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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21827423 - 06/19/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You guys may be fervent but you're the minority now :hehehe:





So... what do you mean by 'you guys'?




I mean you people all look alike to me what the fuck do you think I mean?


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21827448 - 06/19/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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If there is no race there are no racists.




Now you just fucking stop you guys are repeating youselves to an extreme degree now.  I do not want to rehash this.

please read:  http://academic.udayton.edu/race/01race/race08.htm



I read it and it refutes your assertion that there is no race. 

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Racism
Is any action or attitude, conscious or unconscious, that subordinates an individual or group based on skin colour or race. It can be enacted individually or institutionally.






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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21827495 - 06/19/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Maybe she's a strong independent black woman that happened to be born in a white body?




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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Adolin]
    #21827516 - 06/19/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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something to do with melons.




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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21827518 - 06/19/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you agree with everything written on that page I have no disagreement.  I disagree with the idea that race is a useful tool for organizing humans.  I don't believe there is a need for it other than enforcing stereotypes of which many are harmful and nearly all are gross generalizations.  If you admit that all people are equally capable, then fine, if you want to use the word race that badly go ahead, but it's a bullshit concept altogether, and it is my opinion that many people here are very selective with what racism they take offence to because they are not so prejudice-free as they claim.

Race exists, it is a concept.  If a coherent race existed I'd think someone could point one out to me.

For example, being open to racist ideologies will lead someone to compare blacks and Mexicans and say something along the lines of:

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Blacks have some serious problems that even poor Mexicans don't seem to have, 15 kids and all they take care of their kids and work their asses off.




Are those both races?  Are we going with the Negro/Caucasiod thing of the 19th century, or do we just go with the more modern "niggas be cray cray, blacks are cool" school of racism?

I'm just asking someone to define what races we are even talking about, because to me black is as vague as you can get, even though they're all flawed.  Saying someone is black tells you one thing about a person, that they are probably darker than someone else considered white by the same person, and even that is just my best guess.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: DirdyD]
    #21827519 - 06/19/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:facepalm:


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21827529 - 06/19/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

for the record Zap, that is me mocking her, not supporting that cunt.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: DirdyD]
    #21827546 - 06/19/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That was more my reply to Gresh who you quoted.  If you quote somebody and you intend to mock them you gotta make some kind of comment so we know.  Even just a facepalm.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21827547 - 06/19/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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SoupSandwich said:
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moonrockmushy said:

You guys may be fervent but you're the minority now :hehehe:





So... what do you mean by 'you guys'?




I mean you people all look alike to me what the fuck do you think I mean?




A graceless duck of the question.

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I disagree with the idea that race is a useful tool for organizing humans.  I don't believe there is a need for it other than enforcing stereotypes of which many are harmful and nearly all are gross generalizations.




Yet you use the term yourself.

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moonrockmushy said: If you admit that all people are equally capable, then fine, if you want to use the word race that badly go ahead, but it's a bullshit concept altogether, and it is my opinion that many people here are very selective with what racism they take offence to because they are not so prejudice-free as they claim.

Race exists, it is a concept.  If a coherent race existed I'd think someone could point one out to me.

For example, race will lead someone to compare blacks and Mexicans and say something along the lines of:

Quote:

Blacks have some serious problems that even poor Mexicans don't seem to have, 15 kids and all they take care of their kids and work their asses off.




Are those both races?  Are we going with the Negro Caucasiod thing of the 19th century, or do we just go with the more modern "niggas be cray cray, blacks are cool" school of racism?

I'm just asking someone to define what races we are even talking about, because to me black is as vague as you can get, even though they're all flawed.  Saying someone is black tells you one thing about a person, that they are probably darker than someone else considered white by the same person, and even that is just my best guess.




Equivocation. Define life. Define anything. And anyways...
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You guys may be fervent but you're the minority now :hehehe:




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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #21827566 - 06/19/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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If you agree with everything written on that page I have no disagreement.  I disagree with the idea that race is a useful tool for organizing humans.  I don't believe there is a need for it other than enforcing stereotypes of which many are harmful and nearly all are gross generalizations.  If you admit that all people are equally capable, then fine, if you want to use the word race that badly go ahead, but it's a bullshit concept altogether, and it is my opinion that many people here are very selective with what racism they take offence to because they are not so prejudice-free as they claim.

Race exists, it is a concept.  If a coherent race existed I'd think someone could point one out to me.

For example, being open to racist ideologies will lead someone to compare blacks and Mexicans and say something along the lines of:

Quote:

Blacks have some serious problems that even poor Mexicans don't seem to have, 15 kids and all they take care of their kids and work their asses off.




Are those both races?  Are we going with the Negro/Caucasiod thing of the 19th century, or do we just go with the more modern "niggas be cray cray, blacks are cool" school of racism?

I'm just asking someone to define what races we are even talking about, because to me black is as vague as you can get, even though they're all flawed.  Saying someone is black tells you one thing about a person, that they are probably darker than someone else considered white by the same person, and even that is just my best guess.



I don't refer to them as black because they aren't.  Negroes, aside from their pigmentation, tend to have more gluteal mass and wider noses among other things.  They also tend to be much more susceptible to some diseases, i.e. sickle cell anemia and have greater resistance to other diseases, i.e. malaria.  These are genetic differences and as far as I am concerned adequate to establish a race difference.  Race is not just a construct of culture.  There are genetic underpinnings.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21827589 - 06/19/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Could you please back that up.  That's definitely something I'd need a source to believe.

@soup:

really?

life: the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.

now do me a solid, fill in the blanks.

Black race: __________________

White race: __________________

Mexican race:_________________

or any other racial categories if you prefer zappa's metrics.  If you need source material you'll probably find it in books on the history of racism, or stormfront.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21827590 - 06/19/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

10-4

I was mocking the orange woman, not the poster.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21827618 - 06/19/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Could you please back that up.  That's definitely something I'd need a source to believe.






https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steatopygia


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21827626 - 06/19/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sigh


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21827662 - 06/19/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21827670 - 06/19/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Being acutely affected with the sickness for the thickness, I am well aware of steatopygia. I just can't believe it has a name and a wikipedia entry.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21827677 - 06/19/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I tried this on soup earlier but he refused to take part, but maybe it will help you understand things better:

http://www.understandingrace.org/humvar/quiz.html

There is no white gene.  There is no black gene.  There are many combinations of genetic code which can result in a wide array of skin color and body types, but it is in no way split along black/white.  That is a thing that came about from racism, but that isn't how the modern world works, so it's time to let it go.

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Once you blanket anyone who disagrees with you as 'racist' it's kinda hard to see them as people, isn't it?





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You guys may be fervent but you're the minority now :hehehe: 




Sounds like someone is not ready for an adult conversation between equals.




wtf are we doing?  what do you think that contributes?




Ofcourse I said it very simplistic.
Genetic makeup is different, as you say :smile:
I really mean nothing with it :shrug:


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21827679 - 06/19/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I seen your pic.  Baby got back.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21827685 - 06/19/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

WITHNESS THE THICKNESS

ONE HOPES THIS TIME


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #21827687 - 06/19/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:blush:


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