decades.
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That is absolutely wild. It's almost incomprehensible to me that "being freaked out" by someone because they are gay or trans is an allowable legal defense in a murder case.
It's just plain wrong imo. At least where you live you have a bit less to worry about when it comes to this issue.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: kr0nik0]
#21828670 - 06/19/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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kr0nik0 said: That is absolutely wild. It's almost incomprehensible to me that "being freaked out" by someone because they are gay or trans is an allowable legal defense in a murder case.
It's just plain wrong imo. At least where you live you have a bit less to worry about when it comes to this issue.
Yeah. I take it as a cue to be outspoken about stuff like this, my circumstances make it relatively safe for me to kick up a fuss and raise awareness. There are actially a few trans women on the shroomery who are in "stealth" ie presenting as female without disclosing that they are trans. This isn't about deception, it's actually a survival strategy for most of us.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: kr0nik0]
#21828671 - 06/19/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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kr0nik0 said: gay or trans is an allowable legal defense in a murder case.
heh, i read that as "gray or trans"
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BlindSophist said: That doesn't make it a valid comparison at all. A logical error is not rendered correct by virtue of being common.
Nor is it rendered correct because it offends your sensibilities.
You have yet to refute the logic, you claim that trans race is so different than trans sex, yet it isn't. You are trying to justify sonething because you are percieving it as a personal attack on your identity. Most other people who are not in such a biased, emotionalemotionally compromised position can clearly see the parallels between trans sex and trans race.
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BlindSophist said: Basically, if you claim that you were freaked out to learn that a woman you murdered has a penis, your murder charge will be downgraded to manslaughter. It's shoddy enough in a perfect world but in practical reality, where the murder victim cannot give her side of the story in court, it becomes a free pass on murder charges.
This is a complete lie and falsehood. No one has ever gotten off on a murder charge because it was a trannie they killed. The left is becoming desperate at losing the debate and getting even nuttier than usual.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Stonehenge]
#21828808 - 06/19/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Proves nothing of the sort. They were convicted or pleaded out to various charges involving lots of prison time. I see nothing to indicate they got off. This is the normal course of events in any sort of criminal case. 2 of the defendants were convicted of murder, did not get off as you try to tell us. The others plead to a lesser charge and may have testified against the ones who went to trial.
Time to admit you lied.
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