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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
    #21820915 - 06/17/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

then your point was poorly made


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #21821013 - 06/17/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Sure they do, trans women have to go to men's prisons. Or are you trying to say that putting trans women in a position of extreme vulnerability to sexual assault is a good thing?





and what would putting trans men into a men's prison do for them, think they wont
be just as vulnerable to sexual assault. now if we put trans men and trans women
into women's prisons, what happens? we have fuckloads of people claiming to be
trans so they can go to a women's prison and victimize anyone they want, should
we build 5 prisons for the 5 sexes as hillary put it, maybe we're up to 427 sexes
and we need that many prisons so there's less victimization


my plan would be to put everyone into a huge pit, who ever can pile the bodies
high enough to climb out has earned their freedom




The notion of somebody wanting to go to prison to get laid is even more ridiculous and cartoonishly contrived than the notion of men wearing dresses to creep on chicks in public restrooms.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
    #21821041 - 06/17/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What about Asians getting surgery to reduce their almond shaped eyes? While they're not trying to pass off as white, this common and widely accepted practice is to alter their appearance in hopes of seeming or coming across as more natural to the western public.

Her lying on Gov. forms to get benefits is wrong, but other than that, is that main issue here her going from white to "black"?  I knew of a lady that was born black but wore makeup every day of her life to look white- More of a sad story than a controversy.




A lot of races do that. Latin women bleach their hair blonde, Indians use skin-bleaching cream, black women straighten their hair or wear weaves. All to look less "ethnic" than they do naturally.

It's only a controversy when you go from white to blackface. Personally I don't think she did anything wrong. Seems she truly does identify with being black, really the only problem is that she lied to some scholars about being black.



Black women wearing weaves isnt whiteface, and they arent trying to pass themselves off as a different race. its not even comparable. this woman tanned her skin, put on a kinky haired wig and tries to pass herself off as black or biracial black.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21821045 - 06/17/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I actually thought it was fairly interesting that you used the comparison of dog breeds... it follows that humans could be bred along similar lines and that this is to account for much of how race as we know it exists. A lineage of humans adapted to a certain climate wouldn't constitute a "race" until it left that climate while continuing to maintain those adaptations by consciously only mating with others who shared them and not natives and ESPECIALLY not the stock brought in for hard labor. So I don't think that races being correlated with certain distinct adaptations invalidates the notion that race is a social construct.




There is much more variation in dogs considering their gestation period is ~2 months and they can reach sexual maturity in under a year.  The other sad fact is that alot of these animals were bred in inhumane conditions such as the modern puppy mill, but since they're not human this is considered generally acceptable as long as it stays out of people's faces.  Like race, dog breeders (edit- breedists?) will show personal bias and mischaracterize breeds in a positive/negative way.  Again this isn't considered as serious as racism because they're dogs, not humans.  That's another issue though.

The only way to prove racist ideologies would be to do forbidden experiments, but that is totally unnecessary when you consider that modern genetic understand has totally obliterated the idea that there are a set number of human races ie a Negro/White/Asian/etc etc  We know the foundation of those ideas and why it is flawed, there is no need to test.  If you really want to understand your racial identity you can get a genetic test and see with certainty you have African ancestors, unless you are not human. 

To be super proud of being the product of one of these African subgroups that split off and evolved lighter skin, of which there were probably more than one, that is just silly to me.  If you went out and started boasting about your halotypes and allele frequencies people would laugh at you, but that would be more accurate I think.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21821116 - 06/17/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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BlindSophist said:
Sure they do, trans women have to go to men's prisons. Or are you trying to say that putting trans women in a position of extreme vulnerability to sexual assault is a good thing?





and what would putting trans men into a men's prison do for them, think they wont
be just as vulnerable to sexual assault. now if we put trans men and trans women
into women's prisons, what happens? we have fuckloads of people claiming to be
trans so they can go to a women's prison and victimize anyone they want, should
we build 5 prisons for the 5 sexes as hillary put it, maybe we're up to 427 sexes
and we need that many prisons so there's less victimization


my plan would be to put everyone into a huge pit, who ever can pile the bodies
high enough to climb out has earned their freedom




The notion of somebody wanting to go to prison to get laid is even more ridiculous and cartoonishly contrived than the notion of men wearing dresses to creep on chicks in public restrooms.




Why can't a man change into a trans woman one week before his prison sentencing?  Could the justice system discriminate against a person who just had a sudden identity crisis?  No.

This is a easy decision for a male, he's going to choose to go to a woman's prison before a mens prison.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: qman]
    #21821135 - 06/17/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:popcorn:

This thread is still going strong..


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: qman]
    #21821156 - 06/17/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I just can't see it happening. Put yourself in the shoes of a convict, would you get a sex change just to go to women's prison? Would you take hormones that would effectively castrate you? I really get the impression this prospect is completely unthinkable for most guys. There was a thread around here asking "would you get a sex change for ten million dollars?" and most people said no. We're not talking about something like putting on a wig here, this is a life-altering choice that would invariably backfire on anyone who makes it for that kind of reason.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: theRAPeutic] * 1
    #21821174 - 06/17/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21821189 - 06/17/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I just can't see it happening. Put yourself in the shoes of a convict, would you get a sex change just to go to women's prison? Would you take hormones that would effectively castrate you? I really get the impression this prospect is completely unthinkable for most guys. There was a thread around here asking "would you get a sex change for ten million dollars?" and most people said no. We're not talking about something like putting on a wig here.




Still any standards are going to be arbitrary, it will never be a cut and dry issue because gender is not cut and dry. 

Honestly I think there is no reason for prisoners not to have sex hetero or otherwise, I just think they should have to use birth control and submit to STD testing and if the test positive no more sex :hehehe:  Alot of the things we think are dissuading people from being criminals actually do the opposite.

Prisons should be unisex and people who make sexual offenses continuously even after being imprisoned for it should be castrated and killed, or at least committed for life until they can show they have control, then monitored for a period after that. :sadyes:


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21821198 - 06/17/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Do you live in Sweden or something?


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21821204 - 06/17/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No but I do like meatballs, so perhaps am part Sweedish :strokebeard:


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: theRAPeutic]
    #21821426 - 06/17/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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Atreyu said:
What about Asians getting surgery to reduce their almond shaped eyes? While they're not trying to pass off as white, this common and widely accepted practice is to alter their appearance in hopes of seeming or coming across as more natural to the western public.

Her lying on Gov. forms to get benefits is wrong, but other than that, is that main issue here her going from white to "black"?  I knew of a lady that was born black but wore makeup every day of her life to look white- More of a sad story than a controversy.




A lot of races do that. Latin women bleach their hair blonde, Indians use skin-bleaching cream, black women straighten their hair or wear weaves. All to look less "ethnic" than they do naturally.

It's only a controversy when you go from white to blackface. Personally I don't think she did anything wrong. Seems she truly does identify with being black, really the only problem is that she lied to some scholars about being black.



Black women wearing weaves isnt whiteface, and they arent trying to pass themselves off as a different race. its not even comparable. this woman tanned her skin, put on a kinky haired wig and tries to pass herself off as black or biracial black.




I never said they are doing it to look white, I said that they do it to look less "ethnic." Two different things. They are not necessarily trying to look "white," just like how Asians who get the eyelid surgery are not doing it to look European.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21821448 - 06/17/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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BlindSophist said:
Sure they do, trans women have to go to men's prisons. Or are you trying to say that putting trans women in a position of extreme vulnerability to sexual assault is a good thing?





and what would putting trans men into a men's prison do for them, think they wont
be just as vulnerable to sexual assault. now if we put trans men and trans women
into women's prisons, what happens? we have fuckloads of people claiming to be
trans so they can go to a women's prison and victimize anyone they want, should
we build 5 prisons for the 5 sexes as hillary put it, maybe we're up to 427 sexes
and we need that many prisons so there's less victimization


my plan would be to put everyone into a huge pit, who ever can pile the bodies
high enough to climb out has earned their freedom




The notion of somebody wanting to go to prison to get laid is even more ridiculous and cartoonishly contrived than the notion of men wearing dresses to creep on chicks in public restrooms.





wow... are you really that daft or just pretending


BTW... men have donned dresses and fake tits to creep on girls in bathrooms

http://www.komonews.com/news/crime/Police-Man-in-skirt-caught-taking-pics-in-womens-room-at-library-247859531.html


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21821465 - 06/17/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I just can't see it happening. Put yourself in the shoes of a convict, would you get a sex change just to go to women's prison? Would you take hormones that would effectively castrate you? I really get the impression this prospect is completely unthinkable for most guys. There was a thread around here asking "would you get a sex change for ten million dollars?" and most people said no. We're not talking about something like putting on a wig here, this is a life-altering choice that would invariably backfire on anyone who makes it for that kind of reason.







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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
    #21821466 - 06/17/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

When exactly did she say she was black.  I didn't read all the articles but maybe someone else could point it out to me.  It seems like she associated herself with black culture and looked black to some people, and was evasive when questioned about her race.  Am I missing something?  There is nothing wrong with a genetically white-skinned person being part of the NAACP or presenting themselves however they want.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #21821472 - 06/17/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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When exactly did she say she was black.





many times


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21821476 - 06/17/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I just can't see it happening. Put yourself in the shoes of a convict, would you get a sex change just to go to women's prison? Would you take hormones that would effectively castrate you? I really get the impression this prospect is completely unthinkable for most guys. There was a thread around here asking "would you get a sex change for ten million dollars?" and most people said no. We're not talking about something like putting on a wig here, this is a life-altering choice that would invariably backfire on anyone who makes it for that kind of reason.










He said he always felt like a woman though…. I don't think he was doing it for sexual purposes.

Besides, if you still had a penis, wouldn't you still have to go to the men's prison?


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21821487 - 06/17/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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When exactly did she say she was black.





many times




O I see she was apparently fabricating hate crimes.  I would say that is her main issue.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
    #21821501 - 06/17/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Chelsea Manning is in a men's prison. And yeah, she had struggled with gender dysphoria long before she publicly came out.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21821510 - 06/17/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

well unfortunately I think manning is in solitary confinement, which kinda defeats the whole notion of gender segregation from the start.


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