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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: psi]
#21820001 - 06/17/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What about Asians getting surgery to reduce their almond shaped eyes? While they're not trying to pass off as white, this common and widely accepted practice is to alter their appearance in hopes of seeming or coming across as more natural to the western public.
Her lying on Gov. forms to get benefits is wrong, but other than that, is that main issue here her going from white to "black"? I knew of a lady that was born black but wore makeup every day of her life to look white- More of a sad story than a controversy.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
#21820006 - 06/17/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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no weird angles or dark/orangey lighting.. ill never understood how she passed to some people...

Same reason Stacey Dash passes for black, in fact I think they both have the exact same hair color and skin tone, Stacey (who actually is part black) in fact looks far more Caucasian in the picture below than the lady above.

stacey dash clearly has black influenced features, especially the nose/lips and jaw/cheekbones. rachel doesn't. everything about rachels facial features are caucasion. look at the flat cheekbones, narrow face and jaw, long nose and no upper lip. youre out your mind if you think stacey looks more white than rachel. i dunno if the straight hair is fooling or what..
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: psi] 2
#21820015 - 06/17/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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psi said: Nobody denies that those regional trends exist. The question is whether discrete races are a valid model for reality.
Well, then you can say that there are also regional differences among everybody.
I mean, do Filipino's or Thai people look anything at all like Japanese or Northern Chinese? No.
Same with whites. Scandinavian whites look very very different from Russian or Ukrainian whites. Irish whites look very very different from Australian whites. American whites again, look different from Spanish whites.
Then you can even break it down further according to region. California whites look nothing at all like New York whites. Northern Italian whites look different from Southern Italian whites. Etc.
And if everybody is that different, then it makes no sense to ascribe identifiers to a single race. I think nationality and geography is a far more credible way to predict somebody's persona than race.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Atreyu]
#21820019 - 06/17/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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My GF told me that in Korea, most women get that surgery for their eighteenth birthday. These are Koreans who live in Korea, mind you. I was like, dafuq? That is one deeply internalized inferiority complex they got over there.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Beanhead]
#21820026 - 06/17/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Beanhead said: She looks like a Bavarian
Yes she is German, and part Czech.
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BlindSophist said: My GF told me that in Korea, most women get that surgery for their eighteenth birthday. These are Koreans who live in Korea, mind you. I was like, dafuq? That is one deeply internalized inferiority complex they got over there.
The ROK is obsessed with plastic surgery, it is estimated that 1/4th of the population has had some type of plastic surgery done. They are also obsessed with money, the average household has like $2 million of debt or something insane, it's because Koreans are flashy and like to drive Mercedes Benz's and wear Louis Vuitton and show off to everybody that they have money.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
#21820040 - 06/17/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The North-South contrast is truly staggering on that peninsula.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: psi]
#21820047 - 06/17/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you guys think this chick craved black cock?
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21820063 - 06/17/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: Do you guys think this chick craved black cock?
Mad jungle fever. Did you see the picture of her and her husband? Of course it was a black guy.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: theRAPeutic]
#21820078 - 06/17/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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no weird angles or dark/orangey lighting.. ill never understood how she passed to some people...

Same reason Stacey Dash passes for black, in fact I think they both have the exact same hair color and skin tone, Stacey (who actually is part black) in fact looks far more Caucasian in the picture below than the lady above.

stacey dash clearly has black influenced features, especially the nose/lips and jaw/cheekbones. rachel doesn't. everything about rachels facial features are caucasion. look at the flat cheekbones, narrow face and jaw, long nose and no upper lip. youre out your mind if you think stacey looks more white than rachel. i dunno if the straight hair is fooling or what..
I see Stacey as having a really long nose too. Her nose could pass as Caucasian, she has a very racially ambiguous look.
I mean yeah she has good cheekbones, but then again she's also an actress, and pretty much every famous actor/actress has cheekbones to die for. Doesn't make it an exclusively black feature.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
#21820085 - 06/17/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wonder what he thinks of her identity.
I wouldn't mind being native american for a little while.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Atreyu]
#21820091 - 06/17/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Atreyu said: I wonder what he thinks of her identity.
I wouldn't mind being native american for a little while.
Probably supportive? She was white when they were married, if you look at their wedding photo. Her transformation came after their wedding apparently.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
#21820247 - 06/17/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Atreyu said: I wonder what he thinks of her identity.
I wouldn't mind being native american for a little while.
Probably supportive? She was white when they were married, if you look at their wedding photo. Her transformation came after their wedding apparently.
Apparently her transformation started after their divorce.
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Dolezal’s family members have shared new details that might provide more context for her alleged transformation from white woman fighting for the cause to a white woman masquerading as a biracial or black woman for the cause. Dolezal’s adopted brother Ezra, who is African-American, claimed to BuzzFeed News on Friday that he was warned not to “blow” his sister’s cover in 2012.
“She just told me, ‘Over here [in Spokane], I’m going to be considered black, and I have a black father. Don’t blow my cover,’” Ezra Dolezal claimed. However, he said he started noticing a change in his sister’s appearance about six years ago, after her marriage had ended.
He also apparently has not made a public statement about her yet.
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Dolezal’s ex-husband, Kevin Moore, has yet to make any public statements. Not much is known of Moore, who is African-American, aside from a photograph from the couple’s wedding in 2000, released to the media this week by Dolezal’s parents, Ruthanne and Lawrence. In the wedding photo, Dolezal has very fair skin and blonde hair — a dramatic change from the tight brown coils and darker skin she has now. The couple reportedly met in Washington, D.C. in 1999, when Dolezal was attending Howard University.
Both quotes from http://www.bustle.com/articles/90066-who-was-rachel-dolezals-husband-the-spokane-naacp-president-kevin-moore-divorced-more-than-10
Someone posted an article earlier in the thread stating that back during the divorce she also brought forth a sex tape that apparently shows her being forced to commit sex acts against her will.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Tantrika]
#21820253 - 06/17/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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She is like J-rock from trailer park boys. Both of them think they are black.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: zappaisgod]
#21820632 - 06/17/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: If there is no race there is no racism. You make absolutely zero sense. Rachel says there are races. The NAACP says there are races. The Congressional Black Caucus says there are races and, as far as I know, so does every college and the government.
Then fucking define it. Define black and white, or however you see it.
The NAACP doesn't say anything, it is a group. I never said it was never racist in it's policy either, I don't know everything done under the NAACP banner, but it was founded as an anti-racist group.
The idea of race exists, as does fucking santa clause. Millions of kids believe santa brought them presents on Christmas, therefore santa must be a valid explanation for those presents. What you are saying is so dumb I can't believe you don't realize it. You realize you're arguing alongside stonehenge.
I get that alot of people have alot of fun with race, for jokes or inciting drama or whatever you want to do, but to actually come out and seriously say that it is a valid way of classifying people makes you a racist. I don't see why people don't understand that, it's simple.
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BlindSophist said: Sure they do, trans women have to go to men's prisons. Or are you trying to say that putting trans women in a position of extreme vulnerability to sexual assault is a good thing?
and what would putting trans men into a men's prison do for them, think they wont be just as vulnerable to sexual assault. now if we put trans men and trans women into women's prisons, what happens? we have fuckloads of people claiming to be trans so they can go to a women's prison and victimize anyone they want, should we build 5 prisons for the 5 sexes as hillary put it, maybe we're up to 427 sexes and we need that many prisons so there's less victimization
my plan would be to put everyone into a huge pit, who ever can pile the bodies high enough to climb out has earned their freedom
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
#21820703 - 06/17/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: I mean, do Filipino's or Thai people look anything at all like Japanese or Northern Chinese? No.
some thai do look chinese, most look closer to indian/pakistani than chinese but the chinese genetics is certanly there just as it is with many of the '-stans', I've even met a few thai's that were very much black in their appearance
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
#21820733 - 06/17/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Arabs and Persians are classified as "Caucasian" in American demography, even though a trained eye can often spot the difference between a Caucasian, and somebody who is also white who happens to be from the Middle East.
what exactly is an arab? sure, many turks and armenians would fall under caucasian but would they be arabs? persians are more fair complected than what we call an arab but they certainly arent caucasian, they'd fall under aryan in that classification. caucasuans arent the western europeans, they're from central/southern europe and the northern middle east
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21820863 - 06/17/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Arabs and Persians are classified as "Caucasian" in American demography, even though a trained eye can often spot the difference between a Caucasian, and somebody who is also white who happens to be from the Middle East.
what exactly is an arab? sure, many turks and armenians would fall under caucasian but would they be arabs? persians are more fair complected than what we call an arab but they certainly arent caucasian, they'd fall under aryan in that classification. caucasuans arent the western europeans, they're from central/southern europe and the northern middle east
My point is that under the modern definition of "white," there are still many varying degrees of white. Italians and Spaniards don't look the same degree of white as Germans and Scandinavians.
What would you consider Kazakh people to be? They look EurAsian, their language sounds Russian (or Slavic at the very least), yet geographically speaking they come from an "Aryan" country.
FYI this is what Kazakh women look like. I was once mistaken for a Kazakh, but that was when I was in an Afghani restaurant and virtually all of the customers there were from some region of the Middle East.
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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Atreyu] 1
#21820909 - 06/17/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Atreyu said: What about Asians getting surgery to reduce their almond shaped eyes? While they're not trying to pass off as white, this common and widely accepted practice is to alter their appearance in hopes of seeming or coming across as more natural to the western public.
Her lying on Gov. forms to get benefits is wrong, but other than that, is that main issue here her going from white to "black"? I knew of a lady that was born black but wore makeup every day of her life to look white- More of a sad story than a controversy.
A lot of races do that. Latin women bleach their hair blonde, Indians use skin-bleaching cream, black women straighten their hair or wear weaves. All to look less "ethnic" than they do naturally.
It's only a controversy when you go from white to blackface. Personally I don't think she did anything wrong. Seems she truly does identify with being black, really the only problem is that she lied to some scholars about being black.
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