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My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics)
#21802928 - 06/13/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The first mushroom that appeared in my box grew thin, went up about 3 centimeters then it grew downwards and then stopped growing.
Now there are plenty more mushrooms in the box but they are very thin and the bottom is covered in mycelium fluff.
All of the mushrooms grow very slowly and should have been done by now, but they are not.
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What could be the problem?
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: eken]
#21802954 - 06/13/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The problem is you used a growbox. You could have used those materials and the info on this site to significantly increase your yield.
The bottom fluff is aerial mycelium, it happens with poor FAE.
What is your timeline? How much time has passed since you first started? What steps did you take to get to where you are now?
We need more info to help you
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: Myconin]
#21802989 - 06/13/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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8 days has passed since the first mushrooms appeared.
I have the box on the floor in my room, its about 21 degrees celcius and the only light source is indirect light from my windows.
Sorry if im bad at this stuff but what is FAE?
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: eken]
#21803035 - 06/13/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is slightly too cold. FAE is fresh Air exchange. Your mushrooms are safe to eat but before your next go, do a lot more reading.
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: Myconin]
#21803077 - 06/13/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Myconin said: What steps did you take to get to where you are now?
I was more asking: how did this whole thing start? Could you please describe everything you've done since day one, in as much detail as possible. There are so many things that can go wrong with this hobby that it's a little difficult to narrow things down at this point.
What materials did you use? What kind of mush are you growing, is it cubes? Please give as much info as you can.
Right now, it seems like the growbox is the issue. Those things are grossly overpriced to cheat noobs out of money, sorry to say 
Edit: Temps should not be a factor at all, since ideal temps are between 65F and 75F for colonizing and fruiting, and you're right in there
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: Myconin]
#21803109 - 06/13/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just washed my hands throughly and put water in it, wait 12 hours, put the box in the bag and seal it.
Then i just put it on the floor in my room and waited 
From today and on i will let some air in about 15 minutes a day every third day or so. I have no clue why they grow so slowly...
Edited by eken (06/13/15 05:46 PM)
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: eken]
#21803181 - 06/13/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry myconin. You are correct. Brain fart, I usually use F and wasnt thinking correctly. You are definately right and I'm sure you have more knowledge to help this good sir!
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: rockNrolla]
#21803186 - 06/13/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Colonizing temps should be a little higher so you can drop them to help induce fruiting. Something I can help with tho! Get your stuff off the floor!!!!!
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: rockNrolla]
#21803207 - 06/13/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Eken, remove the vendor name from your last post. It'll get you in shit with the admins/mods if they find it.
We don't plug vendor's names in these kinds of posts because it implicates them in illegal activity. If you value your account, don't post vendor's names. It's in the rules.
As far as the time of growth, I'm thinking it's one of two things...
Either the amount of air you're giving is insufficient (Try to look up a ShotGun Fruiting Chamber and build one of those for fruiting that little box)
Otherwise, it could be just a shitty substrate making shitty fruits. We here have numerous combinations of nutritious subs for cubes to grow on. I'd look into those too.
At least you got cubes out of it I've seen some pics of some pretty nasty things growing out of growboxes, yours went fairly well considering that.
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: rockNrolla]
#21803213 - 06/13/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are there holes in that grow box? They need constant fresh air.
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: rockNrolla]
#21803218 - 06/13/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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rockNrolla said: Colonizing temps should be a little higher so you can drop them to help induce fruiting
Not true. I fruit at 65F-75F with no problems whatsoever. Bringing your temps up to the mid 80's will allow the competing molds and bacteria ideal colonizing temps. Yes, higher temps have shown to decrease colonization time, but ime it's just not worth the risk of contams.
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: LocN9ne]
#21803227 - 06/13/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Okay thanx for that tip, i removed it now!
Theres no air holes in the plastic bag covering it, there is a white patch on the bag however which i dont know the function of.
The top of the bag is folded once, so air could technically enter the bag but i doubt it does.
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: eken]
#21803247 - 06/13/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The white patch, I'm guessing, is a filter. Do you have a pic of that?
Unfortunately, 99% of growboxes are sub-par for what every grower wants to produce. I hate to be the one to say this, but you got had. For the amount of money spent on that box, you could have made your own setup and would've known exactly whats in the substrate, as well as been able to control all the factors.
If I were you at this point, I would print/clone what I could from this flush and use those to start the next project. Unless of course you'd like to buy a spore syringe from someone reputable and try the PF Tek, which is where 90% of beginners should start according to this site.
This didn't go anywhere near as bad as it could have though 
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: Myconin]
#21803248 - 06/13/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I never said mid 80s. I colonize about 75 so I can drop to 70 to fruit. I use monotubs so I am aware that my fruiting chamber is always a little warmer than the room they are in. I did mess up on my conversion of C to F earlier, but if you think that a temp. drop can't help induce pinning/fruiting your 300 posts Give you no more credibility than my 4.
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: rockNrolla]
#21803284 - 06/13/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Open that bag up and let them bad boys breath...do you have a small tote that you could make a monotub out of? I'd go that route... make a mini monotub, trim that bag down to the substrate level, and put it into the mono... I don't have any experience with bags let alone fruiting in one... but your fruits definitely need more Fresh Air Exchange.
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: rockNrolla]
#21803287 - 06/13/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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rockNrolla said: Colonizing temps should be a little higher so you can drop them to help induce fruiting.
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rockNrolla said: I never said mid 80s. I colonize about 75 so I can drop to 70 to fruit. I use monotubs so I am aware that my fruiting chamber is always a little warmer than the room they are in. I did mess up on my conversion of C to F earlier, but if you think that a temp. drop can't help induce pinning/fruiting your 300 posts Give you no more credibility than my 4.
This is a common misconception.
Cubes are a tropical species and don't benefit from a temp drop. Other species, such as azures and pan cyans, are far more susceptible to temps and require such treatment. You don't need to drop temp for fruiting cubes ime.
Also, a drop of 5 degrees happens daily with temp fluctuations, and does not typically qualify as a good enough drop in temps for growing temperature-sensitive species.
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: LocN9ne]
#21803300 - 06/13/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: Open that bag up and let them bad boys breath...do you have a small tote that you could make a monotub out of? I'd go that route... make a mini monotub, trim that bag down to the substrate level, and put it into the mono... I don't have any experience with bags let alone fruiting in one... but your fruits definitely need more Fresh Air Exchange.
I think you mean SGFC, right? A monotub has the whole bottom as a sub, while a SGFC uses perlite or some equivalent for humidification of the air inside the FC
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: Myconin]
#21803322 - 06/13/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, after im done with this growbox i will get into the real deal of growing.
I just thought of this as a fast and comfortable way to get my long wanted trip.
Here is a picture of the filter:
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: Myconin]
#21803327 - 06/13/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd use a mini monotub set up... I put a couple trays about that size in my SGFC and I was not satisfied...it could have been my set up though...seems like using a tote with similar dimensions as the bottom of that grow box would be about the same as a normal sub lined with plastic ...I'm no expert by far that's just my opinion.
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: eken]
#21803336 - 06/13/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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eken said: Yes, after im done with this growbox i will get into the real deal of growing.
I just thought of this as a fast and comfortable way to get my long wanted trip.
Here is a picture of the filter:

Yup, filter. Definitely not enough for good FAE though. Fuckin' growboxes... They should be a little more up to par for what people pay.
This was a good learning experience for you. Use the "search our forums" option, or use advanced search, to find any info you need; a commonly missed thing by newcomers.
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: eken]
#21803347 - 06/13/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Open the bag, leave it open and mist it with water a few times a day.
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: BkillsU]
#21803370 - 06/13/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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BkillsU said: Open the bag, leave it open and mist it with water a few times a day.
I must disagree with you sir. The best way at this point would be a sgfc so OP can control all the variables better.
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: Myconin]
#21803400 - 06/13/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the easiest, most effective way, without spending any more money would just be to open the bag, leave it open, and mist it a few times a day. Those fuckers will get PLENTY of fresh air that way and the walls of the bag should help keep humidity pretty high.
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: BkillsU]
#21803413 - 06/13/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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BkillsU said: I think the easiest, most effective way, without spending any more money would just be to open the bag, leave it open, and mist it a few times a day. Those fuckers will get PLENTY of fresh air that way and the walls of the bag should help keep humidity pretty high.
I'm not saying it won't work, your method will allow for FAE. However, since this was already screwed from the start (being a growbox), I'm trying to advise OP of his best possible course of action. A SGFC is ideal for this instance imo.
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: Myconin]
#21803877 - 06/13/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those fruits are DYING for fresh air exchange. You need CONSTANT fae. They've been adapted to grow outside. You need maximum 1000 ppm of co2. Those long skinny stems and fluffy asses are a big indicator you need fae. Idk wtf these grow kit people are thinking, they need more holes for air. You're like the 20th person I've told in 3 months to poke more holes in the bag.
That bag needs more holes. Take a knife or a pen and poke like 10 or so holes into it all over. Also mist when it's looking dry. Keep the surface moist.
If you gave a good grower a grow kit, I bet he'd makeshift it so much to dial it in until it's perfect. Grow kits can produce great flushes. I've seen it. Hell you can even do invitro grows with a jar and a bag with holes taped onto the jar for a "fruiting chamber" just poke holes until it's good.
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: Mad Season]
#21804609 - 06/14/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanx alot for all the help!
I poked some holes into the bag now, hopefully things start happening
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: eken]
#21805362 - 06/14/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is that the air exchange filter
Myconin said it right
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: rudeboi]
#21805398 - 06/14/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not everyone can make a shotgun, but everyone knows how to poke holes or tape holes up if it's getting too much fae. It's all about dialing it in right.
If op made a shotgun, it'd be good because he doesn't have to do that next grow. However don't knock on bags as a fruiting chamber. Where's bod when you need him? He has amazing invitro grows done in grocery bags. Just because there's just no tried, tested, and true teks for bags, doesn't mean it doesn't work.
The only reasons I wouldn't ever get a grow kit is because I don't know how it was made and the price. If it contaminates, it's an unknown cause. Like I said, give a good grower a grow kit and I bet he'd make it push out amazing stuff. A few ounces for sure.
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: Mad Season]
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: bodhisatta]
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: bodhisatta]
#21805523 - 06/14/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Haha there's bod! I still have yet to try bags as an fc, but you definitely inspired me to try it some day.
Op post more pics in a few days/next flush, and we can tell you if you need anything more 
Make sure to mist when it isn't moist anymore and don't mist until there's pooled water. You just want it moist not wet.
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: Mad Season]
#21805528 - 06/14/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Probably could have gotten a nicer first flush pinset but that bag box thing was quite neglected
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: bodhisatta]
#21805532 - 06/14/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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They should make a bod-call smiley

Quart ziplock baggie over the top.
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: Mad Season]
#21805892 - 06/14/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Just because there's just no tried, tested, and true teks for bags, doesn't mean it doesn't work.
I didn't say it wouldn't work, I just said it wasn't ideal imo. I tried bags over jars and cups before and just find a sgfc to be superior.
Bags will definitely work, a sgfc is just all around better I think
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: Myconin]
#21805897 - 06/14/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Knowing what to do is all around best.
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Mad Season
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Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: bodhisatta]
#21805947 - 06/14/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i agree a sgfc is probably better for the inexperienced since it's always dialed in. However experienced growers should be able to get the same results with a bag. The mushrooms speak to us. Just do what they say they need
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bodhisatta 
Smurf real estate agent


Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,889
Loc: Milky way
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: Mad Season]
#21805961 - 06/14/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sgfc is great but after cakes its just a box with holes thats good for straw prep
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Myconin
Mushroom Ninja



Registered: 05/11/15
Posts: 308
Loc: The shadows...
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: bodhisatta]
#21805970 - 06/14/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'm on mono's myself. I still use my sgfc for my trays and experiments though
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eken
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Registered: 06/13/15
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Re: My growbox is very slow and some other problems (pics) [Re: Myconin]
#21807263 - 06/14/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I poked a few holes in the bag as you guys adviced, in 24 hours they have grown tremendous amounts! Problem solved, too little fresh air 
Thanx for all the help
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