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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
    #21808641 - 06/14/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Wow that's crazy,the only recurring thing I've had in dreams is a house that I've never seen in real life but I've gone to the same house in my dreams probably 4 or 5times! It's funny you mentioned sleep paralysis cause I used to wake up paralyzed or become paralyzed just as I'm falling asleep and all I could do was moan through my teeth and move my eye's but when I was paralyzed I would always sense a really evil presence beside me that was like a translucent black mist or like black static In somewhat of a humanoid silhouette with shape of head,shoulders and torso!
Is this like what chased you in you dreams? Did you learn anything about them?




It's always an evil presence
I can feel it even if it is in another room

You get that 'it wants to hurt you, kill you, torment you, eat you from inside' feeling

Evil from inside out

but you cant move or scream

then it comes into my room and down on me, black shadow
then I dont remember more, then it leaves suddenly and retreats into the kitchen

then I can walk around, still feel it out there wanting to hurt me

I tried to turn on the lights but the light is not working
I change light bulb, still no light working

I get the chills, it's very cold in the room

I quickly run out there trying to face it but then it had retreated into the entrance
I walk into the entrance to face it, my vision disappears

I can only feel it attacking me, hurts, very unpleasant feeling
feel like fainting when it happens

I quickly go back to living room
vision returns

then I deside to go out there again
vision disappears again, and there is a black portal of insects in the ceiling out there, black insects coming down into the room (they feel evil too)


I dont quite recall, I chosed not to face it because I felt like fainting each time and it attacking me all over my body - no vision / only white when it happened

then I walked back

suddenly I became light, felt extremely light
floated towards the ceiling

now I knew I was dreaming, so I flew into my garden and out in the whole city, and country, above high treetops


(I have tried facing these black shadow creatures too in other dreams, then I just get 100% control of dream right away, all fear vanishes, they vanish too , they usually look demonic)


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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
    #21808731 - 06/14/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How exactly did mushrooms save you?

It sounds like you got clean from opiates, but still continue to take mushrooms, which is great, but why give credit to mushrooms?  I know for a fact they don't help with withdrawals.  If mushrooms and tripping are your main reason for living I would say you are still on a pretty dangerous path.

How long have you been clean?  Did you just rely on the 'shrooms or did you have other treatments as well?


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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21809614 - 06/15/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yea man sorry I should have elaborated more but I got on another tangent. What mushrooms did for me was give me a crystal clear perspective on my life as an addict and how it was effecting me and my family! I felt like I could see my life through each of my family member's personal perspective's.i just saw it as so ugly and pathetic and in such a way that I was never able to see in my daily life. I mean every self admitted addict know's in some way that thier ways are wrong but I guess our addiction helps us hide it from ourselves but during that trip the mushrooms where not gonna let me be ignorant of the nature of my ways any longer!
They just gave me an unforgiving and unfiltered self examination!
After that I remember trying to get high and dope that was fine to everyone else felt like it was laced with poison to me,made my heart start beating fast,my ears started makeing weird wah wah wah sounds and made me feel like I was gonna die!
So after that I was so afraid of dope that I would only push the plunger like a quarter of a cc at a time fearing that it was really gonna kill me this time! I even drove to the hospital and sat in the parking lot in front of the emergency room until it passed!
So after that I just got some suboxone or subutex for the remainder of the withdrawals and tapered for a few months.
This might all sound a little hard to believe but this is just a mild instance where things mysteriously happen to either save my life or change its coarse.
I hope this helps in some shape form of fashion. Don't get wrong either,I had been trying to quit for six years and failed and failed again!
So don't think it was just that easy for me!
Quitting heroine was the hardest thing I've ever had to do in my life and I wouldn't wish it on anyone!


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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21809637 - 06/15/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

By the way,don't think I just live to trip on mushrooms all the fucking time and just replaced one drug with another!
I enjoy them and respect them very much and I'm very thankful that they came into my life but I can have a nice trip and not feel like I want to trip again for months! Mushrooms actually taught me how to enjoy my life and my surroundings without any drug at all!


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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
    #21809641 - 06/15/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well forgive me for being skeptical, but I had a similar revelation after smoking some really good weed for the first time in a while (this was years ago) and it did allow me to find the motivation to quit and stay clean for 18 months, but it was not enough to keep me clean. 

I'm just worried that you're romanticizing things in your head, which I think has lead me to have problems when things didn't go as planned. 

Opiates kinda suck.  Probably your romantic side allowed you to think that it was more than it was.  Don't let this same part of you think that there is some amazing path you can take in life to make all your problems manageable.  The only way to do it is to be determined, patient, and have a good support system that you can lean on when things get rough, because they will.  If you actually think mushrooms saved you from a life of addiction above these things I'd say you're kidding yourself and eventually going to relapse when your psychedelic visions don't pan out and your nerves go to shit from taking a drug that you convinced yourself is beneficial.


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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21809711 - 06/15/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think psychedelic mushrooms can be very beneficial in your life. They can be used to heal a persons mental state. They are not a drug you can run away from your problems on.

But fighting addiction is in your hands. It's amazing mushrooms gave you the push to overcome your addiction. Just hang in there man.


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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21809818 - 06/15/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

LSD and mushrooms work very similar, and LSD is known for helping alcoholics with overcoming their addiction - many journals published on that iirc

so of course mushrooms and any other psychedelic tryptamine can do it too

I believe they can benefit many many people, but only people willing to listen

to be willing to listen, it helps if the person's life is actually not going as planned it seems

at least it did for me
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Well forgive me for being skeptical, but I had a similar revelation after smoking some really good weed for the first time in a while (this was years ago) and it did allow me to find the motivation to quit and stay clean for 18 months, but it was not enough to keep me clean. 

I'm just worried that you're romanticizing things in your head, which I think has lead me to have problems when things didn't go as planned. 

Opiates kinda suck.  Probably your romantic side allowed you to think that it was more than it was.  Don't let this same part of you think that there is some amazing path you can take in life to make all your problems manageable.  The only way to do it is to be determined, patient, and have a good support system that you can lean on when things get rough, because they will.  If you actually think mushrooms saved you from a life of addiction above these things I'd say you're kidding yourself and eventually going to relapse when your psychedelic visions don't pan out and your nerves go to shit from taking a drug that you convinced yourself is beneficial.



:lolsy:

Romantic side and opiates and weed

gtfo plz

anyway this site is really not about addiction as far as I know
if he got addiction it is his own problem

it is about these mushrooms and how they can help heal (the soul)/mind when we listen, and overuse is not listening that's just irresponsible
but they usually teach not to overuse too

I've never seen one really addicted to mushrooms , because they are not pleasant each time - 50% of the time they are unpleasant, often 70% of the time

if you listen to your inner self and what the mushroom taught you you will be free of addiction and be able to enjoy the mushroom rarely but very enjoyably

part of the post seems like he is still tripping yes, but the other half part seems like he learned something from his trip, it's really not our job to judge him

this site is about education about the mushroom and there is plenty of info available

the only thing that is not really available is that how level 4-5 trips (4-5g+) are not really fun picknicks, they change your life/force change it usually - usually very unpleasant

and there I don't dare recommend anything ;-)


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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: lessismore]
    #21810267 - 06/15/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't fully subscribe to your way of thinking, no offense. I agree that you don't see many mushroom 'addicts", but I've met many delusional, self righteous, young kids who think mushrooms are the key to infinite wisdom, when they are really just muttering nonsense and thinking they are somehow enlightened.  Most of them just sit around and contribute nothing at all to society.


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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21810343 - 06/15/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not going through life with rose tinted sunglasses on buddy....
i can think like a big boy too


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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
    #21810351 - 06/15/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The problem with weed being vilified is it allows the young person who uses it to think wow this isn't so bad maybe all other drugs are the same way. Then the progression on to other substances because they were lied to about how dangerous weed was.


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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: Fletcher]
    #21810353 - 06/15/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't fully subscribe to your way of thinking, no offense. I agree that you don't see many mushroom 'addicts", but I've met many delusional, self righteous, young kids who think mushrooms are the key to infinite wisdom, when they are really just muttering nonsense and thinking they are somehow enlightened.  Most of them just sit around and contribute nothing at all to society.




True, I've seen the same
But I've also seen the opposite, mushrooms making people humble and partly enlightened because they chose to follow their inner wisdom now and listen to themselves , learn from their mistakes

I have also seen people smoke weed think they are clever
But usually it is ex-users that blame the users that they use the drug. Because they had a bad experience they extrapolate to others that they must be "selfrighteous assholes", and "think they are so clever they could avoid their head"

Mushrooms show you what you got, or they can give illusions too, there are no guarantees

It's very unpredictable what will happen in fact... I've seen a lot of both, and so have I seen with weed.

But rarely does it ruins lives completely, even if it makes lots of damage to people's lives like weed can do at times, they still get on top of reality again one day.

Deep to fall, high to rise another day.

Nature and our psyche balances itself, it's just a shame if society has to help people rise up back again....

Any drug can be irresponsibly used, and you speak about kids using mushrooms, kids do stupid stuff with alcohol too and think they are 'cool', or 'cool on weed' etc.
But that is just what being 12 is about lol

You think you are so clever, you are just developing the ego, so you need to show off to your mates how cool you are.

They might not even believe what you think they believe, they may just be making jokes..

I've done some stupid bragging when I was that age for sure, but I never took drugs, instead I did sit on IRC and brag/brag about my programming ;-)

And all I say here you can extrapolate to people who don't take drugs too, bragging is stupid, and happens both to drug users and non-users. It's a problem with humanity, they have forgotten their soul, so they need to make themselves more important than others to feel good.


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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: Achillita]
    #21810367 - 06/15/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you,Achillita,you get it!


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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: lessismore]
    #21810410 - 06/15/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Welcome deadheadwsp sounds like you will like this place

and sounds like you're in the right place, from your nick ;-)

it's always nice with detailed trip reports, can help other people make up their minds

this forum is mostly about responsible use, but then there are a few people that think the opposite
there are a lot of addict forums, and shroomery is really not about that

sure many use many drugs, but not many are actual addicts it seems

psychedelic substances are in a class by themselves, they rarely give addiction, they usually remove addiction

I quit weed and cigs after using mushrooms, haven't touched those in years

I like the person that actually took time to create shroomery to make the world aware of what these shrooms can do for people. You can watch some Mckenna to see that they don't make people stupid. But they may make people schizophrenic with overuse.

Everything in moderation..


Maybe one day ecstasy and LSD/shrooms will be used to help treat depression/PTSD and addiction, like science seems to show is possible with these drugs if used in a clinically strict setting.


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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: lessismore]
    #21810431 - 06/15/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)



some uplifting trance mix, whole mix is good


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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: deadheadwsp]
    #21810490 - 06/15/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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deadheadwsp said:
I'm not going through life with rose tinted sunglasses on buddy....
i can think like a big boy too




That comment wasn't directed at you. in fact, if you'll take a glance at the top of the post, it says RE: lessismore, just like this one says RE: deadheadwsp. Try to not get offended so easily, bud.


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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: Fletcher]
    #21810548 - 06/15/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

When something makes us mad we need to look at ourselves

Why does people calling you an addict make you mad?
Why does people calling you a loser make you mad?
Why does people calling you a delusioned fool make you mad?


Often there is a reason we get mad

But here it is actually great that the OP had the courage to write his report despite the big likelihood of being stigmatized a social loser.


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    #21810595 - 06/15/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Calling mushrooms "sacred" is laughable.


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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: Fletcher]
    #21810622 - 06/15/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That was ment for moonrockmushy,my apologies!
I had just woke up anyway


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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: lessismore]
    #21810636 - 06/15/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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When something makes us mad we need to look at ourselves

Why does people calling you an addict make you mad?
Why does people calling you a loser make you mad?
Why does people calling you a delusioned fool make you mad?


Often there is a reason we get mad

But here it is actually great that the OP had the courage to write his report despite the big likelihood of being stigmatized a social loser.




What makes you project all this stuff onto OP that nobody said?

I'm sorry but I don't think it is appropriate to say that you have scientific evidence to back up that psychedelics effectively treat alcoholics, then move right into platitudes like "it only works if you listen" (you know what else only works when you listen with an open mind?  placebo) and "everything in moderation" (if this was something realistic, we would never even come to these sorts of problems with substance abuse in the first place.)

Like I said, I think either OP is giving mushrooms too much credit, or is not as "saved" as he believes himself to be, or wants to come across as.  I didn't say this in a way that is insulting so I'd appreciate if you'd all spare me the defensiveness, as we all know that is just a tactic for people overcompensating for the fact that what they say lacks the substance to stand on it's own.

Being saved by a sacred mushroom sounds alot cooler than allowing your drug use to progress to the point where it causes you to get trapped in an addictive cycle until you finally had the wit to realize that maybe this wasn't actually a great lifestyle.  I think it is important to come to terms with what lead you to use opiates, and to develop healthy coping mechanisms for dealing with stress and boredom in ways that will lead you to be more mentally and physically stable. 

I do not think that mushrooms should be the main tool for this in anyone;s life, and people that attempt to gain this sort of special insight usually go through periods of mania and delusions as well as residual anxiety and cognitive difficulties.  If mushrooms saved you, what are you going to do if the way mushrooms effect you changes?  That does tend to happen with drugs over time.  Go back to dope?


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Re: My introduction,my story as an opiate addict saved by the sacred mushroom,and I'm eager to meet you guys! [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21810691 - 06/15/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

if these people don't think theres anything special about mushrooms or thing they're anything more than a means to get fucked up then why are they on a forum talking about them all day? when i was a heroine addict i wasn't on heroine forums talking about heroine all day!?


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