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My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! *DELETED*
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
#21805427 - 06/14/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Welcome!
The road to recovery is never an easy one traveled. Wish ya well!
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
#21805429 - 06/14/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good luck here, buncha assholes, you ask me.
But seriously, ever read 'In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts'?
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INTRODUCTION: The mandala, the Buddhist Wheel of Life, revolves through six realms. Each realm is populated by characters representing aspects of human existence—our various ways of being. In the Beast Realm we are driven by basic survival instincts and appetites such as physical hunger and sexuality, what Freud called the Id. The denizens of the Hell Realm are trapped in states of unbearable rage and anxiety. In the God Realm we transcend our troubles and our egos through sensual, aesthetic or religious experience, but only temporarily and in ignorance of spiritual truth. Even this enviable state is tinged with loss and suffering.
The inhabitants of the Hungry Ghost Realm are depicted as creatures with scrawny necks, small mouths, emaciated limbs and large, bloated, empty bellies. This is the domain of addiction, where we constantly seek something outside ourselves to curb an insatiable yearning for relief or fulfillment. The aching emptiness is perpetual because the substances, objects or pursuits we hope will soothe it are not what we really need. We don’t know what we need, and so long as we stay in the hungry ghost mode, we’ll never know. We haunt our lives without being fully present.
Some people dwell much of their lives in one realm or another. Many of us move back and forth between them, perhaps through all of them in the course of a single day.
My medical work with drug addicts in Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside has given me a unique opportunity to know human beings who spend almost all their time as hungry ghosts. It’s their attempt, I believe, to escape the Hell Realm of overwhelming fear, rage and despair. The painful longing in their hearts reflects something of the emptiness that may also be experienced by people with apparently happier lives. Those whom we dismiss as “junkies” are not creatures from a different world, only men and women mired at the extreme end of a continuum on which, here or there, all of us might well locate ourselves. I can personally attest to that. “You slink around your life with a hungry look,” someone close once said to me. Facing the harmful compulsions of my patients, I have had to encounter my own.
No society can understand itself without looking at its shadow side. I believe there is one addiction process, whether it is manifested in the lethal substance dependencies of my Downtown Eastside patients; the frantic self-soothing of overeaters or shopaholics; the obsessions of gamblers, sexaholics and compulsive Internet users; or the socially acceptable and even admired behaviours of the workaholic. Drug addicts are often dismissed and discounted as unworthy of empathy and respect. In telling their stories my intent is twofold: to help their voices to be heard and to shed light on the origins and nature of their ill-fated struggle to overcome suffering through substance abuse. They have much in common with the society that ostracizes them. If they seem to have chosen a path to nowhere, they still have much to teach the rest of us. In the dark mirror of their lives, we can trace outlines of our own.
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21805433 - 06/14/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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does the wsp in yer name stand for widespread panic?
-------------------- I fucking hate you... God damn, I love you... But we both know if we stick together, we'll just tear ourselves apart You are my sunshine, my only sunshine, you make me happy, when skies are grey You are my heroin, but there's an abscess... God damn, I miss the vein!
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: Detached]
#21805617 - 06/14/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you! Sincerely
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21805625 - 06/14/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No I have'nt,definitely gonna check it out though!looks right up my alley,thank you!
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: sanchothestoner]
#21805634 - 06/14/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ohh yea brotha!widespread mutha fuckin panic!
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
#21805693 - 06/14/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Truth is rarely pleasant
So if you can learn to listen to yourself on the parts of life that are not exactly what you wanted, then you may learn
Your mind may say "i shouldn't do this" , "i shouldn't have done that"
But then you do it still, it was cheap, you got the rebate, you just had money for it, or the mushrooms were free as we grow them
Mushrooms do have a recovery time afterwards, there's a down to pay for every up
They can teach what we must do, but the recovery starts afterwards
We cannot escape into drugs, and if we have deaths in real life it is not a good time to do drugs, same if we just lost a good friend or two - or got fired from work
Psychedelic drugs seem to amplify our emotions, they usually only work good when we have had a good day
We cannot use them to escape, but we can use them to heal if we know what we want to heal or where we want to go
I got my own addictions healed with the help of LSD, they can all teach the same it seems. The best way I found to trip was to plan the trips on fridays or saturdays, then walk in nature. Mushroom chocolates is my best method by far (got a good recipe in journal)
The more you pay attention to set,setting,dose and your intent for the trip, the more you can get out of it. The more you learn from the trip and use in your real life - i.e. if the mushroom tells you to do something for others or yourself.
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
#21805716 - 06/14/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why don't you consider mushrooms to be in the same category as other drugs, and why do you see other substances as inherently evil?
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: Fletcher] 1
#21805867 - 06/14/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I didn't mean to say that I think "all" other drugs are evil,probably worded it wrong but I meant the category of drugs that I personally think are evil because they do soo much damage and soo little good like heroine and cocaine. And like all drugs they can be used as tools for good or evil but I think now days there are much better tools for the applications that heroine and cocaine where used for in the past.
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: Fletcher]
#21805886 - 06/14/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also by the category "drugs" i meant I don't think mushrooms should be put into same category with such bad connotations around it that where applied in large part by the Reagan administrations war on "drugs".
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
#21806561 - 06/14/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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There are drugs that really mostly sedate the mind, and there are drugs that help renew the mind
But no drug helps renew a mind without the user being ready
Mushrooms must be respected as much as any drug, too much use can damage the mind - and after own use of them a bit, maybe 20-40 trips, don't quite remember, I have to agree with most other people that they shouldn't really be used weekly
If you use them weekly you should not use a very high dose.
High doses above 3.5gs may take many weeks to resolve in your mind. Or years likely...
4g-5g territory is not a lightweight territory, it may format your mind, you may spend a decade remaking your mind
With great power comes great responsibility. They have the power to destroy the mind completely, or to heal it completely
It all depends on the person,dosage,setting
I keep to max 3.5g or so, and the occasional high dose trip - I know my dose There's a price to pay with any dose.
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: lessismore]
#21806579 - 06/14/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would much rather recommend lucid dreaming if you like exploring your spirituality
www.ld4all.nl www.dreamviews.com
Same precautions as LSD/mushrooms apply
The trips are usually much better than any lsd/shroom trip, better visuals too
No drugs needed, your mind can do it naturally Anybody can learn to fly in their dreams, manifest, teleport, see anything, go anywhere
You can go through walls, you can jump off buildings Love that , It's one of my favorite life activities since I was 4 years old or so
It's also connected to astral projection, out of body experiences etc. You can fly out of your body every night if you want
But there are severe precautions, as many as with mushrooms/LSD you can risk a possession in these realms - and you should read their safety guidance/FAQ
there is nothing to fear, in fact fear can let these demons in - fear gives them access to you, but like driving a vehicle you must know what you do and keep calm
Edit: the WILD method always works for me, but only works when not on other drugs - i.e. weed daily will give me 0 dreams, I need a body without drugs for this to work, else I get no dream control. With WILD I can trip a few times a month in my dreams, or once a week or so - and it is VERY intense, more intense than a high dose LSD, more real too
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: lessismore]
#21806766 - 06/14/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If what your talking about is being able to make those types of dreams happen then this is the first I've heard of it! Should be an interesting research project for me,thanks for the advice! I wouldn't find it very hard to believe that those of us that seek out psycadelic substances weren't all first inspired to do so because of the aww inspiring dreams we've had! Wether we realize it or not. psycadelic's and those types of dreams are the only real magic I've experienced in my life!
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
#21806862 - 06/14/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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or more like hearing how people can hallucinate on mushrooms
and then "the matrix" 1999 :-) , best movie ever
I always wanted to hallucinate, it's pretty cool
but deep down I think it stems from my dreams, and from wanting to know my reality due to philosophically minded all life, got the "hackers mind" - want to make new solutions to things or find out how things work with most things - that's why I run linux for many years and program all life too
but then I saw some Timothy Leary about how you could hack your program/brain ;-)
strange guy .. :-D
also heard Richard Feynmann/John Lennon took LSD, and I liked their mentality
so I guess you could say I researched everything I could research before I played with my mind, I never took a drug in my life before I took psychedelics (except alcohol). Not even cigs. First did psychedelics at 25.
but it would also be pretty cool to have a trip different from the usual alcohol binge 'every weekend', a hallucination trip that's probably where many people get the idea from, that there are other drugs out there and many people recommend them, say they are safe, Holland has legal psychedelic mushrooms etc.
lots of reasons but then there are also some downsides to taking psychedelics, the more you take them, the more solutions you see, the more philosophical you can be often too
it's just like with weed, weed can make everything in the world interesting same can psychedelics do...
not everything in the world is interesting, it must be nice to have stuff that sucks and is not worth researching... ;-) - so be moderate
- but in the end yeah.... I had 1-2 lucid dreams each year all my life, and 1-2 a month when practicing them, at least 100+ my whole life - very intense dreams, always flying on top of where I live, and I remember them subconsciously - they impact everything I do in my life, and make me view reality very alternative to most people. Everyone I have talked to except 1 has laughed at me when I mentioned flying in ones dreams...
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: lessismore]
#21806901 - 06/14/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lucid dreams get stored as real in your brain, so I remember at least 20 of them like yesterday in full color and feeling
I remember who I met, where I were, how it felt, what I thought etc.
just like if I had been there in reality
So they impact my day intensely, all those dreams I have jumped out of buildings in lucid dreams, that is very intense - happened before I took my first trip, 5 years before
Blew my mind completely, but I had forgotten for a few years
Fear there can be very intense - if you jump out, you have to process the fear of dying in this reality it seems
.. imagine.. waking up where you went to bed you live on 3rd floor in an apartment building
someone runs up the stairs / cops - they want to kick in your door and kill you you jump out on the frame to your window and thinki if you should jump
they kick in the door you jump you fly around for hours in the air outside, being chased by that "being" all the time, great fear for your life
- in the place you normally live
you wake up, not sure if it really happened, if someone visited you
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: lessismore]
#21806915 - 06/14/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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(my dreams have never been pleasant, I have been haunted by shadow beings in my dreams from 4 years old to 25 years old)
another reason I might have chosen to face myself with psychedelics, to find the reason for my fear, the reason why I hated myself
it turned out there was a reason, I had lost my soul after a sleep paralysis experience I had forgotten 16 years ago
I have had intense fear 90% of my life in my dreams, just about every night fear nothing in this world has been nowhere near fear of something wanting to eat you up from inside and torment you so I always flew away from it in the air with it chasing me
later I learned to face it in my dreams, then I gained control
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: lessismore]
#21807641 - 06/14/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow that's crazy,the only recurring thing I've had in dreams is a house that I've never seen in real life but I've gone to the same house in my dreams probably 4 or 5times! It's funny you mentioned sleep paralysis cause I used to wake up paralyzed or become paralyzed just as I'm falling asleep and all I could do was moan through my teeth and move my eye's but when I was paralyzed I would always sense a really evil presence beside me that was like a translucent black mist or like black static In somewhat of a humanoid silhouette with shape of head,shoulders and torso! Is this like what chased you in you dreams? Did you learn anything about them?
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
#21807758 - 06/14/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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deadheadwsp said: Ohh yea brotha!widespread mutha fuckin panic!
-------------------- I fucking hate you... God damn, I love you... But we both know if we stick together, we'll just tear ourselves apart You are my sunshine, my only sunshine, you make me happy, when skies are grey You are my heroin, but there's an abscess... God damn, I miss the vein!
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
#21807839 - 06/14/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, welcome to the Shroomery. It's great you beat an ope addiction using mushrooms. If you feel up to it, you might want to post on how you did it in our Physical and Mental Health forum. It could help a lot of people.
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
#21808641 - 06/14/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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deadheadwsp said: Wow that's crazy,the only recurring thing I've had in dreams is a house that I've never seen in real life but I've gone to the same house in my dreams probably 4 or 5times! It's funny you mentioned sleep paralysis cause I used to wake up paralyzed or become paralyzed just as I'm falling asleep and all I could do was moan through my teeth and move my eye's but when I was paralyzed I would always sense a really evil presence beside me that was like a translucent black mist or like black static In somewhat of a humanoid silhouette with shape of head,shoulders and torso! Is this like what chased you in you dreams? Did you learn anything about them?
It's always an evil presence I can feel it even if it is in another room
You get that 'it wants to hurt you, kill you, torment you, eat you from inside' feeling
Evil from inside out
but you cant move or scream
then it comes into my room and down on me, black shadow then I dont remember more, then it leaves suddenly and retreats into the kitchen
then I can walk around, still feel it out there wanting to hurt me
I tried to turn on the lights but the light is not working I change light bulb, still no light working
I get the chills, it's very cold in the room
I quickly run out there trying to face it but then it had retreated into the entrance I walk into the entrance to face it, my vision disappears
I can only feel it attacking me, hurts, very unpleasant feeling feel like fainting when it happens
I quickly go back to living room vision returns
then I deside to go out there again vision disappears again, and there is a black portal of insects in the ceiling out there, black insects coming down into the room (they feel evil too)
I dont quite recall, I chosed not to face it because I felt like fainting each time and it attacking me all over my body - no vision / only white when it happened
then I walked back
suddenly I became light, felt extremely light floated towards the ceiling
now I knew I was dreaming, so I flew into my garden and out in the whole city, and country, above high treetops
(I have tried facing these black shadow creatures too in other dreams, then I just get 100% control of dream right away, all fear vanishes, they vanish too , they usually look demonic)
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
#21808731 - 06/14/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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How exactly did mushrooms save you?
It sounds like you got clean from opiates, but still continue to take mushrooms, which is great, but why give credit to mushrooms? I know for a fact they don't help with withdrawals. If mushrooms and tripping are your main reason for living I would say you are still on a pretty dangerous path.
How long have you been clean? Did you just rely on the 'shrooms or did you have other treatments as well?
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21809614 - 06/15/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea man sorry I should have elaborated more but I got on another tangent. What mushrooms did for me was give me a crystal clear perspective on my life as an addict and how it was effecting me and my family! I felt like I could see my life through each of my family member's personal perspective's.i just saw it as so ugly and pathetic and in such a way that I was never able to see in my daily life. I mean every self admitted addict know's in some way that thier ways are wrong but I guess our addiction helps us hide it from ourselves but during that trip the mushrooms where not gonna let me be ignorant of the nature of my ways any longer! They just gave me an unforgiving and unfiltered self examination! After that I remember trying to get high and dope that was fine to everyone else felt like it was laced with poison to me,made my heart start beating fast,my ears started makeing weird wah wah wah sounds and made me feel like I was gonna die! So after that I was so afraid of dope that I would only push the plunger like a quarter of a cc at a time fearing that it was really gonna kill me this time! I even drove to the hospital and sat in the parking lot in front of the emergency room until it passed! So after that I just got some suboxone or subutex for the remainder of the withdrawals and tapered for a few months. This might all sound a little hard to believe but this is just a mild instance where things mysteriously happen to either save my life or change its coarse. I hope this helps in some shape form of fashion. Don't get wrong either,I had been trying to quit for six years and failed and failed again! So don't think it was just that easy for me! Quitting heroine was the hardest thing I've ever had to do in my life and I wouldn't wish it on anyone!
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: moonrockmushy]
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By the way,don't think I just live to trip on mushrooms all the fucking time and just replaced one drug with another! I enjoy them and respect them very much and I'm very thankful that they came into my life but I can have a nice trip and not feel like I want to trip again for months! Mushrooms actually taught me how to enjoy my life and my surroundings without any drug at all!
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
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Well forgive me for being skeptical, but I had a similar revelation after smoking some really good weed for the first time in a while (this was years ago) and it did allow me to find the motivation to quit and stay clean for 18 months, but it was not enough to keep me clean.
I'm just worried that you're romanticizing things in your head, which I think has lead me to have problems when things didn't go as planned.
Opiates kinda suck. Probably your romantic side allowed you to think that it was more than it was. Don't let this same part of you think that there is some amazing path you can take in life to make all your problems manageable. The only way to do it is to be determined, patient, and have a good support system that you can lean on when things get rough, because they will. If you actually think mushrooms saved you from a life of addiction above these things I'd say you're kidding yourself and eventually going to relapse when your psychedelic visions don't pan out and your nerves go to shit from taking a drug that you convinced yourself is beneficial.
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: moonrockmushy]
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I think psychedelic mushrooms can be very beneficial in your life. They can be used to heal a persons mental state. They are not a drug you can run away from your problems on.
But fighting addiction is in your hands. It's amazing mushrooms gave you the push to overcome your addiction. Just hang in there man.
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: moonrockmushy]
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LSD and mushrooms work very similar, and LSD is known for helping alcoholics with overcoming their addiction - many journals published on that iirc
so of course mushrooms and any other psychedelic tryptamine can do it too
I believe they can benefit many many people, but only people willing to listen
to be willing to listen, it helps if the person's life is actually not going as planned it seems
at least it did for meQuote:
moonrockmushy said: Well forgive me for being skeptical, but I had a similar revelation after smoking some really good weed for the first time in a while (this was years ago) and it did allow me to find the motivation to quit and stay clean for 18 months, but it was not enough to keep me clean.
I'm just worried that you're romanticizing things in your head, which I think has lead me to have problems when things didn't go as planned.
Opiates kinda suck. Probably your romantic side allowed you to think that it was more than it was. Don't let this same part of you think that there is some amazing path you can take in life to make all your problems manageable. The only way to do it is to be determined, patient, and have a good support system that you can lean on when things get rough, because they will. If you actually think mushrooms saved you from a life of addiction above these things I'd say you're kidding yourself and eventually going to relapse when your psychedelic visions don't pan out and your nerves go to shit from taking a drug that you convinced yourself is beneficial.

Romantic side and opiates and weed
gtfo plz
anyway this site is really not about addiction as far as I know if he got addiction it is his own problem
it is about these mushrooms and how they can help heal (the soul)/mind when we listen, and overuse is not listening that's just irresponsible but they usually teach not to overuse too
I've never seen one really addicted to mushrooms , because they are not pleasant each time - 50% of the time they are unpleasant, often 70% of the time
if you listen to your inner self and what the mushroom taught you you will be free of addiction and be able to enjoy the mushroom rarely but very enjoyably
part of the post seems like he is still tripping yes, but the other half part seems like he learned something from his trip, it's really not our job to judge him
this site is about education about the mushroom and there is plenty of info available
the only thing that is not really available is that how level 4-5 trips (4-5g+) are not really fun picknicks, they change your life/force change it usually - usually very unpleasant
and there I don't dare recommend anything ;-)
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: lessismore]
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I don't fully subscribe to your way of thinking, no offense. I agree that you don't see many mushroom 'addicts", but I've met many delusional, self righteous, young kids who think mushrooms are the key to infinite wisdom, when they are really just muttering nonsense and thinking they are somehow enlightened. Most of them just sit around and contribute nothing at all to society.
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: moonrockmushy]
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I'm not going through life with rose tinted sunglasses on buddy.... i can think like a big boy too
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
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The problem with weed being vilified is it allows the young person who uses it to think wow this isn't so bad maybe all other drugs are the same way. Then the progression on to other substances because they were lied to about how dangerous weed was.
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: Fletcher]
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Fletcher said: I don't fully subscribe to your way of thinking, no offense. I agree that you don't see many mushroom 'addicts", but I've met many delusional, self righteous, young kids who think mushrooms are the key to infinite wisdom, when they are really just muttering nonsense and thinking they are somehow enlightened. Most of them just sit around and contribute nothing at all to society.
True, I've seen the same But I've also seen the opposite, mushrooms making people humble and partly enlightened because they chose to follow their inner wisdom now and listen to themselves , learn from their mistakes
I have also seen people smoke weed think they are clever But usually it is ex-users that blame the users that they use the drug. Because they had a bad experience they extrapolate to others that they must be "selfrighteous assholes", and "think they are so clever they could avoid their head"
Mushrooms show you what you got, or they can give illusions too, there are no guarantees
It's very unpredictable what will happen in fact... I've seen a lot of both, and so have I seen with weed.
But rarely does it ruins lives completely, even if it makes lots of damage to people's lives like weed can do at times, they still get on top of reality again one day.
Deep to fall, high to rise another day.
Nature and our psyche balances itself, it's just a shame if society has to help people rise up back again....
Any drug can be irresponsibly used, and you speak about kids using mushrooms, kids do stupid stuff with alcohol too and think they are 'cool', or 'cool on weed' etc. But that is just what being 12 is about lol
You think you are so clever, you are just developing the ego, so you need to show off to your mates how cool you are.
They might not even believe what you think they believe, they may just be making jokes..
I've done some stupid bragging when I was that age for sure, but I never took drugs, instead I did sit on IRC and brag/brag about my programming ;-)
And all I say here you can extrapolate to people who don't take drugs too, bragging is stupid, and happens both to drug users and non-users. It's a problem with humanity, they have forgotten their soul, so they need to make themselves more important than others to feel good.
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: Achillita]
#21810367 - 06/15/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you,Achillita,you get it!
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: lessismore]
#21810410 - 06/15/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Welcome deadheadwsp sounds like you will like this place
and sounds like you're in the right place, from your nick ;-)
it's always nice with detailed trip reports, can help other people make up their minds
this forum is mostly about responsible use, but then there are a few people that think the opposite there are a lot of addict forums, and shroomery is really not about that
sure many use many drugs, but not many are actual addicts it seems
psychedelic substances are in a class by themselves, they rarely give addiction, they usually remove addiction
I quit weed and cigs after using mushrooms, haven't touched those in years
I like the person that actually took time to create shroomery to make the world aware of what these shrooms can do for people. You can watch some Mckenna to see that they don't make people stupid. But they may make people schizophrenic with overuse.
Everything in moderation..
Maybe one day ecstasy and LSD/shrooms will be used to help treat depression/PTSD and addiction, like science seems to show is possible with these drugs if used in a clinically strict setting.
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: lessismore]
#21810431 - 06/15/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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some uplifting trance mix, whole mix is good
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
#21810490 - 06/15/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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deadheadwsp said: I'm not going through life with rose tinted sunglasses on buddy.... i can think like a big boy too
That comment wasn't directed at you. in fact, if you'll take a glance at the top of the post, it says RE: lessismore, just like this one says RE: deadheadwsp. Try to not get offended so easily, bud.
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: Fletcher]
#21810548 - 06/15/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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When something makes us mad we need to look at ourselves
Why does people calling you an addict make you mad? Why does people calling you a loser make you mad? Why does people calling you a delusioned fool make you mad?
Often there is a reason we get mad
But here it is actually great that the OP had the courage to write his report despite the big likelihood of being stigmatized a social loser.
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: lessismore] 1
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Calling mushrooms "sacred" is laughable.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: Fletcher]
#21810622 - 06/15/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That was ment for moonrockmushy,my apologies! I had just woke up anyway
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: lessismore]
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lessismore said: When something makes us mad we need to look at ourselves
Why does people calling you an addict make you mad? Why does people calling you a loser make you mad? Why does people calling you a delusioned fool make you mad?
Often there is a reason we get mad
But here it is actually great that the OP had the courage to write his report despite the big likelihood of being stigmatized a social loser.
What makes you project all this stuff onto OP that nobody said?
I'm sorry but I don't think it is appropriate to say that you have scientific evidence to back up that psychedelics effectively treat alcoholics, then move right into platitudes like "it only works if you listen" (you know what else only works when you listen with an open mind? placebo) and "everything in moderation" (if this was something realistic, we would never even come to these sorts of problems with substance abuse in the first place.)
Like I said, I think either OP is giving mushrooms too much credit, or is not as "saved" as he believes himself to be, or wants to come across as. I didn't say this in a way that is insulting so I'd appreciate if you'd all spare me the defensiveness, as we all know that is just a tactic for people overcompensating for the fact that what they say lacks the substance to stand on it's own.
Being saved by a sacred mushroom sounds alot cooler than allowing your drug use to progress to the point where it causes you to get trapped in an addictive cycle until you finally had the wit to realize that maybe this wasn't actually a great lifestyle. I think it is important to come to terms with what lead you to use opiates, and to develop healthy coping mechanisms for dealing with stress and boredom in ways that will lead you to be more mentally and physically stable.
I do not think that mushrooms should be the main tool for this in anyone;s life, and people that attempt to gain this sort of special insight usually go through periods of mania and delusions as well as residual anxiety and cognitive difficulties. If mushrooms saved you, what are you going to do if the way mushrooms effect you changes? That does tend to happen with drugs over time. Go back to dope?
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21810691 - 06/15/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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if these people don't think theres anything special about mushrooms or thing they're anything more than a means to get fucked up then why are they on a forum talking about them all day? when i was a heroine addict i wasn't on heroine forums talking about heroine all day!?
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21810695 - 06/15/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21810672
@OP
maybe this can help you, this is looking back on my 4-5 years of mushroom use/LSD use in heavy doses , benefits and downsides
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
#21810709 - 06/15/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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going by the name "lovedemmushrooms" talking about mushrooms on a psychedelic mushroom forum and telling me that calling mushrooms sacred is laughable is in and of its self laughable!
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
#21810723 - 06/15/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks less is more and thanks for the welcome!
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
#21810724 - 06/15/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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deadheadwsp said: if these people don't think theres anything special about mushrooms or thing they're anything more than a means to get fucked up then why are they on a forum talking about them all day?
Most people here don't talk about them all day, nor even every day.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
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deadheadwsp said: going by the name "lovedemmushrooms" talking about mushrooms on a psychedelic mushroom forum and telling me that calling mushrooms sacred is laughable is in and of its self laughable!
So liking mushrooms has to involve thinking they're "sacred"?
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21810738 - 06/15/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Welcome. Glad you made it.
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: Couperj]
#21810741 - 06/15/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think about them all day. Every day. I'd talk about them too if they weren't so illegal.
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: Couperj]
#21810744 - 06/15/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Couperj said: I think about them all day. Every day. I'd talk about them too if they weren't so illegal.
You should seek help
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21810795 - 06/15/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes at least Respectable
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21810799 - 06/15/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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of coarse not,but 14 years sure does seem like a long time to be on a forum dedicated to a substance you think is laughable to have a lot of respect for lol!
i know a trolling contrarian when i come across one though so good luck with that!
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
#21810807 - 06/15/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is English your second language? Or are you currently on shrooms and as a result... unable to comprehend the written word?
I didn't say shrooms were laughable. I said calling them "sacred" is.
I happen to like shrooms. They're good for getting you high, but are not "sacred".
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: Couperj]
#21810808 - 06/15/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks, thats the spirit!!! lmfao!!
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
#21810822 - 06/15/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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deadheadwsp said: if these people don't think theres anything special about mushrooms or thing they're anything more than a means to get fucked up then why are they on a forum talking about them all day? when i was a heroine addict i wasn't on heroine forums talking about heroine all day!?
That is some strange logic, and why are you changing your language now? Are sacred and special interchangeable to you?
I didn't say there wasn't anything special about mushrooms, I said it is unlikely they will cure you of a serious addiction problem and it very well could lead to a relapse. I don't think you ever said how long you've been clean.
I just think it is an awful bold claim to make, and most people who take this attitude about mushrooms or psychedelics tend to either get burned and scared away from them at some point, or lose their shit and either turn to Jesus or conspiracy theories, and god knows the world don't need any more of that.
Developing a realistic, unromanticized attitude about drugs is what will save you from self-destructing in the long run, not taking psychedelics once in a while. Maybe the two can coexist, but I don't think worshiping a drug is being realistic.
Edited by moonrockmushy (06/15/15 01:42 PM)
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: moonrockmushy]
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respecting the drug is a good idea, and I think that is what he means with sacred here
sacred has many meanings, the old tribes that tended to use mushrooms probably respected them greatly
didn't you say you had addiction problems yourself, maybe you're just projecting your own addiction problems onto him?
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: lessismore]
#21811911 - 06/15/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mushrooms prevent relapse for myself.
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: Couperj]
#21813014 - 06/15/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Were you a 'heroine' addict as well?
Edited by Fletcher (06/16/15 12:01 AM)
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: Fletcher]
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I too use psychs now instead of heroin, saved my life
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"They are sacred, because they get you really high."
I hate this guy. My girlfriend thinks he's hilarious. Good for a laugh though.
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
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thats awesome man! most people never make it to the other side sadly but i wish you the best good sir!
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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
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We have established a legal sacred mushroom center in Jamaica. This is a place for ethnomycological convergence and a building of knowledge and experience around therapeutic and self development with Psilocybin.....I agree that mushrooms won't CURE addiction. Your life is in your hands...but they are a great tool for gaining insight on what is truly valuable and what is better off left behind. Please visit www.mycomeditations.com to learn more if you are interested.
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