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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21807633 - 06/14/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yep.  That guy.  But I wouldn't go so far as you in saying that is why chicks aren't big in science.  I think women are the reason why there aren't more women in STEM




I'm not sure what you mean by that, but tenured faculties that are essentially old boys' clubs certainly don't help matters.


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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21807663 - 06/14/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Another example of pc gone mad. So what if it was a little bit stupid, how many people have never said anything the slightest bit dumb? Losing your job is a big loss, and this is crap.


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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21807664 - 06/14/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, bring university politics into the discussion and the pub goes silent. :lol:


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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21807684 - 06/14/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I do not think tenure is the issue vis a vis women's lack of involvement in science.  It isn't just in academia.  Private industry doesn't care if you have a vagina


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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21807706 - 06/14/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I do not think tenure is the issue vis a vis women's lack of involvement in science.  It isn't just in academia.  Private industry doesn't care if you have a vagina




So what do you figure is the issue?


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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21807728 - 06/14/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Interest.


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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21807739 - 06/14/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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He didnt say he can't work with women.





yes, he did. He admitted that he can't work with them without falling in love with them.





No he didn't.

he said that men fall in love with women in the lab, and vice versa, and that it compromises their scientific relationship,  basically.  Which is absolutely true.  He didn't say that women should not work in labs, or that he cannot work with them.


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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21807742 - 06/14/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Interest, like on student loans, which are harder for women to pay back with the income gap? I don't get it. Please answer in complete sentences.


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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: Shins]
    #21807757 - 06/14/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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He didnt say he can't work with women.





yes, he did. He admitted that he can't work with them without falling in love with them.





No he didn't.

he said that men fall in love with women in the lab, and vice versa, and that it compromises their scientific relationship,  basically.  Which is absolutely true.  He didn't say that women should not work in labs, or that he cannot work with them.




Tim Hunt being a... [what?]


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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21807777 - 06/14/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Interest, like on student loans, which are harder for women to pay back with the income gap? I don't get it. Please answer in complete sentences.




Women do not choose science because they are not interested in it.  If you don't think that there is a gender difference in what people are interested in you are a drooling moron.  How many men do you know have 40 pairs of shoes?  There is no male Imelda Marcos


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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: Shins]
    #21807791 - 06/14/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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He didnt say he can't work with women.





yes, he did. He admitted that he can't work with them without falling in love with them.





No he didn't.

he said that men fall in love with women in the lab, and vice versa, and that it compromises their scientific relationship,  basically.  Which is absolutely true.  He didn't say that women should not work in labs, or that he cannot work with them.



He said that their persence in the lab was deleterious.  Shut the fuck up, stop defending him, he is a dinosaur moron.


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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21807805 - 06/14/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Deleterious to what?  You completely lack context.


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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21807807 - 06/14/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Interest, like on student loans, which are harder for women to pay back with the income gap? I don't get it. Please answer in complete sentences.




Women do not choose science because they are not interested in it.  If you don't think that there is a gender difference in what people are interested in you are a drooling moron.  How many men do you know have 40 pairs of shoes?  There is no male Imelda Marcos




Are you saying that women are less likely to do the hard work and studying necessary to be a player in STEM fields because they are too busy thinking about their shoes? The fact that Thomas Edison is a household name because he got the lightbulb right after trying a thousand times but that Hedy Lamarr is unknown to most people in spite of having laid down the theoretical framework for modern wireless technology tells me that there is something else going on here.


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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: Shins]
    #21807813 - 06/14/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Deleterious to what?  You completely lack context.



He said they were a distraction. Do you pay any attention at all?


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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21807826 - 06/14/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Interest, like on student loans, which are harder for women to pay back with the income gap? I don't get it. Please answer in complete sentences.




Women do not choose science because they are not interested in it.  If you don't think that there is a gender difference in what people are interested in you are a drooling moron.  How many men do you know have 40 pairs of shoes?  There is no male Imelda Marcos




Are you saying that women are less likely to do the hard work and studying necessary to be a player in STEM fields because they are too busy thinking about their shoes? The fact that Thomas Edison is a household name because he got the lightbulb right after trying a thousand times but that Hedy Lamarr is unknown to most people in spite of having laid down the theoretical framework for modern wireless technology tells me that there is something else going on here.



Not at all.  I'm just saying they're different than men.  Women tend to go into different work areas and it isn't because of systemic bias.


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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21807830 - 06/14/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Deleterious to what?  You completely lack context.



He said they were a distraction. Do you pay any attention at all?





They are.  What he said is true.

and men are also a distraction to women, which he also said.


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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: Shins]
    #21807836 - 06/14/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Deleterious to what?  You completely lack context.



He said they were a distraction. Do you pay any attention at all?





They are.  What he said is true.




You are a distraction.


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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21807840 - 06/14/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Deleterious to what?  You completely lack context.



He said they were a distraction. Do you pay any attention at all?





They are.  What he said is true.




You are a distraction.





Gee what an incredably mature comment from the "burn the witch" crowd.


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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21807841 - 06/14/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

And a useless nuisance who contributes exactly nothing of merit.


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Re: Noble laureate resigns because of whinging PC Women [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #21807845 - 06/14/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'd say that "nothing" is pretty charitable. I've observed that shins actually adds negative value to most conversations in which he participates.


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