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My dreams are interfering with my memories - is this bad?
#21802544 - 06/13/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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For those of you who haven't seen me preaching my practice, I'm in the process of trying to create a "sober trip" - basically trying to find out the truths of spirituality by not accessing spirituality through religions which can easily be misinterpreted. I seek to learn how to naturally "raise ones vibration" and I wish to eventually pass on these lessons so other can learn to find spirituality on their own
I haven't gotten very far in merging dreams/reality, but I have made progress. I've hallucinated once after waking up, I can make complicated patterns move in certain ways, I can sometimes activate my dream state and see some things with my eyes closed, but usually as soon as I start seeing stuff I get super happy and I break the "letting go" aspect of it
So to the issue. Recently my dreams have changed. A year or two ago, I barely dreamed anymore (I smoke weed daily) until I started my spiritual journey... recently I've started dreaming more... but not only that the state I'm in inside my dreams has changed. Im more confused, tired, and "flaccid." I've asked if I'm dreaming but was too "messed up" in the dream to actually question it past saying "am i dreaming?"
Like I'm becoming weaker in my dreams
Not only that - but now I'm starting to remember my dreams as reality... quite often. More than I ever used to, thats for sure. At least once a day or two I'll confuse a ream with reality. And sometimes I don't even remember the dream!
Now, I'm super excited that I'm gaining perceptual (visual and auditory) control of reality, and I'm psyched I'm dreaming more, and that my dreams are fantastic/unreal again, but I'm worried that my goals to merge my dreamsttates and reality are taking an unexpected path
I wanted to bring my dreams into reality, but either my dreams are too realistic and I confuse them, or I'm bringing my reality into dreams....
I'm more likely to feel the latter. While I have more mystical dreams, I also am having a lot of dreams that are VERY grounded in my reality. Literally solving issues from that day.
One of my goals is to be able to force myself to hallucinate (I did it once while tripping - to a great detail) in a way where I can know the difference between reality and fantasy
from there I wanna use that for my arts/to then try to master my body further to try and explore dimensions/alternate life possibilities if they exist.
Any thoughts on whats happening?
-------------------- Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.
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Re: My dreams are interfering with my memories - is this bad? [Re: glimpee]
#21802863 - 06/13/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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avoiding loss of energy comes in many forms. . . don't lose sexual energy, don't lose psychic energy, don't lose mental or physical energy unnecessarily. perfecting these habits is part of what the spiritual path is about; but putting it into words isn't necessary, just doing it -
you may be losing energy in any number of ways. . . there are hundreds of ways energy flows into and out from us. . . the most simple are psychic, mental, physical, emotional, spiritual, etc. and partly these are just descriptions of our life and so forth. hope this may have been a little helpful.
maybe take 10-15 minutes 3 times a day, breathe calmly in meditation, letting it all go and. . . well, this is almost always a good idea, may be helpful in gaining insight into what is going on with you.
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Re: My dreams are interfering with my memories - is this bad? [Re: once in a lifetime]
#21804504 - 06/14/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your perspective is very intriguing because it begs the ultimate question.... Is all "reality" just a "dream"?
I have come to the conclusion that it is as simple as it is.... We "ultimate" forms have chosen to particulate ourselves into the very states which we have yet to discover... Each day we literally form the reality which we choose to pursue...
It's funny because I just had a dream a few nights ago where literally I can recall that before I entered the very human body typing this statement... I chose which reality was to exist for that day... The only way I can truly relate this is through a story...
I had a dream where I was a drug kingpin that worked with the Mexican cartels... every bit of the dream was fabricated based on my own subconscious notion of reality... The locations we chose to do our business happened to be locations I know of in our "reality on earth"... Each person represented in the dream were forms of people I knew in the "reality on earth"... Eventually the dream came to a startling conclusion which is resembled through our subconscious as humans... The head "honcho" of the organization was to meet with me. We met at a location which resembles an actual location I "KNOW" of... My house which I had lived in at the time... As we entered the house, he told me to go downstairs into the "basement" while he discussed business with other "partners" in the drug trade...
This is where it gets to the revelation you want to know... As I stared into the empty basement which I was told to enter... I realized something profound... I was about to be executed Mexican drug cartel style... In the very basement which I identified with as my home... The minute I came upon this realization, I became infuriated and marched away from the basement but rather to the kitchen where his "meeting" was taking place... As i confronted the main boss of the organization with vapid words of arrogance, he pulled a knife and before I could stop him... BOOM.... there i was a simple human with a knife through my stomach... The PAIN was REAL... I have never felt such immense pain in my life and it literally brought me to my knees as I fell to the ground ready to die... As i lay there on the ground, dying, from my stab wound... One of the men who happened to represent a friend in my life tried to help me up... The minute he took a step to help me up to my feet...
The boss said something chilling... This is what he said... "Don't help him!!!!! He knows exactly what awaits him!!!"... In that moment I began to realize the true totality of existence and in that moment that I lay DYING... I found myself once again and found a reality that I could cling onto... I realized my true potential and actually began to project myself back into reality... The pain that I felt from getting stabbed actually progressed back into my normal reality... When I realized myself back in my bed which i had fallen asleep on... I still remember the pain from the stabbing to this day... It carried over into my very existence...
It may sound absurd to believe this dream but it is very much true...
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Re: My dreams are interfering with my memories - is this bad? [Re: once in a lifetime]
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once in a lifetime said: avoiding loss of energy comes in many forms. . . don't lose sexual energy, don't lose psychic energy, don't lose mental or physical energy unnecessarily. perfecting these habits is part of what the spiritual path is about; but putting it into words isn't necessary, just doing it -
you may be losing energy in any number of ways. . . there are hundreds of ways energy flows into and out from us. . . the most simple are psychic, mental, physical, emotional, spiritual, etc. and partly these are just descriptions of our life and so forth. hope this may have been a little helpful.
maybe take 10-15 minutes 3 times a day, breathe calmly in meditation, letting it all go and. . . well, this is almost always a good idea, may be helpful in gaining insight into what is going on with you.
Best
Thanks for the encouragement I kinda needed to hear that because I've been falling behind in my practices... and I think it's related to my inability to get psychedelics as often right now
huh.. I would think no lsd would mean more dreams if my dreams didn't start coming back before that
I've actually had a few interesting meditation experiences, although I don't sit and meditate often
Before I ever did, I wanted to but never wanted to sit down for two hours and do that. One day I had a dream, me and a friend (not sure who) was walking through the woods when we met a bearded woodsman hippie and his girl. I think he said something about teaching me to trip or something, because he got me to meditate. I asked something like "but how will I trip?" and he slipped a tab in my mouth. I kinda feel like I remember it as a placebo but I'm not sure about that one.
Anyway I closed my eyes and meditated. I don't remember what I saw until the started massaging my belly, pretty deep and uncomfortable, like moving my organs around. I saw an image of a thick raw piece of cow meat (I just knew it was cow) jiggling on a table in insane detail. I don't remember more after that but it inspired me to meditate for a few weeks
I experimented with meditating in association with tripping. I took 7 tabs, 1.2 of shrooms, and .12 of MDMA. Instantly after ingesting and putting the tabs in my mouth I turned everything off and meditated for two hours. I opened my eyes and had maybe the most revolutionary trip of my life
I achieved an ultimate fractal within seconds using an extremely, EXTREMELY basic "pattern"
I was able to hallucinate the inside of my car, fake rooms, giant chairs piled with dirty clothes, and ever-changing piles of realistic antique furniture. I was also able to duplicate a pillow to fill a room. If I learn how to do either of those within a year, I'm the fucking messiah I swear to god haha
I also overcame subconscious doubt and got myself to plebabo a mild trip for 4 hours, although I took fake las (it was just normal candy) but idk if I meditated.
I try to meditate during any mindless task, including driving. Often I'll even blur my vision to lose grip on context of the categories of human visual perception (line, shape, color, movement, etc) as that is the first key to building a pattern and then expanding it, which is one of the first goals in my practice. Although I've never expanded a pattern outside of itself while sober yet
Namesexist... I have had many similar experiences, although they all happened when I was much younger, and i had some traumatic but not at all terrible circumstances, and I also believe I was likely more spiritually "in tune" when I was younger - less was repressed etc. But I had a inferiority complex dream about my little brother - basically fears that he would surpass me. In my dream he was twice my size, two headed, rippped, six arms, and cowboy hats. Honestly, remembering it idk how I even could tell it was him (dream intuition) but something happened leading to him repeatedly punching me with all 6 arms. When I woke up I could still feel punching coming through my bed and I had to jump off
much much much later, sometime this year, I accessed a dream state an hour after waking up - while I was still relaxing in bed. all of a sudden I had a complex eye reflecting my own, except a hazel green instead of my blue. When I opened my eyes two massive cartoon spiders were descending on me.... it was connected to some other spider stuff in my life but this is getting long enough haha. I looked into spider hallucinations in the morning and most people just see a black shadow spider move and then its gone..... These had color and detail. I could draw them. They were pretty good designs
thank you both for the insights
-------------------- Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.
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Re: My dreams are interfering with my memories - is this bad? [Re: glimpee]
#21805787 - 06/14/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is what dreams are made of..
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Re: My dreams are interfering with my memories - is this bad? [Re: Douglas Howard]
#21806658 - 06/14/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Douglas Howard said: This is what dreams are made of..
Edgar Casey is now one of those people I have insane jealousy of. He was always spiritually inclined. If I started my life spiritually inclined like that, the progress I would have made by now would be insane. I might have actually had the chance in my life to achieve god-status haha
But I think he was onto some good stuff, for example, I believe that this reality is a universal consciousness dream, and our dreams are more individual. The deeper into dreams we get, the more the individual get split. The more we wake up, the more we remerge with the consciousness
thats my theory anyways - and it seems like Casey also thought there were different dream states as well
One day I hope to be a Jim Jones type dude, without the suicide part. I wanna spread methods of learning to achieve spirituality, a religion that doesn't pass on metaphorical lessons but instead basic guidelines to exploring spirituality on your own
Gotta learn more tho!
-------------------- Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.
Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069
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Re: My dreams are interfering with my memories - is this bad? [Re: glimpee]
#21806804 - 06/14/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Edgar Cayce had prophesied about the people that he called the Atlanteans. These people were the people before the great flood that has knowledge of the universe but were misusing this knowledge. They were able to connect to the spiritual realm and learn all sort of things from them. Edgar said that they had left records and one of the recordings were around the Yucatan Peninsula and which I believe that someone has found this part of the records from tablets of stones and copied them onto animal skin sheets in the 1400"s, but the scholars doesn't has any idea were it had came from or whom had written it. Voynich manuscript is the biggest mysterious writings that they cannot interpret its writings.
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Re: My dreams are interfering with my memories - is this bad? [Re: Douglas Howard]
#21806933 - 06/14/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Douglas Howard said: Edgar Cayce had prophesied about the people that he called the Atlanteans. These people were the people before the great flood that has knowledge of the universe but were misusing this knowledge. They were able to connect to the spiritual realm and learn all sort of things from them. Edgar said that they had left records and one of the recordings were around the Yucatan Peninsula and which I believe that someone has found this part of the records from tablets of stones and copied them onto animal skin sheets in the 1400"s, but the scholars doesn't has any idea were it had came from or whom had written it. Voynich manuscript is the biggest mysterious writings that they cannot interpret its writings.
I haven't watched the videos yet, but also in greek myth it was believed that gods, giants, monsters, and men roamed the earth together
I don't know if you've researched the Cern Hydron Super Colider, but some pretty interesting theories are floating around
for example - apparently the CHSC was found in extremely ancient technology, and is theorized by some to be a type of stargate
Allegedly the last time the collider ran (2013) it actually opened portals in nearby areas where giants and demons walked through. While there are no photos or videos I can find, apparently police were called multiple times. The collider burned out due to its magnets not being powerful enough before it finished running. It's scheduled to run again this year. Keep your eyes open for it
It's POSSIBLE (although far out) that gods/inter-dimensonal beings did walk with man - but eventually went back into the stargate and left humanity. There is nothing to disprove this theory - but there is also very little to infer, not even prove, that it was possible.
Furthermore, all new ideas are combination of old ones (or sent from the universal consciousness/reality) so the idea of "God" must have come from somewhere
I almost doubt that someone a very long time ago could have just created the idea of a god. I feel like there is some reference in reality that led to that idea. Perhaps different religion figures did walk the earth - the CHSC actually has the hindu dancing god that dancing reality into existence and stops dancing to destroy all - as a statue in front of their labs.
One of my biggest fears is that I will achieve spirituality in an "artificial" way and that will somehow lead me down a bad path or get me rejected from spirituality. I got rejected from DMT so I believe it would be possible
Although I take solace in the face that shamans and monks also take hallucinogens - so I might be OK
Thanks for the insights, the videos look kind of long but Ill try to watch them at some point
-------------------- Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.
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Re: My dreams are interfering with my memories - is this bad? [Re: glimpee]
#21806987 - 06/14/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure those things you mention as having taken place at CERN did not happen...
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Re: My dreams are interfering with my memories - is this bad? [Re: DividedQuantum]
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DividedQuantum said: I'm pretty sure those things you mention as having taken place at CERN did not happen...
I take everything with a grain of salt - but it's worth knowing that a lot of people vouch for this and there is a lot of connections between these ideas.
Again, I'm not saying that this is right or even close to right - it's just an idea to keep in the back of your mind as new things keep happening
I'm excited to see what happens next time it runs. That will be the "proof" unless the scientists are trying to debunk these theories
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Re: My dreams are interfering with my memories - is this bad? [Re: glimpee]
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Re: My dreams are interfering with my memories - is this bad? [Re: Douglas Howard]
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Only had time to watch dynamo jack... damn
Thats the goal....
I have to wonder if abstaining from public view is part of attaining this power. Perhaps thats why it's gone unproven.
I also wonder if I will be able to learn these abilities on my own.....
In my past I was taught something, focusing my energy between my hands to make an orb of heat.... I wonder if that's associated with Chakra
Once they explained what Yin was tho... I had an electric feeling shiver in my skull and part of my back.... Is that chakra?
fuck theres so much I need to know now..
-------------------- Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.
Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069
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Re: My dreams are interfering with my memories - is this bad? [Re: glimpee]
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Only had time to watch dynamo jack... damn
Thats the goal....
I have to wonder if abstaining from public view is part of attaining this power. Perhaps thats why it's gone unproven.
I also wonder if I will be able to learn these abilities on my own.....
In my past I was taught something, focusing my energy between my hands to make an orb of heat.... I wonder if that's associated with Chakra
Once they explained what Yin was tho... I had an electric feeling shiver in my skull and part of my back.... Is that chakra?
fuck theres so much I need to know now..
In the Bible, it says that the people of Babel were building a High pyramid to make a name for themselves, but whom were they trying to compete with, and or whom did they wanted to be recognized by? They were the only people that were living at the time and they were all together. They were trying to be like someones or beings. In the Book of Jasher and which they didn't added it with the other books that are in the Bible and which I believe that the scientific community or the bio-tech industries didn't wanted them to be composed with the others due to the reason why is that it had spoke against genetic modifying and birth control. These people had gained knowledge through spirits that had enlightened them on some things that they are able to do. But I believe that they had taken this knowledge and started to misused it. Jesus had told them that we are all capable of doing a lot of things, but that if they'll be able to be trusted with the key (wisdom). He said a good person produces good and a bad person produces evil. In the first video it show how the KGB were into these phenomenons, and truly believe that these abilities existed in us. Even the USA had believed and were having soldiers to stare at goats to get the goat's heart to explode. I believe that is how the idea of genetic modifying and others ideas that had came about, is from the Biblical scriptures. Scholars is always studying the things that they had done in the scriptures and put them to the test to see if it is the truth. Even the Generals of arm forces had uses battle tactics that were used in the Bible and they used that same tactic and found out that it has worked for them as well. God had stripped the people from all knowledge (causing Amnesia) during the time of the tower was being built, causing everyone to be confused and wondered away from one another, and so that they were unable to restart what the others were doing before, and that is why we didn't had matured that far into genetic modifying since it has been around for ages. There is a spiritual realm that these beings are very highly intelligent, that only certain ones are only allow to have the keys (To tap into) to this kingdom. I believe that orbs are spirits that can change into different forms; and I believe some people does sees them, but not all orbs are bad. But these orbs has different task. Some might enters into our minds and gives us knowledge of certain things and then some might bring in evil desires. It says that We are gods of this realm, but we has been corrupted and serving an evil force. I believe that we are suppose to have been patching things up when things goes wrong; like genetic modifying; I believe That if a plant cannot fix its genetic, that we are suppose to help repair that damage gene with good gene from the same plant life, not with something that isn't of its kind. I believe if all of our genes are repaired by it kind, that we all will be a perfect being.
http://articles.latimes.com/2005/mar/23/nation/na-genetics23
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Re: My dreams are interfering with my memories - is this bad? [Re: Douglas Howard]
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Douglas Howard said:
Only had time to watch dynamo jack... damn
Thats the goal....
I have to wonder if abstaining from public view is part of attaining this power. Perhaps thats why it's gone unproven.
I also wonder if I will be able to learn these abilities on my own.....
In my past I was taught something, focusing my energy between my hands to make an orb of heat.... I wonder if that's associated with Chakra
Once they explained what Yin was tho... I had an electric feeling shiver in my skull and part of my back.... Is that chakra?
fuck theres so much I need to know now..
In the Bible, it says that the people of Babel were building a High pyramid to make a name for themselves, but whom were they trying to compete with, and or whom did they wanted to be recognized by? They were the only people that were living at the time and they were all together. They were trying to be like someones or beings. In the Book of Jasher and which they didn't added it with the other books that are in the Bible and which I believe that the scientific community or the bio-tech industries didn't wanted them to be composed with the others due to the reason why is that it had spoke against genetic modifying and birth control. These people had gained knowledge through spirits that had enlightened them on some things that they are able to do. But I believe that they had taken this knowledge and started to misused it. Jesus had told them that we are all capable of doing a lot of things, but that if they'll be able to be trusted with the key (wisdom). He said a good person produces good and a bad person produces evil. In the first video it show how the KGB were into these phenomenons, and truly believe that these abilities existed in us. Even the USA had believed and were having soldiers to stare at goats to get the goat's heart to explode. I believe that is how the idea of genetic modifying and others ideas that had came about, is from the Biblical scriptures. Scholars is always studying the things that they had done in the scriptures and put them to the test to see if it is the truth. Even the Generals of arm forces had uses battle tactics that were used in the Bible and they used that same tactic and found out that it has worked for them as well. God had stripped the people from all knowledge (causing Amnesia) during the time of the tower was being built, causing everyone to be confused and wondered away from one another, and so that they were unable to restart what the others were doing before, and that is why we didn't had matured that far into genetic modifying since it has been around for ages. There is a spiritual realm that these beings are very highly intelligent, that only certain ones are only allow to have the keys (To tap into) to this kingdom. I believe that orbs are spirits that can change into different forms; and I believe some people does sees them, but not all orbs are bad. But these orbs has different task. Some might enters into our minds and gives us knowledge of certain things and then some might bring in evil desires. It says that We are gods of this realm, but we has been corrupted and serving an evil force. I believe that we are suppose to have been patching things up when things goes wrong; like genetic modifying; I believe That if a plant cannot fix its genetic, that we are suppose to help repair that damage gene with good gene from the same plant life, not with something that isn't of its kind. I believe if all of our genes are repaired by it kind, that we all will be a perfect being.
http://articles.latimes.com/2005/mar/23/nation/na-genetics23
Interesting stuff I will have to ponder, thanks
I'm not sure if it's really related, but I've tripped in my dreams twice - both times seeing/interacting with orbs
First time a dark energy orb flew across the sky, as if it was in space (hard to explain its detail)
Second time neon green and pink orb lights danced around me
Another thing to add is that I don't beleive humans can create a completely new idea. Meaning we create ideas by drawing from or combining other previously-known ideas. That's why we can't create things that are past our perception of understanding (unless someone is passed on this knowledge by spirits or the like)
by the way, I'm glad to hear that other religions believe that spirits pass on new info - I'm building my own "religion" and have come to that conclusion as well.
I had something else to say but I forget. I may come back later and expand upon what I ponder. Thanks for the great insights
-------------------- Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.
Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069
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