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Re: dreams impact on reality [Re: lessismore]
    #21889467 - 07/02/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's pretty annoying you keep hitting the ceiling when you float upwards in your dreams ;-)

Why is the ceiling the limit ? :wink:


But I have tried floating out of windows too, or going through walls/teleporting


Very nice feeling that floating towards the ceiling, or floating above high treetops, best feeling in the world

Back when I was a kid I was very good at lucid dreaming compared to now. I could actually jump in the air to see if I was dreaming, then crawl up in the air and sit there!

I.e. in school...
Was really amazing when I did that and then it was a dream, could fly anywhere in the country

Remember it still 20 years later


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Re: dreams impact on reality [Re: lessismore]
    #21889802 - 07/02/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Naturally occurring melatonin is a light dependent hormone produced in the pineal gland. During the day the pineal gland is usually inactive.

Maybe you're just good at meditation or day dreaming?


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Re: dreams impact on reality [Re: sudly]
    #21889835 - 07/02/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think I saw some research once that said that sunlight increases production of something in the brain.... cant remember if it was melatonin/DMT or such...

All I know is it seems to work great for lucid dreaming, going to bed at weird times - especially in daylight, sleeping with open curtains in daytime

Dreams become more vivid and real than this reality each time, feels so real

All my best lucid dreams/OBEs have been when I went to bed in daytime... - maybe it's just from changing sleep pattern, who knows.. I just like to experiment and find what works for me. This works great, I prefer to sleep in daytime to experiment with lucid dreams sometimes (it's the whole principle behind the WB2B method, changing sleep schedule, going to bed in daytime or when just waking up)


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Re: dreams impact on reality [Re: lessismore]
    #21890267 - 07/02/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Vitamin D?

If you can manage to sleep during daytime you must be tired, maybe it's your work schedule or something but that's unusual to do. Either way, best of sleep to you and all for it is important to rest yourself.


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Re: dreams impact on reality [Re: sudly]
    #21890721 - 07/02/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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sudly said:
Naturally occurring melatonin is a light dependent hormone produced in the pineal gland. During the day the pineal gland is usually inactive.





This lady is stretching her pineal gland, a yoga instructor told me so it must be true.  Look how tight her pineal gland is!




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Re: dreams impact on reality [Re: Hippocampus]
    #21890810 - 07/02/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Your yoga instructor is wrong.


The pineal gland is a small gland located near the center of the brain that has several important functions.
http://biology.about.com/od/anatomy/p/pineal-gland.htm
http://www.endocrineweb.com/endocrinology/overview-pineal-gland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland


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Re: dreams impact on reality [Re: sudly]
    #21890828 - 07/03/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No not that pineal gland.  This one :wink:

This is a great pose to stretch the pineal gland as well as the pituitary.  And it wrings toxins from the liver




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Re: dreams impact on reality [Re: lessismore]
    #21891394 - 07/03/15 05:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

In respond to lessismores last post, again I really wish you would seperate entheogens from drugs in your thinking, but I suppose westerners are so programmed to believe that these things are "drugs" and that they only offer false perceptions.....dimethyltryptamine is a neurotransmitter produced by the human body, just like serotonin (5-hydroxy-tryptamine) or meletonin (n-acetyl-5-methoxy-tryptamine) or pinoline (6-methoxy-tetrahydro-beta-carboline).

Its difficult to make my case to people who have never tried DMT, because I understand the spiritualist "entheogens are impure practice" philosophy, but they cant understand where I'm comming from, they reduce the DMT experiance to a "high" or a "drugged out misperception" or try to rationalize it by thinking they have experianced something similar and that that they can reduce and understand it by piecing their past events over anedoctal evidence.

This stuff has not been the center of religious practice sense the begining of human history because its a "drug" in the western sense.

The human brain is not capable of healing or understanding itself without entheogenic aide.

I get in to this debate with Buddhists quite often, it always ends in me giving them a high dose of DMT, which instantly ends the debate.

All spirituality is the exegesis of the psychedelic experiance.
:tmckenna: A man moved near a river and, wanting to find a way to travel across the water, spent ten years forming a type of levitation that would allow him to float across it. Buddha, who was preaching in town, was confronted by this man, who said, "Look master, look what I have achieved. I can walk across the water." And Buddha said, "Yeah, but the ferry only costs a nickel.

Meaning you could spend tour whole life trying to induce these States without entheogens, but why would you when you have entheogens?

Plus we don't have time for the whole world to master their minds through meditation or dreaming....

Like Buddha said 1000 people 1000 paths, dreaming and meditation may work for you (though ive always assumed people who say "dreams are better than psychedelics" are either pathological or have not tried psychedelics), and entheogenic shamanism works for me. I'm not saying your methods are any less effective or valid, just that they don't work for me.

I would sacrifice lucid dreaming for my spiritual practice with entheogens any day.



(When I say entheogens I'm not including marijuana)

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Re: dreams impact on reality [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21891396 - 07/03/15 05:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The pineal gland is amazing! Serotonin enters and is converted to meletonin, its also where pinoline is produced, and due to all of this tryptamine chemistry it has lead Dr. Rick strassman to speculate that this is where endogenous DMT is produced (though they never confirmed this)

Tryptamine chemistry drives higher human consciousness.

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Re: dreams impact on reality [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21892054 - 07/03/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe you should stop your drug induced haze?

Because Serotonin is native to the brain does not make hacking your brain harmless

You may make any association in the 5-12 hours a shroom/lsd trip lasts, you may suddenly be afraid of going outdoor, of people, of anything

Any association may happen

Anything may happen.... they don't act with a purpose scientifically, they regulate our perception


So your perception gets twisted, you may run into a suicide program...

That's not harmless, that's just another drug effect, changing ones perception
That's what drugs do

Don't make your favorite drug the best thing in the world

DMT is yet another drug, even if it isn't pleasant each time
People do get addicted to psychedelics and take years before they get back to reality, just like they do with weed

But these same people will claim neither weed or psychedelics are addictive, they can stop anytime they want

Why do they keep taking it all life then?


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Re: dreams impact on reality [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21895635 - 07/04/15 05:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You don't require halucination relaxation and daydreaming will open up access to more creativity.

There are people around with new understandings gained from neuroscience who can create course to increase your creative power. By exercising those brain regions and increasing blood flow.


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Re: dreams impact on reality [Re: Hippocampus]
    #21895640 - 07/04/15 05:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No not that pineal gland.  This one :wink:

This is a great pose to stretch the pineal gland as well as the pituitary.  And it wrings toxins from the liver







Thats definately released some toxins from my glands.


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Re: dreams impact on reality [Re: lessismore]
    #21895957 - 07/04/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

lessismore said:
Maybe you should stop your drug induced haze?

Because Serotonin is native to the brain does not make hacking your brain harmless

You may make any association in the 5-12 hours a shroom/lsd trip lasts, you may suddenly be afraid of going outdoor, of people, of anything

Any association may happen

Anything may happen.... they don't act with a purpose scientifically, they regulate our perception


So your perception gets twisted, you may run into a suicide program...

That's not harmless, that's just another drug effect, changing ones perception
That's what drugs do

Don't make your favorite drug the best thing in the world

DMT is yet another drug, even if it isn't pleasant each time
People do get addicted to psychedelics and take years before they get back to reality, just like they do with weed

But these same people will claim neither weed or psychedelics are addictive, they can stop anytime they want

Why do they keep taking it all life then?




I again must respectfully disagree with you on this one.
You can not become addicted to entheogens, because of rapid tolerence if you attempt to consume an entheogen daily it wont work, you must put at least 5-7 days between each experiance. They do NOT cause compulsive destructive behaviors, they do not cause compulsive redosing, and they are not simply causeing the brain to function impropperly, these compounds are using highly advanced neurochemical pathways.

N,Ñ-dimethyltryptamine is naturally produced in the human body, its a neurotransmitter/neuromodulater just like 5-hydroxytryptamine (serotonin), or meletonin (n-acetyl-5-methoxy-tryptamine) or pinoline (6-meo-tetrahydro-beta-carboline)....

Another aspect of psychedelic use is even when its done for spiritual exploration you are NOT on psychedelics every minute of every day, I take psychedelics once a month, and that's heavy use for me, often I go up to a 6 months without needing a psychedelic session. Now, with ayahuasca you may be asked to attend a session each night for up to 4 days, but after that its all processing, even in the periods where use was needed once a week, its not like I was on ayahuasca or psilocin for the entire week.


Like I said, if lucid dreaming and meditation is satisfactory for you that's great, more power to you, but to denounce entheogens just because their use somehow conflicts with your personal preferences toward spirituality is repugnant.

These things are not addictive, they are not drugs, and they have been our gateway to spirituality since the begining of time. Entheogenic shamanism is just as valid as any other spiritual practice. I see it as the last true religion, because we don't get preaced at by humans who ask for our money, we dont need others to tell us what god wants read books about God, or the after-life, or existance after death, and so on, we experiance it first hand. There's NO faith involved here, we are the last religion that instead of relying on exegesis actually experiances these things first hand.


-E. Borodin


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Re: dreams impact on reality [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21896023 - 07/04/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Again, I don't use drugs, I take advantage of exogenous neurotransmitters provided by my plant symbiote allys. There's nothing in my entheogenic preperations that isn't already produced in the human body, that or its a slight variation of a compound produced in the human body, such as psilocin, DMT is produced in the human body, psilocin is 4-hydroxy-DMT, so its an extremely subtle variation.

Even mescaline (3,4,5-trimethoxy-phenethylamine) is a variation of dopeamine (3,4-dihydroxy-phenethylamine).

Until you have tried these compounds it may be best to reserve your judgements.

You keep saying that there is a 6-12 hour time period, this is not the case, smoked DMT lasts 15 minutes.

To ask me to practice shamanism without entheogens is like asking a race-car driver to race without a car, or asking an astronomer to work without his telescope. There are some things the human body can not do on its own, which is why we were given the ability to use tools. In nature tool using creatures have the upper hand over non-tool users, entheogens are just as valuable of a tool as any other.

Look, if you want to visit France you must board an air-plane or other vehicle to get there, just like if you want to access the after-life you need a vehicle to get there, and just like in regular travel you have boats, cars, planes, trains, etc...each will get you there in its own unique way, just like with entheogens you have DMT, mescaline, psilocin etc...each will get you there in its own unique way...but you MUST have a vehicle....

The flaw in learning from humans is that they are limited by their humanity, entheogens are far supperior teachers.


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Re: dreams impact on reality [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21896051 - 07/04/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know, but I know I see teachers whereever I look when I am balanced

I don't just look to psychedelics, they have their benefits/downsides

I like many ways , and I chose the least dangerous one usually, atm I like drum travels and lucid dreaming

I use those that help my progress in life, and psychedelics are not just 100% good too me, they have downsides too

Had to quit daily weed too some years back, it wasn't good for me


I don't go the full shamanic depth too often either, but I like the music soul connection too , I like what connects me to my soul


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Re: dreams impact on reality [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21896065 - 07/04/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
Again, I don't use drugs, I take advantage of exogenous neurotransmitters provided by my plant symbiote allys. There's nothing in my entheogenic preperations that isn't already produced in the human body, that or its a slight variation of a compound produced in the human body, such as psilocin, DMT is produced in the human body, psilocin is 4-hydroxy-DMT, so its an extremely subtle variation.

Even mescaline (3,4,5-trimethoxy-phenethylamine) is a variation of dopeamine (3,4-dihydroxy-phenethylamine).

Until you have tried these compounds it may be best to reserve your judgements.

You keep saying that there is a 6-12 hour time period, this is not the case, smoked DMT lasts 15 minutes.

To ask me to practice shamanism without entheogens is like asking a race-car driver to race without a car, or asking an astronomer to work without his telescope. There are some things the human body can not do on its own, which is why we were given the ability to use tools. In nature tool using creatures have the upper hand over non-tool users, entheogens are just as valuable of a tool as any other.

Look, if you want to visit France you must board an air-plane or other vehicle to get there, just like if you want to access the after-life you need a vehicle to get there, and just like in regular travel you have boats, cars, planes, trains, etc...each will get you there in its own unique way, just like with entheogens you have DMT, mescaline, psilocin etc...each will get you there in its own unique way...but you MUST have a vehicle....

The flaw in learning from humans is that they are limited by their humanity, entheogens are far supperior teachers.


E. Borodin




Sorry this plant ally crap ticks me off. Is there evidence that what you experiance on a tryptamine or etc had quantifiable data to establish substantial relevance.
Quote:

Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
Quote:

lessismore said:
Maybe you should stop your drug induced haze?

Because Serotonin is native to the brain does not make hacking your brain harmless

You may make any association in the 5-12 hours a shroom/lsd trip lasts, you may suddenly be afraid of going outdoor, of people, of anything

Any association may happen

Anything may happen.... they don't act with a purpose scientifically, they regulate our perception


So your perception gets twisted, you may run into a suicide program...

That's not harmless, that's just another drug effect, changing ones perception
That's what drugs do

Don't make your favorite drug the best thing in the world

DMT is yet another drug, even if it isn't pleasant each time
People do get addicted to psychedelics and take years before they get back to reality, just like they do with weed

But these same people will claim neither weed or psychedelics are addictive, they can stop anytime they want

Why do they keep taking it all life then?




I again must respectfully disagree with you on this one.
You can not become addicted to entheogens, because of rapid tolerence if you attempt to consume an entheogen daily it wont work, you must put at least 5-7 days between each experiance. They do NOT cause compulsive destructive behaviors, they do not cause compulsive redosing, and they are not simply causeing the brain to function impropperly, these compounds are using highly advanced neurochemical pathways.

N,Ñ-dimethyltryptamine is naturally produced in the human body, its a neurotransmitter/neuromodulater just like 5-hydroxytryptamine (serotonin), or meletonin (n-acetyl-5-methoxy-tryptamine) or pinoline (6-meo-tetrahydro-beta-carboline)....

Another aspect of psychedelic use is even when its done for spiritual exploration you are NOT on psychedelics every minute of every day, I take psychedelics once a month, and that's heavy use for me, often I go up to a 6 months without needing a psychedelic session. Now, with ayahuasca you may be asked to attend a session each night for up to 4 days, but after that its all processing, even in the periods where use was needed once a week, its not like I was on ayahuasca or psilocin for the entire week.


Like I said, if lucid dreaming and meditation is satisfactory for you that's great, more power to you, but to denounce entheogens just because their use somehow conflicts with your personal preferences toward spirituality is repugnant.

These things are not addictive, they are not drugs, and they have been our gateway to spirituality since the begining of time. Entheogenic shamanism is just as valid as any other spiritual practice. I see it as the last true religion, because we don't get preaced at by humans who ask for our money, we dont need others to tell us what god wants read books about God, or the after-life, or existance after death, and so on, we experiance it first hand. There's NO faith involved here, we are the last religion that instead of relying on exegesis actually experiances these things first hand.


-E. Borodin




If this was a effort to support entheogenics I'm more then confounded. To be honest sexy butts has the most influence and probably relevance in this discussion.


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Re: dreams impact on reality [Re: Jaegar]
    #21897576 - 07/04/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How about a nice pair of boobs?


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