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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21819553 - 06/17/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's not my nonsense, thinking people have known racism is bullshit since before you were born.  The logical conclusion of racism is inbreeding, which kinda makes alot of sense when I think about racists :strokebeard: statistical correlations fit the bill and all


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #21819567 - 06/17/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

AFAIK believing that races constitute distinct categories with particular features is racialism whereas racism is a form of racialism which posits a hierarchy in which races can be superior or inferior to others.

IMO race is a social construction which is so entrenched that it appears to be, and often is, for practical intents and purposes, real.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21819577 - 06/17/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If she didn't wanna be a ginger no more then a simple can of Krylon gloss black and some brown contacts would have sufficed. Shit red contacts would work if she wanted to be the beast of Broadmoore.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21819586 - 06/17/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It's not my nonsense, thinking people have known racism is bullshit since before you were born.  The logical conclusion of racism is inbreeding, which kinda makes alot of sense when I think about racists :strokebeard: statistical correlations fit the bill and all



You say there are no races and then say there is racism.  The NAACP is a racist group as is the Congressional Black Caucus.  Are they inbred?


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21819588 - 06/17/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Race is not a social construct.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21819608 - 06/17/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nope "racialism" as well as "scientific racism" are all essentially the same as plain old racism, it just attempts to escape the stigma by claiming to be somehow valid where regular racism is not.

There is not scientific reasoning behind racism whatsoever, science abandoned it a long time ago, and not because it isn't PC, because it does not stand up to scrutiny. 

It is a purely sociological phenomenon which either stems from or is at least justified by religion and tribalism.  It can be transcended like these things, and we have no use for racism in modern America.  People who cling to it are just too weak to stand on their own two feet and prove their own merit as individuals.  They need to feel they belong to an elite group, and despite trying to soften their racism so they aren't viewed as racists, that is what you are if you think racism is a valid classification system. 

People should be judged on their actions not who their parents are, not the color of their skin, and not who they share bloodlines with.  We are all human and all humans are essentially equal.  All these groups have much more in common than different, there aren't essential differences that can be pointed to, and it is only those that have an agenda they can't come out and say who try to pretend otherwise.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #21819610 - 06/17/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If it isn't now, then at some point, it was. Animals do not have "races", they have subspecies and a certain amount of natural variation. Race is a feature or an artifact of human social organizing.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #21819628 - 06/17/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Nope "racialism" as well as "scientific racism" are all essentially the same as plain old racism, it just attempts to escape the stigma by claiming to be somehow valid where regular racism is not.

There is not scientific reasoning behind racism whatsoever, science abandoned it a long time ago, and not because it isn't PC, because it does not stand up to scrutiny. 

It is a purely sociological phenomenon which either stems from or is at least justified by religion and tribalism.  It can be transcended like these things, and we have no use for racism in modern America.  People who cling to it are just too weak to stand on their own two feet and prove their own merit as individuals.  They need to feel they belong to an elite group, and despite trying to soften their racism so they aren't viewed as racists, that is what you are if you think racism is a valid classification system. 

People should be judged on their actions not who their parents are, not the color of their skin, and not who they share bloodlines with.  We are all human and all humans are essentially equal.  All these groups have much more in common than different, there aren't essential differences that can be pointed to, and it is only those that have an agenda they can't come out and say who try to pretend otherwise.




Science abandoned race a long time ago?

Then how can forensic scientists tell if a person is black or Asian or white or Polynesian based solely on their bones? Let alone the DNA.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21819634 - 06/17/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Really?  Tell me how Great Danes and Chihuahas would not be considered races?

Negroes get different disease.  BUt my point to moon rock is that he asserts there are no races.  If there are no races then he cannot say there is racism.


The NAACP and the Congressional Black Caucus are racist organizations as are all of the traditionally Negro colleges one of which Rachel Dolezal sued.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21819638 - 06/17/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Nope "racialism" as well as "scientific racism" are all essentially the same as plain old racism, it just attempts to escape the stigma by claiming to be somehow valid where regular racism is not.

There is not scientific reasoning behind racism whatsoever, science abandoned it a long time ago, and not because it isn't PC, because it does not stand up to scrutiny. 

It is a purely sociological phenomenon which either stems from or is at least justified by religion and tribalism.  It can be transcended like these things, and we have no use for racism in modern America.  People who cling to it are just too weak to stand on their own two feet and prove their own merit as individuals.  They need to feel they belong to an elite group, and despite trying to soften their racism so they aren't viewed as racists, that is what you are if you think racism is a valid classification system. 

People should be judged on their actions not who their parents are, not the color of their skin, and not who they share bloodlines with.  We are all human and all humans are essentially equal.  All these groups have much more in common than different, there aren't essential differences that can be pointed to, and it is only those that have an agenda they can't come out and say who try to pretend otherwise.




Science abandoned race a long time ago?

Then how can forensic scientists tell if a person is black or Asian or white or Polynesian based solely on their bones? Let alone the DNA.



His argument is just pure bullshit that doesn't withstand even the least scrutiny..


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21819643 - 06/17/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

They are not "races", they are breeds. I guess you could say that a breed is part of the constitution of a race but not the whole thing. Race includes history, culture, and status. AFAIK chihuahuas do not have a shared cultural history.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21819645 - 06/17/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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If it isn't now, then at some point, it was. Animals do not have "races", they have subspecies and a certain amount of natural variation. Race is a feature of human organization.



Yeah the various populations of humans just haven't spent enough time in isolation from each other to justify sharply delineated categories. There is nearly always some genetic exchange with neighboring populations.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21819651 - 06/17/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Nope "racialism" as well as "scientific racism" are all essentially the same as plain old racism, it just attempts to escape the stigma by claiming to be somehow valid where regular racism is not.

There is not scientific reasoning behind racism whatsoever, science abandoned it a long time ago, and not because it isn't PC, because it does not stand up to scrutiny. 

It is a purely sociological phenomenon which either stems from or is at least justified by religion and tribalism.  It can be transcended like these things, and we have no use for racism in modern America.  People who cling to it are just too weak to stand on their own two feet and prove their own merit as individuals.  They need to feel they belong to an elite group, and despite trying to soften their racism so they aren't viewed as racists, that is what you are if you think racism is a valid classification system. 

People should be judged on their actions not who their parents are, not the color of their skin, and not who they share bloodlines with.  We are all human and all humans are essentially equal.  All these groups have much more in common than different, there aren't essential differences that can be pointed to, and it is only those that have an agenda they can't come out and say who try to pretend otherwise.




Science abandoned race a long time ago?

Then how can forensic scientists tell if a person is black or Asian or white or Polynesian based solely on their bones? Let alone the DNA.




If you asked these forensic scientests, I'm sure they could explain it to you:

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Abstract-Most anthropologists have abandoned the concept of race as a research tool and as a valid
representation of human biological diversity. Yet, race identification continues to be one of the central
foci of forensic anthropological casework and research. It is maintained in this paper that the successful
assignment of race to a skeletal specimen is not a vindication of the race concept, but rather a prediction
that an individual, while alive was assigned to a particular socially constructed ‘racial’ category. A
specimen may display features that point to African ancestry. In this country that person is likely to have
been labeled Black regardless of whether or not such a race actually exists in nature.



http://anthropology.msu.edu/anp202-us14/files/2012/05/Sauer-1992-Forensic-Anthropology-Race-Concept-1.pdf

If you understood science you would know that a scientist is not going to make a claim like that.  They can make educated guesses as to what race someone would likely be identified as, which does not validate the pseudoscience of racism.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21819659 - 06/17/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I ask again, if there are no races how can you claim that there is racism?  Everybody else seems to think there are races including Rachel, the NAACP and the Congressional Black Caucus.


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    #21819668 - 06/17/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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She actually looks much better ethnic. There I said it.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Crystal G]
    #21819673 - 06/17/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Everybody looks better with a tan, right Crystal?


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #21819674 - 06/17/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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They are not "races", they are breeds. I guess you could say that a breed is part of the constitutio  of a race but not the whole thing. Race includes history, culture, and status. AFAIK chihuahuas do not have a shared cultural history.




Plus the breeds only continue to remain distinct from each other by human intervention. The belief by their breeders that they are and should remain distinct from other breeds is the main thing keeping them distinct. If all dogs went feral, after a few generations you would continue to see huge variation, but the neat categories they now fit into would pretty much dissolve completely.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21819681 - 06/17/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Everybody looks better with a tan, right Crystal?




Too true. I can't think of a goddamn single person who doesn't look better without one. :lol:


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21819691 - 06/17/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Nope "racialism" as well as "scientific racism" are all essentially the same as plain old racism, it just attempts to escape the stigma by claiming to be somehow valid where regular racism is not.

There is not scientific reasoning behind racism whatsoever, science abandoned it a long time ago, and not because it isn't PC, because it does not stand up to scrutiny. 

It is a purely sociological phenomenon which either stems from or is at least justified by religion and tribalism.  It can be transcended like these things, and we have no use for racism in modern America.  People who cling to it are just too weak to stand on their own two feet and prove their own merit as individuals.  They need to feel they belong to an elite group, and despite trying to soften their racism so they aren't viewed as racists, that is what you are if you think racism is a valid classification system. 

People should be judged on their actions not who their parents are, not the color of their skin, and not who they share bloodlines with.  We are all human and all humans are essentially equal.  All these groups have much more in common than different, there aren't essential differences that can be pointed to, and it is only those that have an agenda they can't come out and say who try to pretend otherwise.




"all humans are essentially equal"

Nope.

"there aren't essential differences that can be pointed to"

Really?  There's big physical and mental differences between different groups of people, are you blind? Why do these differences bother people, it's a fact of life.


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Re: Rachel A. Dolezal is a disgusting human being [Re: psi]
    #21819692 - 06/17/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I read once that if we stopped breeding them selectively they would all become medium sized light brown. 

By the way, humanity is getting there.  There are more and more mixed race people all the time.  But Rachel isn't one of them and neither is Elizabeth Warren.


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