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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
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BlindSophist said: I just can't see it happening. Put yourself in the shoes of a convict, would you get a sex change just to go to women's prison? Would you take hormones that would effectively castrate you? I really get the impression this prospect is completely unthinkable for most guys. There was a thread around here asking "would you get a sex change for ten million dollars?" and most people said no. We're not talking about something like putting on a wig here, this is a life-altering choice that would invariably backfire on anyone who makes it for that kind of reason.

He said he always felt like a woman though…. I don't think he was doing it for sexual purposes.
he was doing it for the 'I dont wanna be raped and strangled' reasons and I'm sure that sex would have been the furthest thing from his mind
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Besides, if you still had a penis, wouldn't you still have to go to the men's prison?
why is it that you and BS have such a difficult time with such simple concepts yes, you'd go to a men's prison if you had a weenie but as BS was claiming a transgender shouldnt be subjected to that because it opens them up for being raped/abused and my response to him was that if they sent the trans genders to the prisons of the gender that they identify as then it would lead to more people claiming to be trans to get into a women's prison which will lead to more abuse anyway
now somehow he believes that means that men will go through gender reassignment surgery to score some hot prison poon tang and that no one would ever claim to be a trans to go to a prison for an opposite sex or that any men would dress up as a woman to gain access to a women's restroom even though we've already seen it happen many times in recent years
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BlindSophist said: Chelsea Manning is in a men's prison. And yeah, she had struggled with gender dysphoria long before she publicly came out.
so the media and bradley manning tell us
http://ktla.com/2013/05/14/da-cross-dressing-man-secretly-videotaped-women-in-macys-bathroom-2/ http://chaostrophic.com/blog/chinese-man-dresses-as-a-woman-to-sneak-into-ladies-restroom/
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
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moonrockmushy said: well unfortunately I think manning is in solitary confinement, which kinda defeats the whole notion of gender segregation from the start.
Typical. Trans women are usually held in solitary confinement "for their own protection". I love how asking that trans women not be assigned cruel and unusual treatment as a matter of routine is apparently asking for "special treatment".
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Chelsea's gender issues are on the record as preceding the leak, and she spoke of them to Adrian Lamo, who on that basis decided that she should be turned in. If anything, it's likely that Chelsea is in prison because she is trans, not the other way around. No one in the trans community was surprised when she publicly came out after her sentencing, it was already well known by then for anyone who was so inclined to pay attention.
I didn't click the links but I see the number "2013". Digging deep, I see.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21821540 - 06/17/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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BTW, I realize that you are above the enforcement of the rules, Pris, but it would be mighty classy of you to at least respect my preferred pronouns, if not Chelsea's.
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That's not really special treatment in the US. Many of our punishments such as solitary confinement are cruel and the only reason it is not unusual is because we do it all the time. If it were up to me everyone would go to the same prisons, except the people who display anti-social behavior who should be segregated but only for everyone's safety never as a punishment as we know when taken to an extreme that will drive people crazy, and make them more likely to become violent or unstable.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21821553 - 06/17/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, but can you imagine if you could have sex in prison all the time? Then prison wouldn't be bad at all, cause let's face it, the worst part about prison is not having access to any poon-tang or horse cock. (Worst part IMO anyway)
Shoot, I would get myself locked up on purpose and become a lifetime criminal. Why not? You get free rent, 3 square meals a day, you get to play cards and work out and bullshit and watch TV all day, you get to buy and take drugs and stay high all day as long as you have money in your commissary, AND you get to make new friends AND have all-you-can-eat sex buffet!
Sounds like paradise, like going on vacation to some swingers' destination. Now all they'd have to do is install the internet and allow a couple field trips outside once a week, and really, prison life would have everything that I've ever dreamed of.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
#21821574 - 06/18/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think if for example a guy gets a sex change and has a surgery for a vagina he should be housed with the woman in jail.
Here is a picture of a vagina that was made through a sex change. As in, this used to be a penis but I think they kind of fold it inside out but it's obviously more complicated then that. It is pretty realistic.
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BlindSophist said: BTW, I realize that you are above the enforcement of the rules, Pris, but it would be mighty classy of you to at least respect my preferred pronouns, if not Chelsea's.
I dont give a fuck about that convicts wishes, as for addressing you as a him, it's this fucking simple, you want me to accept you as a female, that's fine but then you best understand that shit like referencing you as a male is going to happen on occasion, it's not intentional, it's habit because for years we have referred to you as a male because that's how you presented yourself to us until recently
I'm sure you do understand how this tolerance shit works, threatening people because of 'misgendering' certainly doesnt win you any tolerance from most here and it certainly isnt classy. simply accept that mistakes will be made ad give a simple nudge in the right direction. it's more likely to get you an apology than a lecture on how tolerance works
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
#21821588 - 06/18/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well if you want to be subjected to mandatory birth control and are that desperate for food and shelter, have at it. If access to sex is the one thing keeping a person from committing crimes then I'm fine letting them go to jail.
It could also just be like sex-tolerant minimum sec prisons and use that and work-release type programs as incentives. I see no reason why someone who is committed to changing should be denied basic human needs, and sex is definitely more essential for happiness than TV or candy I think. We can't expect the same old ascetic ideals that have been failing us since prisons existed to suddenly start working.
I'm also for not putting people in jail who do not deserve to be in jail ie drugs, consensual prostitution, and especially not imprisoned for life for sharing information. That is just appalling to me.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21821592 - 06/18/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Well if you want to be subjected to mandatory birth control and are that desperate for food and shelter, have at it. If access to sex is the one thing keeping a person from committing crimes then I'm fine letting them go to jail.
It could also just be like sex-tolerant minimum sec prisons and use that and work-release type programs as incentives. I see no reason why someone who is committed to changing should be denied basic human needs, and sex is definitely more essential for happiness than TV or candy I think. We can't expect the same old ascetic ideals that have been failing us since prisons existed to suddenly start working.
I'm also for not putting people in jail who do not deserve to be in jail ie drugs, consensual prostitution, and especially not imprisoned for life for sharing information. That is just appalling to me.
If they do drugs and prostitute themselves knowing both are illegal they deserve to go to jail.
Just cause you disagree with the laws doesn't mean if you break them you shouldn't go to jail.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
#21821599 - 06/18/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Yeah, but can you imagine if you could have sex in prison all the time? Then prison wouldn't be bad at all, cause let's face it, the worst part about prison is not having access to any poon-tang or horse cock. (Worst part IMO anyway)
Shoot, I would get myself locked up on purpose and become a lifetime criminal. Why not? You get free rent, 3 square meals a day, you get to play cards and work out and bullshit and watch TV all day, you get to buy and take drugs and stay high all day as long as you have money in your commissary, AND you get to make new friends AND have all-you-can-eat sex buffet!
Sounds like paradise, like going on vacation to some swingers' destination.
ever wonder why a lot of long term criminals do shit to go back as quickly as they can, because it's a place they feel they have the structure and type of society they can handle, a place they have some control. for them prison is easy but life is difficult. sex isnt hard to get in prison and it's not always forced
BTW... apparently now all transgenders go to the prisons with others having the same parts, I got curious and looked.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2616992/Heated-debate-transgender-girl-16-born-male-sent-womens-prison.html
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21821623 - 06/18/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Well if you want to be subjected to mandatory birth control and are that desperate for food and shelter, have at it. If access to sex is the one thing keeping a person from committing crimes then I'm fine letting them go to jail.
It could also just be like sex-tolerant minimum sec prisons and use that and work-release type programs as incentives. I see no reason why someone who is committed to changing should be denied basic human needs, and sex is definitely more essential for happiness than TV or candy I think. We can't expect the same old ascetic ideals that have been failing us since prisons existed to suddenly start working.
I'm also for not putting people in jail who do not deserve to be in jail ie drugs, consensual prostitution, and especially not imprisoned for life for sharing information. That is just appalling to me.
Well, I don't believe that prison life should be more appealing than working as a lower-class doing grunt work in the USA. Seems that if prison life becomes too much easier or too luxurious, then what incentive is there for somebody to slave away in poverty?
Bear in mind, if we stopped sending drug addicts and prostitutes to prison, then it would be real criminals (child molestors, rapists, burglars, etc) who are sent to these places. Life shouldn't be that peachy for them.
I'm a liberal too, but…. Do these low-lifes really deserve happiness more than the working class in America?
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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moonrockmushy said: Well if you want to be subjected to mandatory birth control and are that desperate for food and shelter, have at it. If access to sex is the one thing keeping a person from committing crimes then I'm fine letting them go to jail.
It could also just be like sex-tolerant minimum sec prisons and use that and work-release type programs as incentives. I see no reason why someone who is committed to changing should be denied basic human needs, and sex is definitely more essential for happiness than TV or candy I think. We can't expect the same old ascetic ideals that have been failing us since prisons existed to suddenly start working.
I'm also for not putting people in jail who do not deserve to be in jail ie drugs, consensual prostitution, and especially not imprisoned for life for sharing information. That is just appalling to me.
If they do drugs and prostitute themselves knowing both are illegal they deserve to go to jail.
Just cause you disagree with the laws doesn't mean if you break them you shouldn't go to jail.
The laws are not just laws, and disobeying unjust laws is written into the rule-book of America. I wouldn't expect you to understand
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21821647 - 06/18/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Yeah, but can you imagine if you could have sex in prison all the time? Then prison wouldn't be bad at all, cause let's face it, the worst part about prison is not having access to any poon-tang or horse cock. (Worst part IMO anyway)
Shoot, I would get myself locked up on purpose and become a lifetime criminal. Why not? You get free rent, 3 square meals a day, you get to play cards and work out and bullshit and watch TV all day, you get to buy and take drugs and stay high all day as long as you have money in your commissary, AND you get to make new friends AND have all-you-can-eat sex buffet!
Sounds like paradise, like going on vacation to some swingers' destination.
ever wonder why a lot of long term criminals do shit to go back as quickly as they can, because it's a place they feel they have the structure and type of society they can handle, a place they have some control. for them prison is easy but life is difficult. sex isnt hard to get in prison and it's not always forced
BTW... apparently now all transgenders go to the prisons with others having the same parts, I got curious and looked.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2616992/Heated-debate-transgender-girl-16-born-male-sent-womens-prison.html
I'm totally serious about getting myself locked up on purpose if prison life becomes too glamorous. All they'd need to do is install the internet, give me gourmet meals (or let me cook my own meals from scratch), and allow a couple field trips outside once a week, and shoot that's pretty much everything that I've always ever wanted out of life!
Then really, prison life would have everything that I've ever dreamed of. You get friends, you get to work out, you get to buy and take drugs (as long as you have $$$ in your commissary), and once you bring the prospect of consensual sex with unlimited amounts of guys, I would absolutely take a trip to prison! Fuck life working for slave wages, just throw me in paradise already with no responsibilities whatsoever and total hedonism run amuck! 
It's all in the name of "happiness," right? I mean, where does it end? Gourmet meals make people happy too. Should prisoners really deserve a life better than the working class of America though? I think not.
The whole point of prison is that it's supposed to be a place you don't WANT to go.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
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moonrockmushy said: Well if you want to be subjected to mandatory birth control and are that desperate for food and shelter, have at it. If access to sex is the one thing keeping a person from committing crimes then I'm fine letting them go to jail.
It could also just be like sex-tolerant minimum sec prisons and use that and work-release type programs as incentives. I see no reason why someone who is committed to changing should be denied basic human needs, and sex is definitely more essential for happiness than TV or candy I think. We can't expect the same old ascetic ideals that have been failing us since prisons existed to suddenly start working.
I'm also for not putting people in jail who do not deserve to be in jail ie drugs, consensual prostitution, and especially not imprisoned for life for sharing information. That is just appalling to me.
there's a huge difference in sharing information and dumping hundreds of thousands of classified government documents to be release onto the internet, what bradley manning did put thousands of people's lives in danger
I disagree with the drug and prostitution laws because both jeopardize people who make the choice themselves to engage in those activities, when their actions put the lives of others at risk then I would hope that they are imprisoned as well
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
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moonrockmushy said: Well if you want to be subjected to mandatory birth control and are that desperate for food and shelter, have at it. If access to sex is the one thing keeping a person from committing crimes then I'm fine letting them go to jail.
It could also just be like sex-tolerant minimum sec prisons and use that and work-release type programs as incentives. I see no reason why someone who is committed to changing should be denied basic human needs, and sex is definitely more essential for happiness than TV or candy I think. We can't expect the same old ascetic ideals that have been failing us since prisons existed to suddenly start working.
I'm also for not putting people in jail who do not deserve to be in jail ie drugs, consensual prostitution, and especially not imprisoned for life for sharing information. That is just appalling to me.
Well, I don't believe that prison life should be more appealing than working as a lower-class doing grunt work in the USA. Seems that if prison life becomes too much easier or too luxurious, then what incentive is there for somebody to slave away in poverty?
Bear in mind, if we stopped sending drug addicts and prostitutes to prison, then it would be real criminals (child molestors, rapists, burglars, etc) who are sent to these places. Life shouldn't be that peachy for them.
I'm a liberal too, but…. Do these low-lifes really deserve happiness more than the working class in America?
Everyone deserves happiness. Poverty is another issue but essentially we already have a situation that criminalizes the poor, so I think yes my proposal would be an improvement on both prison quality of life as well as those outside.
I know this is extreme idealism here and this will never happen soon, and I understand that some people are beyond hope, but even then I think it is cruel the way they are treated. If someone has to go to jail for life they shouldn't be isolated until they lose their mind. If the committed horrible crimes they should be made to confront these crimes and come to terms with what they did on a human perspective, and if they are able to do this they should be given concessions which increase their quality of life in real ways, even if they are never released.
I think you're undervaluing your own freedom. There are still plenty of bad things about being locked up. I think this is similar to the "if we legalized drugs everyone would run to them and be junkies" argument. In reality where there are more liberal prisons (at least in the "developed world") there is less recidivism and crime in the prison system.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: I'm totally serious about getting myself locked up on purpose if prison life becomes too glamorous. All they'd need to do is install the internet, give me gourmet meals (or let me cook my own meals from scratch), and allow a couple field trips outside once a week, and shoot that's pretty much everything that I've always ever wanted out of life!
state prisons arent great but you can get shit in the commissary to cook yourself through what ever means you can find, federal prison has things such as steaks that are available. for the field trips and conjugal visits, you may need to look at a career change
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
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Again, Scandinavian prisons are actually close to the sort of ideals you keep mentioning. They focus on rehabilitation. There are minimum restrictions on movement with many prisoners actually being allowed to spend their daylight hours out in the open. They get furnished private apartments. It's crazy. But then again, their welfare system is so great that nobody has to go to prison just for a nice place to stay.
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BlindSophist said: Again, Scandinavian prisons are actually close to the sort of ideals you keep mentioning. They focus on rehabilitation.
this is the biggest problem in the US prison system, first offenders of minor crimes should be placed in something similar to the scandanavian system, work release is as close as we have, it would be a start. they should be required to work at least part time and attend classes that will improve their skills and possibly earn them a degree
prisons here arent about rehabilitation or even correction of behavior
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