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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: Asante]
    #21804719 - 06/14/15 02:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i havn't thought of the sun particularly,  but i have thought of the earth as an entity


i understand and accept the concept that there is an 'earth consciousness' that every living organism is connected to, physically, in one way or another. whether its a tree getting cut down, the guy cutting the tree down, or the baby bird living in the tree. every little thing you do effects something else, which makes earth something like one giant organism





the sun seems more like an uncontrolled chain reaction of nuclear explosions. which is awesome in its own right, but might not be as much of a candidate for 'living entity' status as earth is


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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: Adolin]
    #21804757 - 06/14/15 02:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Arent human beings an ongoing chemical combustion reaction? We are the smouldering ashes of stars. Think about that one. Life is fire, that carried over from the big bang, to thermonuclear fire of the stars, to chemical fire on earth.




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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: Asante]
    #21804767 - 06/14/15 02:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't have a biology degree or anything but I'm pretty sure we're not just a collection of combustion. Reactions, yes. But beyond that what makes us (and animals) what we are is all the back and fourth communication going on. There's not really much communication going on in nuclear fusion. There's no chemical or electrical release telling the adjacent atoms what to do. It's just a chain reaction that for lack of a better term is simply "happening".


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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: Asante]
    #21804769 - 06/14/15 02:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Arent human beings an ongoing chemical combustion reaction? We are the smouldering ashes of stars. Think about that one.




thats true, but isnt earth way more complicated than a star?

we have thousands of different chemical reactions going on in our bodies at any given time. living beings, be it plants, animals, humans, whatever, produce exponentially more complex products than something like a star, and there are billions of humans, and trilions and plants and animals.

a star, is pretty basic. it compresses elements into more dense elements, but only to a point, and only in a very specific way. meanwhile, the possibilities of life on earth are limitless




all just skepticism of course. i dont claim to know the secret of life





who knows though, if there is a god out there, theres no reason to think that stars arent living bodies.

too many possibilities to consider them all, really


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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: Asante]
    #21804773 - 06/14/15 02:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think of uranus as a large, all-consuming entity.


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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21804775 - 06/14/15 02:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If information is exchanged by two things bumping into one another, the Sun is King though.

In stars, hydrogen evolves to atoms. he stars blow apart and in space the atoms combine to form molecules, and molecular clusters, andv reactions thereof and life, a propagating combustion reaction.


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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #21804776 - 06/14/15 02:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I think of uranus as a large, all-consuming entity.





It can take stellar amounts of methoxetamine :africaface:


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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: Asante]
    #21804792 - 06/14/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not disputing we're all star stuff and that we wouldn't be here if stars didn't burn basic fuels to make more complex elements.. I'm just saying that nuclear fusion is nothing like cell division or neural activity. The things that make life "life". I have a limited understanding but from what I know it's actually exact opposite. Stars create energy by breaking down stuff. We use energy to make stuff.


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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21804804 - 06/14/15 02:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It depends. Suppose everything is in all things and information can be exchanged by atoms bumping into each other. That would make the Sun one giant superbrain because all atoms inside of it are constantly bumping into each other in a sequence of thousands of years. This can be visualized as a huge, HUGE neural net.


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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: Asante]
    #21804811 - 06/14/15 02:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I enjoy clicking the "See Main Threads" Post and reading Asante's posts from before the psychosis.

It's pretty crazy to see what happened. Not that I'm saying your crazy, your psychosis has just given you some bizarre ideas.

Whether or not they prove to be true is yet to be seen. I guess we'll find out.


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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: Asante]
    #21804877 - 06/14/15 03:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe I have gone too insane to grasp or more sane than you can imagine. Opinions differ.


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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21805004 - 06/14/15 05:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Psychonautica said:
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ohcrapitsnico said:
The sun didn't give us life.




Uhh... Are you trolling or actually this stupid? Good luck living without the sun homeboy.




No he's not trolling. He's right. The sun provides the energy for life, but it doesn't provide life. You need a lot more than a stars energy for life to evolve. Go ask Venus or Mercury or Jupiter if the sun has provided life.

BTW, there are pockets of life in the deep oceans powered by thermal and chemical energy and not dependent upon energy received from the sun.


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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #21805199 - 06/14/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Evolution wouldn't have had a snowball's chance in hell of initiating without the sun. The sun is dangerous, but it's also a life giver. The window of opportunity for life as we know it is extremely small...and it requires a star. Furthermore, all organic materials involved in the creation of life came from exploding stars.


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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21805258 - 06/14/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The sun is one of many elements required for life on earth.  The sun no more important than the earth itself, or a water molecule, or a DNA molecule, or a chlorophyll molecule.  DNA gives life.


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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: koods]
    #21805261 - 06/14/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

But it is important. Without the sun we wouldn't be here, period. Even if all that other stuff was.


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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21805278 - 06/14/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If the sun stopped shining, there are places on earth where life could continue until the radioactive decay of elements in the interior of the planet no longer provided enough heat to keep some water liquid. Millions of years, potentially.

The claim that the sun is the only source of energy available to sustain life on earth is false.

In fact, the first life on earth probably had zero reliance on the suns energy. Those organisms were fuel by the heat of the earth itself and chemicals available in the environment. The extreme radiation of the sun on an early earth with a thin atmosphere would have likely been quite detrimental to life. Only when molecules like chlorophyll evolved that could convert light energy into chemical energy, did the sun become an important energy source.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


Edited by koods (06/14/15 08:40 AM)


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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: koods]
    #21805285 - 06/14/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm talking specifically about human life. We wouldn't be here, not would we survive without the sun.


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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21805296 - 06/14/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Such anthropocentric arrogance.

Regaldless, OP claimed that the sun gave life to ALL life on earth. This is not true. Life evolved to harness the energy of the sun because it was there.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


Edited by koods (06/14/15 08:44 AM)


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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: koods]
    #21805328 - 06/14/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Koods, the guy I was responding to said specifically "us"  idk about you but us means humans to me. saying the sun didn't give us life doesn't have to mean evolutionary life. it could just mean our current life.

Either way you look at it, the sun did give us life.


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Re: Have you thought about the Sun as an entity? [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21805461 - 06/14/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The Sun wouldn't exist without The Milky Way.  Our galaxy wouldn't exist without the Universe.  The Universe wouldn't exist without the multiverse.  All of this exists in a realm of pure consciousness without form.  All things are representations of this same consciousness.  All things in existence play a part in existence. 

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We have basically created/tapped into a new dimension with the internet (the internet doesn't age.  A webpage made in 1996 left untouched will be the exact same as it was, thus it is separate from time).  It could be possible that this reality we are in is contained within an internet(universe) of sorts from a higher dimension.  The beings in the dimension probably exist in an "internet" that was created in a higher dimension than theirs.  It could go on forever, and we technologically advance until we get to a fully immersive virtual reality until we become self-aware inside that virtual reality, leading us to create another reality below the internet...

So we literally could be God, playing a game that gets so advanced it creates the game it is playing. 

In a sense, you would literally live forever.  If it only takes a week to play the game, and when you beat the game you create a new reality where the time is different but the game is the same, then in one week you could live infinite lives by beating the game each time.  If you lose the game (go extinct before creating the new dimension) you find yourself back in the higher reality, ready to start over and work towards eternity.


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