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ShroomBoyJ
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Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization
#21805772 - 06/14/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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During the mycelium colonization, Gas exchange is already a necessity and some people consider incubators. These are all great but what most people don't try that actually works very well is shaking your jar a bit and making all the substrate fall to one side of the jar and placing your jar sideways so that the gas exchanged that enters the jar can reach the bottom of the jar where sometimes the substrate can't get to quickly due to less air exchange. This simple technique can provide better, and faster colonization for your jars.
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: ShroomBoyJ]
#21805816 - 06/14/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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People have been setting stalled jars sideways for as long as I've been growing.
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: Inocuole]
#21805837 - 06/14/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you use half gal jars for spawn you have to do that.
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: bodhisatta]
#21805964 - 06/14/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've heard of people getting away without doing that but probably only with larger grains. A good first shake with certain inoculums can make all the difference though.
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: Inocuole]
#21821147 - 06/17/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes it applies to stalling jars and jars that are smaller such as pints.
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: ShroomBoyJ]
#21822888 - 06/18/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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and since co2 is heavier it will tend to "drain" out of the jars
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: ivangrozny2]
#21822914 - 06/18/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wrong.
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: ivangrozny2]
#21822924 - 06/18/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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ivangrozny2 said: and since co2 is heavier it will tend to "drain" out of the jars
This is ridiculous, do you even know how air works?
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: Inocuole]
#21823136 - 06/18/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
#21823879 - 06/18/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't know. My mycelium colonizes in a nice round circle without tilting the jar on its side. That would seem to imply it's already growing evenly in all directions would it not?
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: Kizzle]
#21824719 - 06/18/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: I don't know. My mycelium colonizes in a nice round circle without tilting the jar on its side. That would seem to imply it's already growing evenly in all directions would it not?
Of course it would! But we appreciate you posing the rhetorical question as if you were giving this guy a chance to be right. True show of class there.
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: bodhisatta]
#21825067 - 06/18/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: If you use half gal jars for spawn you have to do that.
I never have. LC/LI FTW
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: azur]
#21825100 - 06/18/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That only increases the urface area of the grains, not the holes which they flow through- it would still be constricted.
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: TravelAgency]
#21825336 - 06/18/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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TravelAgency said: That only increases the urface area of the grains, not the holes which they flow through- it would still be constricted.
Do you mind explaining exactly what you mean by that?
Because increasing the surface area of the grains and reducing the amount of grain that air has to travel past in order to reach the grain closest to the glass does reduce constriction, which your hypothesis(or whatever it is) seems to contradict.
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: bodhisatta]
#21825460 - 06/18/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: If you use half gal jars for spawn you have to do that.
I have never had to put a half gallon jar on its side, and I've never had one go anaerobic on me, but I only inoculate half gallons via g2g or LC.
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: NumeroEno]
#21825986 - 06/18/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I regularly inoculate 1/2 gallons with wedges and successfully colonize standing up.
Its more important that your grains aren't spilling over and resting on your filter by being laid on their sides then worrying about gas exchange/anaerobic issues. 1/4 inch hole + filter is plenty efficient.
Imagine the nightmare of trying to balance dozens of jars sideways.  Never mind the incubator.
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NumeroEno
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: poofterFroth]
#21826014 - 06/18/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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poofterFroth said: I regularly inoculate 1/2 gallons with wedges and successfully colonize standing up.
Its more important that your grains aren't spilling over and resting on your filter by being laid on their sides then worrying about gas exchange/anaerobic issues. 1/4 inch hole + filter is plenty efficient.
Imagine the nightmare of trying to balance dozens of jars sideways.  Never mind the incubator.
Right? I actually use plastic lids with SFDs and 3/8" holes. Even when my grains get a little extra wet from using LI or LC I don't have any trouble. I fucking love half gallons.
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: NumeroEno]
#21826033 - 06/18/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Eno, as you know I've used half gallons for a lloonnngg time. Love em. But wait til you start using bags.
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: azur]
#21826356 - 06/19/15 12:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm about to start now that I've got the hang of LC and have a 25x on the way. I'm gearing up for some outdoor edible grows and need lots of spawn for the bed I built. Right now I'm composting a bunch of grass clippings and yard waste, and I'm gonna throw a bunch of hpoo in there and do some blazei while it's really hot and oysters once it cools off. Bags will be nice for that.
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: NumeroEno]
#21826630 - 06/19/15 03:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The biggest problem with colonization times has more to do with the cultivators grain prep technique then it does with how and where they store their jars. Properly dry grain before loading into jars and cooking them for atleast 2 hours is the best cure for stalled colonization. Noobs are more likely to take the laziest way out (shorter pc times and shorter straining times). Over hydrated grains and/ or bacteria are the biggest culprits for grain jars stalling. When new cultivators finally realize that patience and proper technique are all that is needed to have great results, only then will they see extended periods of success.
Edited by insanemike (06/19/15 03:06 AM)
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Re: Uncommon Great advice on speeding up Myc. Colonization [Re: insanemike]
#21826664 - 06/19/15 03:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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insanemike said: The biggest problem with colonization times has more to do with the cultivators grain prep technique then it does with how and where they store their jars. Properly dry grain before loading into jars and cooking them for atleast 2 hours is the best cure for stalled colonization. Noobs are more likely to take the laziest way out (shorter pc times and shorter straining times). Over hydrated grains and/ or bacteria are the biggest culprits for grain jars stalling. When new cultivators finally realize that patience and proper technique are all that is needed to have great results, only then will they see extended periods of success.
Amen
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