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    #21805715 - 06/14/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I know it sounds RIDICULOUS right? Well I'm called mad season, and there has to be a little madness in my methods.

So as I'm sure lots of you have noticed, I'm doing pure horse manure/gypsum trays. Each manure tray in this experiment is spawned with a 1/2 pint jar of a2g bird seed or a 1 pint jar of oats. I take cactus soil and mix with verm 50/50 for a casing layer.


These particular ones are bird seed:
       
I shake my jars by banging against 2 oven mitts on the counter. RR used a bike tire.


Poured on top of 2-3 quarts of manure (that's right it's between 1:8-1:12 spawn ratio)

       
This is it mixed so i see a grain every cm-inch and ready to go!

1 day after spawning:


2 days:


9 days later 100% colonized and cased (I decided to leave them untouched for a week and came to fully colonized subs). I use 1 qt of 50/50 cactus soil and verm casings per tray:

I like to let the casing colonize a bit before putting into fruiting. I get way better pinsets if I do.

3 days later thrown into fruiting:

I just use my monotubs pre dialed for fruiting. These particular tubs are 105 qts, and they fit 4 trays almost too perfectly...

Between 8-12 quarts of substrate and 1 quart of bird seed or 2 quarts of oats is used per 105 qt monotub. Isn't that crazy?!

We're following these 3 trays though and their pinset has gotten wild. It's almost too convenient they're all going at the same rates. They're also all different varieties. Ecuador, Cambodian, and creeper. That's why I wanted to post it because I can't believe what is coming out of such a low amount of spawn and substrate stretched over a wide surface area.

   

Here they come!

                   

This is today. Won't be long now!! :O


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Re: 1/2 pint tall spawn jars (bird seed) [Re: Mad Season]
    #21805743 - 06/14/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Noice!


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Re: 1/2 pint tall spawn jars (bird seed) [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21808767 - 06/14/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks sir :smile:

Here's some shots before going to bed:



:rockon: can't wait for wet weight tomorrow. I reckon a few ounces for sure from less than 1 quart of bird seed.


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Re: 1/2 pint tall spawn jars (bird seed) [Re: Mad Season]
    #21808781 - 06/14/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: 1/2 pint tall spawn jars (bird seed) [Re: Mad Season]
    #21808783 - 06/14/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Like Christmas waking up to a bunch of presents! :cheers:


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Re: 1/2 pint tall spawn jars (bird seed) [Re: Mad Season]
    #21808785 - 06/14/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Beauties! Happy for you! Got my first signs of growth in 12 out of 13 jars today- only one contam'd. Can't wait till I start seeing the beautiful buggers in person again.


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Re: 1/2 pint tall spawn jars (bird seed) [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21810894 - 06/15/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Went well beyond my expectations... Holy shit. :O

I'll let the pics do the speaking.

                       

Close to 2.5 ounces dry from 1 tray :O. Half a pint of bird seed and 2-3 qts of manure giving 2.5 ounces.. these things are so beastly.


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Re: 1/2 pint tall spawn jars (bird seed) [Re: Mad Season]
    #21810988 - 06/15/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)




You'll have to give a report- they look super healthy!


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Re: 1/2 pint tall spawn jars (bird seed) [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21816144 - 06/16/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



Check out this guy :smile: I wasn't expecting him to finish 2nd lol. I didn't take any weight measurements :frown: I was in a huge hurry today. In fact I only picked around half of it. Just the big guys.


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Re: 1/2 pint tall spawn jars (bird seed) [Re: Mad Season]
    #21816362 - 06/16/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nice trays dude!
You keeping an eye out for clones?


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Re: 1/2 pint tall spawn jars (bird seed) [Re: mushpunx]
    #21816440 - 06/16/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks mush! :smile:
The last tray. It'll be my first creeper clone :smile:


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Re: 1/2 pint bird seed spawn jars (Pin Porn!) [Re: Mad Season]
    #21816649 - 06/16/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I wish that you would give me a lesson the in the abbreviations to explain the abbreviations.  I had a dude get pissed but did do a tutorial on how to post pictures.  So glad he did.  Look at what I did   I learned something new on top of getting to about 90% colonization without any contaminates.  I do have 6 contaminated ones but bought more to replace the damaged jars.    I wish that you would do a batch of the BRF tek, I think is what it is called. ( Brown Rice Flour Cakes) Verm and brown rice flour.  Steamed for 90 minutes.  Like do a noob session then show the next complicated one and so on and so forth.  I want to learn each technique and level up so to speak with each batch. 
I especially cant wait to make the jello ones.  :grin:


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Re: 1/2 pint bird seed spawn jars (Pin Porn!) [Re: magicallyfunky]
    #21817136 - 06/16/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Haha honestly I'm down for that, but I wouldn't say it's what I believe every noob should do. I'd do it just as an experiment and fun experience. I started off doing grain spawn and spawning to manure, just like how I am now. I've just heavily worked on my techniques.

I'd be down to do brf because I've never done it. Hell I've never bucket tekd or used coir. I date a horse girl, so horse manure is outside my door by the truck load.


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Re: 1/2 pint bird seed spawn jars (Pin Porn!) [Re: Mad Season]
    #21817156 - 06/16/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hell ive just posted a topic before seeing this.
so irrating.
anyway do i need a pressure cooker to do this ???


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Re: 1/2 pint bird seed spawn jars (Pin Porn!) [Re: Cujllickduo]
    #21817184 - 06/16/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Definitely need a pressure cooker for anything grain related. Even agar is best pressure cooked (though lab grade bottles say to microwave for 5 minutes).

I got my pcs for free. I'm buying a presto 23 qt tomorrow for under 150, but I have been using an 8 qt and 10 qt pressure cooker for all my previous grows. I upped my pc times to 2.5 hours on grains using them to get success. I'd highly suggest getting a bigger pc, although I made due, it was very time consuming. A good pressure cooker is the first big investment anyone should do if they're going to get serious with this hobby


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Re: 1/2 pint tall spawn jars (bird seed) [Re: Mad Season]
    #21817500 - 06/17/15 01:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Check out this guy :smile: I wasn't expecting him to finish 2nd lol. I didn't take any weight measurements :frown: I was in a huge hurry today. In fact I only picked around half of it. Just the big guys.




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Re: 1/2 pint bird seed spawn jars (Pin Porn!) [Re: Mad Season]
    #21821450 - 06/17/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think I may know what I'm doing my next grow. . .
How easy and safe(I.E. Contam free, etc) to everything from inoculation to harvest in comparison with a BRF crumble & Case? 
About the same, right?

Beautiful flushes by the way!  Love your logs, always informative and visually stimulating!


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Re: 1/2 pint bird seed spawn jars (Pin Porn!) [Re: sk8cracka]
    #21821765 - 06/18/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well I'd say it's a bit longer working with agar to make clean grain spawn, but overall it's easy. Certain aspects are harder like sterile techniques, but other aspects are far easier like fruiting conditions. I find bulk to be far more fool proof in fruiting over cakes. It's pretty set and forget.

Thanks!! :smile: I'm quite happy you think so!

Here's what I came home to. I worked hella late. I'm passing out almost. I'm thinking of leaving it til morning. It's already been spored up a bunch haha. It still looks beautiful!

           


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Re: 1/2 pint bird seed spawn jars (Pin Porn!) [Re: Mad Season]
    #21823919 - 06/18/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Well I'd say it's a bit longer working with agar to make clean grain spawn, but overall it's easy. Certain aspects are harder like sterile techniques, but other aspects are far easier like fruiting conditions. I find bulk to be far more fool proof in fruiting over cakes. It's pretty set and forget.

Thanks!! :smile: I'm quite happy you think so!

Here's what I came home to. I worked hella late. I'm passing out almost. I'm thinking of leaving it til morning. It's already been spored up a bunch haha. It still looks beautiful!

           



Thanks for the info, Nympho! 
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Re: 1/2 pint bird seed spawn jars (Pin Porn!) [Re: Mad Season]
    #21896385 - 07/04/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

nice job! i'm impressed with the low spawn ratio!



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:lol: this pic really threw me off.  i thought those were full size tubs and you were doing 6" subs with a 2" casing layer.


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Re: 1/2 pint bird seed spawn jars (Pin Porn!) [Re: FriedEgg]
    #21896416 - 07/04/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

LOL could you imagine? They really do look bigger than they are eh?

Thanks man :smile: now I gotta see if there's any noticeable differences between high and low ratios. I'm making an epic grow of clones to see lol. Won't be long now :laugh:


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Re: 1/2 pint bird seed spawn jars (Pin Porn!) [Re: Mad Season]
    #21896429 - 07/04/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:yeahthatsright:

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Re: 1/2 pint tall spawn jars (bird seed) [Re: Mad Season]
    #22025484 - 07/31/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've been trying my ass off to get large fruits like the ones in your signature. I'm assuming that those little trays have only 1/2-1 pints of spawn. Which strains are you using? I've been doing Amazonian for over a year, since I'm familiar with it.

My subs are about 3-4" deep and I use 2 qts spawn & 6 qts coir50/verm50. I find coir/verm cheap, so the cost is not an issue, but I was told to use 80% coir, but I've heard that coir doesn't have any actual nutrients nor does vermiculite. Is this true or does it even matter what % I use?

Well, I'm off to pasteurize a shit ton of subs...

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Re: 1/2 pint tall spawn jars (bird seed) [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
    #22025526 - 07/31/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've done basically every variety, and I can't really tell any differences between them. It's just that if you get a few pins, you'll get lots of big fruits. One way or another it seems to equal out in weight. That's why I don't mind if I get a small amount of pins :P

In this experiment I did 1/2 pint bird seed jars spawned to 90% horse manure 10% straw and 5% gypsum. 2-3 qts of substrate per tray(1:8-1:12 spawn ratio). It gives me a 2-3 inch substrate depth. I can see 1.5 ounces first flush dry minimum. Most I've seen is 3 ounces in 1 tray


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Re: My low spawn ratio experiment (1:8-1:12 wbs:hpoo) [Re: Mad Season]
    #23207414 - 05/09/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

:congrats:

I missed this during my hiatus.

I like the smaller trays in monos, mostly because they are low and easier to harvest, line, and clean. Hopefully, what I'm working on works out well, too.


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Re: My low spawn ratio experiment (1:8-1:12 wbs:hpoo) [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #23207969 - 05/09/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Sweet grow Mad Season!  :headbanger:
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Re: My low spawn ratio experiment (1:8-1:12 wbs:hpoo) [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #23228500 - 05/15/16 02:17 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Woah, good to see you back around SpitballJedi! :thumbup:


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Re: My low spawn ratio experiment (1:8-1:12 wbs:hpoo) [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #23228520 - 05/15/16 02:32 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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:congrats:

I missed this during my hiatus.

I like the smaller trays in monos, mostly because they are low and easier to harvest, line, and clean. Hopefully, what I'm working on works out well, too.




I only just recently tried trays and I gotta say, I like them more than I thought I would. Gives you a better chance to get a good clone and better to test cultures with them rather than full blow monotubs.


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Re: My low spawn ratio experiment (1:8-1:12 wbs:hpoo) [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23228858 - 05/15/16 05:28 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I love trays. Idk wtf it is about them, but they bring a smile to my face. They're also sexy centre pieces.

There's pros and cons to trays, just like any method; however, they shocked me the first time I used them too. Now I rarely make tubs.


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Re: My low spawn ratio experiment (1:8-1:12 wbs:hpoo) [Re: Mad Season]
    #23230048 - 05/15/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Well, give the fact that 1 good tray can keep you high everyday for a month, a monotub does seem overkill :P.


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