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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21821692 - 06/18/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The laws are not just laws, and disobeying unjust laws is written into the rule-book of America.  I wouldn't expect you to understand :snub:




that is actually one of the most retarded statements anyone can make


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21821704 - 06/18/15 12:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." -Thomas Jefferson

“If the injustice is part of the necessary friction of the machine of government, let it go, let it go: perchance it will wear smooth--certainly the machine will wear out… but if it is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then I say, break the law. Let your life be a counter-friction to stop the machine. What I have to do is to see, at any rate, that I do not lend myself to the wrong which I condemn.” -Henry David Thoreau


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21821716 - 06/18/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Everyone deserves happiness.  Poverty is another issue but essentially we already have a situation that criminalizes the poor, so I think yes my proposal would be an improvement on both prison quality of life as well as those outside.

I know this is extreme idealism here and this will never happen soon, and I understand that some people are beyond hope, but even then I think it is cruel the way they are treated.  If someone has to go to jail for life they shouldn't be isolated until they lose their mind.  If the committed horrible crimes they should be made to confront these crimes and come to terms with what they did on a human perspective, and if they are able to do this they should be given concessions which increase their quality of life in real ways, even if they are never released.

I think you're undervaluing your own freedom.  There are still plenty of bad things about being locked up.  I think this is similar to the "if we legalized drugs everyone would run to them and be junkies" argument.  In reality where there are more liberal prisons (at least in the "developed world") there is less recidivism and crime in the prison system.




I agree, people shouldn't be tortured or put in solitary confinement in prison.

However, I don't believe that prisoners' lives should be better than the working class of America. Especially people who truly belong in prison, such as rapists and murderers. Why should they deserve happiness when they have traumatized numerous victims for life? 

I do think there should be certain classes such as intensive therapy or counseling and such offered to such incarcerated people, as that will help to decrease recidivism.

But in the meantime, do you really think that allowing a bunch of rapists to have access to women in prison is really such a good idea? Seems that it would just be feeding a bunch of potential innocent victims to a pool of sharks.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21821744 - 06/18/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm totally serious about getting myself locked up on purpose if prison life becomes too glamorous. All they'd need to do is install the internet, give me gourmet meals (or let me cook my own meals from scratch), and allow a couple field trips outside once a week, and shoot that's pretty much everything that I've always ever wanted out of life!




state prisons arent great but you can get shit in the commissary to cook yourself through what ever means you can find, federal prison has things such as steaks that are available. for the field trips and conjugal visits, you may need to look at a career change




Must depend on what type of prison you are sent to. My ex was sent to Folsom State Prison, and he said that even commissary money, the only meals you could buy were like canned tuna and protein powder and various snacks like chips.

All the guys who worked out in that prison stocked up on those, because I guess the sandwiches they give you are deprived of protein which is essential for muscle growth.

Honestly, if my only choices were to buy canned tuna or protein powder, I would just buy drugs with my commissary money. :lol:


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
    #21821775 - 06/18/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

well no obviously we can't let rapists go around raping people.  There are some logistics to work out, but in the meantime I'll advocate for letting prisoners at least masturbate with some dignity.  If someone has a history of rape or aggression then I think they should be segregated from the regular population and probably not allowed sex until they prove themselves as people with the ability to control their urges.  If they can't, keep them locked up but find a way for them to interact and do human things.  Give them a garden plot, or a pitbull (unless they're in for bestiality)


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21821805 - 06/18/15 01:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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well no obviously we can't let rapists go around raping people.  There are some logistics to work out, but in the meantime I'll advocate for letting prisoners at least masturbate with some dignity.  If someone has a history of rape or aggression then I think they should be segregated from the regular population and probably not allowed sex until they prove themselves as people with the ability to control their urges.  If they can't, keep them locked up but find a way for them to interact and do human things.  Give them a garden plot, or a pitbull (unless they're in for bestiality)




Okay, I can agree with you about allowing people to masturbate with dignity.

But honestly, before focusing on the prisoner's happiness by luring them with good food or good sex (which let's face it, are only physical pleasures), we should be focusing more on the long-term psychological wellbeing of prisoners.

For starters, the focus should be more about giving them intensive therapy and one-on-one counseling that helps to increase empathy levels, as that is what makes them truly feel sorry and guilty about the horrendous impact their crime has had on others.

LA County started up such a program around 15 years ago, don't know if the program is still in effect. But they basically had the families of victims who were murdered come and share their story to a bunch of prisoners, just share their feelings about heartbroken they were when they found out their daughter/son had been murdered. Some of the convicts were so moved by their stories, that they started breaking down crying realizing what they had done, when they realized how their crimes had such a long-term, traumatic impact on others.

Just allowing a murderer or rapist to live a trouble-free, hedonistic, pleasurable life by itself, is just a slap in the face to the victims and the families of the victims that they destroyed.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21821822 - 06/18/15 01:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Again, Scandinavian prisons are actually close to the sort of ideals you keep mentioning. They focus on rehabilitation. There are minimum restrictions on movement with many prisoners actually being allowed to spend their daylight hours out in the open. They get furnished private apartments. It's crazy. But then again, their welfare system is so great that nobody has to go to prison just for a nice place to stay.




Sounds similar to Canadian minimum security.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1GbMsNap0_0#t=4712

Around 1:18:30 if the timestamp does not work.

Are all Scandinavian prisons this way?
Not familiar with their system.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #21821832 - 06/18/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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until they prove themselves as people with the ability to control their urges.




Yeah, but how do you really know they have proven themselves? Because plenty of criminals are cunning enough to be able to fool psychiatrists into believing they are "no longer a threat to society," only to commit another heinous crime as soon as they are released. It's really not hard to fool people into thinking you're no longer a threat, all you have to do is say what they want to hear.

So, what's going to happen if a rapist who has "proven himself" happens to rape another woman or person once they are reintroduced back to unisex prison? What are we going to say, "Oh oops, guess we were wrong about this guy, this guy is a serial rapist after all?"

I just think it's too risky. I'm all for prisoners having access to conjugal visits though, because let's face it, conjugal visits are not for the prisoner, but for their loved one. Their loved one shouldn't have to be punished simply because their partner is the one in prison.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
    #21821857 - 06/18/15 01:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah well maybe the sex thing is a little progressive for our current prison population.  Probably better to start with small isolated experiments involving non-violent offenders, but there is nothing that says to me that allowing sex will make prison more enticing.  The main problem I see is that it would almost certainly lead to exploitative prostitution if it wasn't done right, so I can see how it is not something people are buying into.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21821905 - 06/18/15 01:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah well maybe the sex thing is a little progressive for our current prison population.  Probably better to start with small isolated experiments involving non-violent offenders, but there is nothing that says to me that allowing sex will make prison more enticing.  The main problem I see is that it would almost certainly lead to exploitative prostitution if it wasn't done right, so I can see how it is not something people are buying into.




I think it works for Sweden considering they have such a low crime rate to begin with in the first place, but I just see this as far too risky of an endeavor in US prisons. Prison mentality in Sweden is also completely different from prison mentality in the USA.

You have to understand that a lot of people in US prisons ARE gangbangers or people who grew up living that type of "cholo" or "thug life" lifestyle. I don't see just exploitative prostitution as being a problem, but also other problems that could arise such as rape or overly aggressive and demeaning, nonconsensual sex.

Men who grew up in lower-class, violent, and misogynistic surroundings such as the prisoner types often have, have a warped view about women and a warped view about sex. This is why I say that intensive therapy and education comes FIRST, because otherwise you are perpetuating the cycle of unhealthy sexual relationships in prison.

Of course people who are the victims of such sex ought to be able to file charges or file a formal complaint and get taken seriously as victims. But the risk of even having more potential victims, victims that shouldn't have ever happened behind prison walls in the first place, is far too great to put this into implementation.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
    #21821940 - 06/18/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm thinking more situation where people have to go through a process and be approved for these things, like with a work release program.  There is risk but it can also be helpful to have normal human interactions and to be part of normal society on some level.  Not just having sex whenever wherever without rules.  I think it is a human need, and if it is possible to have two people consent to having sexual interaction with nobody getting hurt and no babies that can't be taken care of properly there is nothing wrong about that to me.  Rather than force people to have illegal gay sex or no sex, if it is going to happen anyway people shouldn't be denied healthy sex however they prefer it.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy] * 3
    #21823781 - 06/18/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Rachel Dolezal is the disgusting gift that keeps on giving.

Looks like her parents are interested in appearing on Maury for a DNA test:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maury-povich-wants-rachel-dolezal-to-do-paternity-test-on-his-show/


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21823813 - 06/18/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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She looks like a Bavarian




  Yes she is German, and part Czech.




Now I feel boss xD

I can usually tell region by language but not really by looks


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
    #21823817 - 06/18/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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My GF told me that in Korea, most women get that surgery for their eighteenth birthday. These are Koreans who live in Korea, mind you. I was like, dafuq? That is one deeply internalized inferiority complex they got over there.




The ROK is obsessed with plastic surgery, it is estimated that 1/4th of the population has had some type of plastic surgery done. They are also obsessed with money, the average household has like $2 million of debt or something insane, it's because Koreans are flashy and like to drive Mercedes Benz's and wear Louis Vuitton and show off to everybody that they have money.




It's the same in Libanon.

odd really because the women already are beautiful


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21823950 - 06/18/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Rachel Dolezal is the disgusting gift that keeps on giving.

Looks like her parents are interested in appearing on Maury for a DNA test:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maury-povich-wants-rachel-dolezal-to-do-paternity-test-on-his-show/



That sounds like some quality television, I wonder if it will happen.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: psi]
    #21823978 - 06/18/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I highly doubt it but just the prospect of it happening gives me a good chuckle.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: theRAPeutic] * 1
    #21824590 - 06/18/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What is the official wigger position on this affair?


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #21826440 - 06/19/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What is the official wigger position on this affair?



I image if the media decides to back the legitimacy of transracial as a thing/thang we will end up with a lot white amateur rappers just straight up turning black.....because who are we to question their inner truth or whatever the fuck they would call it. Actually I wonder who in the media would decide to turn black,white or asian? I know at least one person personally who is desperate enough to be something they're not and would probably love having society's permission.


Edited by Gheda Linto (06/19/15 01:17 AM)


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Gheda Linto]
    #21826532 - 06/19/15 02:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It will never be accepted by anybody but reactionary nutjobs and the ignorant.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21826550 - 06/19/15 02:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

lol reading this thread makes my brain feel like  this:


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