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humanevolution
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Are we born with a moral compass?
#21805822 - 06/14/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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During my last trip, I had come to the conclusion that we are born with a natural moral compass which can either be enhanced or diminished by our environment.
I believe this moral compass is tied to our spirit/soul/conscious and was given to us by a higher power/The Universe as a guide so that we can live in harmony with our surroundings.
Removing the ego and reaching higher state of consciousness reconnects us more with our moral compass, (which before this and in lower states of consciousness) can be buried deep inside of us and replaced with negative defense mechanisms/the ego in response to the negative, selfish and destructive path humanity and its leaders have us currently following.
Any thoughts?
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Weiliithinker
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I completely agree I like to call the compass intuition
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Re: Are we born with a moral compass? [Re: Weiliithinker]
#21805839 - 06/14/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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We have certain instincts instilled in us by evolution. Humans are highly collaborative animals, so generally pro-social behavior is what we consider "moral". That's why you know killing another person is wrong, because if everyone killed each other whenever they got mad, we'd have never reached this point as a species.
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I think removing or diminishing the ego allows us to see that the ego is a product of our environment. Sometimes we grow up in really fucked up environments and taking the ego out of the equation for a bit can help us to see that we're no longer in that fucked up place. This helps us to seek out help, rebuild trust, and ultimately change how we look at things. Which in turn allows our sense of self (ego) to develop a more harmonious relationship with the world around us.
My 2 cents anyway.
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PrimalSoup
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I sort of agree with the OP although I would never express it like that...
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I think me and OP think in a very similar way, in this regard, i too look at the basic things in life, like morals and necessities, and wonder if they are the way they are through collective knowledge of a species, or were they given to us as tools from a higher power.
Its a well known fact that everyone is born with a moral compass, intuition, empathy, etc., and the lack of this is often referred to as sociopath-ism. The most well known version of sociopath-ism being the inability to tell right from wrong, and believing oneself to be the only true entity in this universe.
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humanevolution said: Removing the ego and reaching higher state of consciousness reconnects us more with our moral compass, (which before this and in lower states of consciousness) can be buried deep inside of us and replaced with negative defense mechanisms/the ego in response to the negative, selfish and destructive path humanity and its leaders have us currently following.
Any thoughts?
Now this really resonates with me. I recently experienced ego death for the first time, and never before have i ever felt so connected to society. My empathy has increased tenfold along with my rationality. All parts of what i would define as the moral compass.
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Re: Are we born with a moral compass? [Re: LSDreamer]
#21808157 - 06/14/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LSDreamer said: We have certain instincts instilled in us by evolution. Humans are highly collaborative animals, so generally pro-social behavior is what we consider "moral". That's why you know killing another person is wrong, because if everyone killed each other whenever they got mad, we'd have never reached this point as a species.
That's not what makes it wrong though. If we didn't have kids, we'd have never gotten to this point as a species either, but hardly anyone thinks its immoral not to have kids.
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Re: Are we born with a moral compass? [Re: Deviate]
#21808187 - 06/14/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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But people think having kids is a beautiful thing. Or at least most want to try and protect children.
Actually certain points in history, it was looked down upon if a woman couldn't/didn't have children.
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humanevolution
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Re: Are we born with a moral compass? [Re: Achillita]
#21813893 - 06/16/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LSDreamer said: We have certain instincts instilled in us by evolution. Humans are highly collaborative animals, so generally pro-social behavior is what we consider "moral". That's why you know killing another person is wrong, because if everyone killed each other whenever they got mad, we'd have never reached this point as a species.
I don't believe morals are like instincts. Instincts, in my opinion are based on survival, such as eating, drinking, procreating. Instincts seem rooted in matter and are there for the continuance of the species and body/vehicle. They are animalistic in nature and we usually cannot decide against them. I feel that instincts are tied to the animal/vehicle and morals are tied to the soul/driver. That feeling you get when you do something good? Or that feeling you get when you do something bad? That is your moral compass guiding you, that special tool given to us so that we may live in harmony with the Universe. It is our internal guide. It shows us the Universe's path for us as to live in balance with our surroundings. I’m not talking about culture specific morals aka religion etc (although they too are derived from our moral compass). I am talking about our basic natural morality that stands below religion and social learning that all humans possess. This stands at the foundation of everyone’s conscious. The simplest answers to world peace and happiness are inside of us all if only we could follow this. It is when we go against our moral compass that problems arise. And unfortunately, the people who rule this world (sociopaths and psychopaths) have chosen not to follow their moral compass and consequently have directed our collective conscious in the wrong direction (greed, power, profits and earth's destruction), which is why this planet and humanity is in such a poor state. But, this is the environment we are forced to live in, and often a person feels that they have no choice but to go against their moral compass in order to live in this cruel world, as to adapt to the negative state of our collective conscious. Although similar in nature to instincts, I believe our moral compass is a conscious guide given to us by a higher power. It is not learned here on Earth, it is passed down to us through previous lives, connected to our soul/conscious. Instincts are automatic ie (I am hungry, so I must eat.) Morals are a choice. My views are very closely related to Darwin’s views on Natural Morality. I just believe that our soul/conscious and not evolution/DNA carries our morals from past lives and beyond in a Universal Cycle as explained in the oldest Eastern religions. The closest scientific approach to explaining morality that I could find is below, but it is still only theory and speculation like most of science when dealing with these matters. Science has a very hard time explaining our conscious. http://www.wiringthebrain.com/2011/06/where-do-morals-come-from.html
Thanks for any inputs!
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PrimalSoup
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Morals are exactly like instincts, they are something that has furthered the survival of a social species (humans) over deep evolutionary time. They aren't imposed from without or passed down from on high, they are simply the biological adaptation of the brain to the problem of how to exist successfully in cooperative groups against both internal and external threats to survival.
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humanevolution
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Re: Are we born with a moral compass? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21814346 - 06/16/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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humanevolution
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Re: Are we born with a moral compass? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21814397 - 06/16/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: Morals are exactly like instincts, they are something that has furthered the survival of a social species (humans) over deep evolutionary time. They aren't imposed from without or passed down from on high, they are simply the biological adaptation of the brain to the problem of how to exist successfully in cooperative groups against both internal and external threats to survival.
I don't think so... if morals were like instincts they would be called instincts.
Instincts are automatic. Morals have a choice. Morals are tied to our soul/conscious. Instincts are tied to our body/DNA.
If you can find me proof that morals have somehow mutated onto our DNA strains over time, I would be shocked. So far there isn't any proof of this, just theory. I believe morals are part of the coding of the universe and have been around since the beginning of time.
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PrimalSoup
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Now it's just semantics. Oh well. 
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