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desant
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Worshipping nature
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Nature = God and God = nature
By worshipping nature i worship God
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Re: Worshipping nature [Re: desant]
#21802349 - 06/13/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hurrah and bravo, my dear friend.



Joy and delight in worshipping nature is vast, for sure.
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for years i was doing my spirituality in a totally man made way, neglecting nature. i developed a deep relationship with Spirit this way but felt like something was seriously missing. with the help of the aminita muscaria mushroom, i learned what was missing was love for nature and creation and its sacred rythms (sp) which i was out of tune with.
the downside is i cant stand my life in society anymore. I must find a way to move closer to nature.
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Re: Worshipping nature [Re: Deviate] 1
#21802793 - 06/13/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah man, i would say go for it, it's worth it,
i've spent quite a while now without a phone, without much contact with people except for my neighbors who are close friends,
to me its simple, get back to what is normal, for humans that is small groups,
so , ya do it man it's good 
i go to town occasionally and work some, but otherwise nah, i do a litle work and peace stuff, but man the best thing to do for society is to leave it alone. . .
you're still part of society if you simply devote all of your time to finding deepest peace - which is simply connection to God, naturally.
there's quite a few levels to it, and it's nice to see the other ones. . .
like - you know, life is always the same. . . it's so wonderful, to have peace to sort it out,
and a lot of saints / sages say this is the best thing - go out in nature,
laoze, milarepa, christ, buddha, saint anthony, father francis. . .
dogen, thay, everyone else. being out in nature is where it's at 
in every single culture. . . there's not a one that doesn't have the simple prescription: go out to nature, if one seeks mystical stuff or anything - some call being in nature the 'true life' that can't be felt in the city.
of course - as soon as i think that, i then come back, one way or another, fairly quickly to the point that all places are equal - feels like a balancing instinct. .
then i could investigate this instinct but i have no need
I am quite happy with it:) it has led me well almost every time and seldom led me astray, haha. 
joy and all success to you deviate, friend. 
oh yah and the only time it hink a society ever would not say "go out in nature, to have perfect health, to see wisdom," would be if that society had succeeded in merging witht he natural way, so much so that they don't think about it,
which is of course the ideal 
and if we haven't achieved full and complete perfection, we are still always learning, and incorporating new aspects of it to our lives -
and this is as it has always been, and is boundless, and in just so many aspects that it is boundless we have yet to experience all perhaps,
yet even a drop of water is of the same taste as the whole ocean, and in the same way, our souls - what they may be, what we may call them - are of the same nature as the universe around them.
This simple fact is not discussed often enough.
-------------------- Innocent, Oldfield & Hegerland Julia Delaney, Bothy Band Rasta Girl, Sister Carol Genesis, Jorma K I Wish You Peace, Lawrence Laughing Do Your Thing, Moondog large . . music garden . . veryall peace them hiStarhouse - main Time Traveler's Guide
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Re: Worshipping nature [Re: desant]
#21805775 - 06/14/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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desant said: Nature = God and God = nature
By worshipping nature i worship God 
Simple Pantheism. It appeals to Sensate types, not Intuitives. Pantheism translates to the Greek words 'pan' (like the god, it means 'all') + theism (which refers to God). Personally, I prefer the more elegant notion of Panentheism which when broken down means 'God is IN all.' The word conveys the transcendental in addition to the manifest creation - much more importantly IMO. God ≠ Nature because nature ('physis' in Greek, hence our word 'physics') exists only as space-time, with spatial extension and temporal duration. There is an Ultimate Reality from which the physical universe emerged, and which therefore pre-exists nature. God is prior to the physical, hence It is metaphysical. It must still be Present if it is eternal, transcending its creation (at the Big Bang).
Nature is like the finger pointing at the moon in the Zen metaphor. One does not mistake the pointing finger for the moon. Likewise, creation is pointing to its Creator which transcends its creation, yet being eternal in its transcendence must necessarily be Present to space-time, but apprehended indirectly by Intuition not the Sensate function. Mystical experiences are moments of overwhelming Intuition which register on the psyche - a more subtle aspect of nature than the physical yet co-exiting with the physical. God cannot suffuse or permeate creation because God is not a substance and has no spatial extension. It is incorrect to say then that God is omnipresent, everywhere. Philosopher Blaise Pascal said that "God is an intelligible sphere whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere." Joseph Campbell added to this definition and said "God is an intelligible sphere - a sphere known to the mind, not to the senses - whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere."
So, God must exist prior to the existence of dimensions and nature exists in 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimensions according to our senses, (even though hyperspatial or transcendental dimensions can be demonstrated to exist by mathematicians, they are beyond our capacity to experience them). The Singularity of the Big Bang had Zero-dimension as a point. Then omnidirectional expansion of 1-dimensional line-segments of energy defined an expanding 3-dimensional sphere of Primal Plasma. Extension demands duration, so time was born simultaneously.
I find it is more honest to worship a Mystery than create an idol out of nature. Even Wiccans personify nature into God and Goddess, which is a typically human anthropomorphism based on the duality of sexes, in plants and animals in nature. Wiccan Pantheism is at least Ditheism (2 deities) if not Polytheism (many deities), but the universe emerged from ONE point, and presumably one source, which understandably supplies Monistic and Monotheistic faiths with their worship of One transcendental God.
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Well nature is the Purity of Life..the Alchemists call this Gold..and inside the tame Reality Frame..is the Single notion of Priesthood.. and the notion of something Change Tangible is a network of information which in Honest Speak is the Logos..which overcomes life to precisely point the way around an Endless knot of Vines and Roots..the Tree it self is Magnificent..and the Arguable return to Regrowth..for the Brambles and the Berries..the Bears and the Raccoons..the Legal Length of a Hair..is of Course fiber of the Dead tisue of our white blood cells..and in which we can find chlorophyll..which in Chemistry..is the receptor for the Light Photosynthesis..
The Circuit is of the 8 Logic..which is a Lodge..of the Comfortabilities of the Mason lodge of Strange Sinew(Which Holds Bones together(Marrow)) And light is of the Agape..a Fresh Renewing Spring..in which Life can Host its Meritocracies..
in this we find the Circuit of Nature..which is a System of Open and Closed Systematics..and in so saying this..we weave a fine web around our Knowledge which is of course the Creation of Nature...and therein do we find the Amount of Commpassion.. in which we Nurture..the very Root of our Being..into and of the Witch..the Delicate Leaf..or the Branches..which represent our Fall into Matter..into of which the Tree of Life..gives Fruits..which are Rewards for our Good Calming(Meditation and Mindfulness)
the Creation of the Mushroom is one of Often Fortold Consequences..but it is within its hold that we study the Causuistry of Life!!
These are the Parables of the Famous Thinkers of our Enlightened Century..like Terrence Mckenna..Timothy Leary..and Ram Das.. the Quicker Logic of Neem Karoli Baba..and the Very Creation of the Gold of Sai Baba!
These are the Reliquaries..of the notions of time..in which we plant a seed..and in sudden death do we see it grow..to the gate of time..which is an ever changing plethora..of music and harmony..of the incandescence of nature...and it is to understand this that we may find ourselves programming in this very formal logic..for nature IS Chaos..but it is out thoughts that line up things..in very Formal ways..the order of a System is Always Square..but its our cells that are a very delicate tissue..and in the shape of odd Amoebas..or Branes..in which we can selectively call out for the other..the relation to the knot..or the store..in which life selectively exists..but in forms that are rather Cordial..and the congruent sum of matter..is the technical Splay of the Nature of Madness..which on the mushroom can seem like anything..of the logic of Maths..well a cell is an indivisible structure..that indeed does divide itself into more than what its worth..this is the growth of nature..and the nurture is the subject of our Mothers(and mother Nature aint taking anything back from the Father of Time..or the Gimicks of the Grandfather Clocks..which tick time away..Piece by Piece..and in this do we find Peace!
These are the intertwining Variables of our most rooted Consequence..the Buddha Sits within a Bodhi Tree...or the Banyan of Edison..to the Quick starting Flash of Ford..all things are on the Assembly Line..and the quick begets logic itself for Mercury HAS a Wrath..and i include the word Cure..for a Very Good Reason..it is with this Verily that i tell you the World is Green..and we are Blue..to make the most is to be like Algae or Moss..the considerations of each is a perfect resemblance of the oddities of nature herself..or which from the Natural Disasters that we can overcome the common conditions of our Mother Earth..
And in Styling i say that Mother Earth Does got Style..and its in the Shitpin..of the Very For Lengthliness of the Good Goddess of the Negroid Race..which is the Mother of the Miracle itself!! Bay Front Here we Go!!
Common Nutrients are Eternally Forsworn as goods..like eating sleeping and Fucking..Sex for the nutrients of time..and communication to the exact prose of the Freemason lodge..or the wordy witnesses to the time becoming moral right in front of our eyes..
Which in honest Conclusion is a count of honest 1s and 0s...between me and My..a variation of Binary Code..in which we can select what is on and off..
this in Mature nature is called the machine..and it is in which that we discover ourselves..in and out of Nature!
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Re: Worshipping nature [Re: Deviate]
#21813614 - 06/16/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Deviate said: for years i was doing my spirituality in a totally man made way, neglecting nature. i developed a deep relationship with Spirit this way but felt like something was seriously missing. with the help of the aminita muscaria mushroom, i learned what was missing was love for nature and creation and its sacred rythms (sp) which i was out of tune with.
the downside is i cant stand my life in society anymore. I must find a way to move closer to nature.
“Nature is everything, okay? We don’t like to think that our society is nature, because we created it. But guess what? This is no different than a fuckin’ beehive; it’s just more complicated, cuz people are smarter than bees. Cities are natural, that’s why they’re everywhere….You know what’s not natural? You…in the middle of the mountains…in the middle of the winter.”-Joe Rogan, He's got a point I think, at what point does nature become unnatural.
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Re: Worshipping nature [Re: desant]
#21813658 - 06/16/15 07:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do beehives? Do bird nests? Nature is pretty powerful man, it literally brought us where we are today, it can tear down a city easier then we could ever build one. So why do you doubt that a force (which you claim to worship) is to inept to produce a creature capable of building a city? Look at something as sophisticated as an ape's brain and compare it to any city, ones a masterpeace the other simply isn't. You can worship a more basic branch of nature (flowers,trees) but you can't escape it, Nature owns all of us.
Edited by Gheda Linto (06/16/15 01:49 PM)
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People often talk about nature as if it's outside of ourselves - makes me smile :o) We too are nature! There's an irony, a cosmic joke about how as humans we study 'nature', when in fact we are just as much influenced and part of nature as the ants, or the bees, or the plants ... No matter where or how we live.
Until recently i wondered how some people can live without plants and animals in their homes - i've always had both in abundance. But then it occurred to me whilst talking to one of my plants in the midst of a mushroom trip, that it had never felt the wind, never been warmed by the direct radiance of the sun, never been tickled by the insects and more crucially ... never spread it's pollen despite producing such beautifully attractive, succulent flowers. And i realised that having animals couped up in a house because we like them so much says much more about us than it does about them ...
Nature has so much to teach us but we have to stop trying to control her and realise that we're just as much a part of her as everything else.
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I agree..we as either branes or cells..in a totality of system mechanics..are not just part of nature..but are cocreators within it and with out..and with Nature in Proposition and way..so that definitely the highest atribute of ourselves in a very deifnining way is to be Natural...like having ourselves as an Egg(our Soul)..and then branching out from there in to the universe or in the Garden of Eden..or plainly speaking anywhere on Earth!!
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Bullshit logic. This is the problem with humans. Give them any taste of the divine and they pervert it. They get confused, they get greedy.
I agree there is an amazing and fascinating element to nature. But to worship it is to worship a fucking rock. LITERALLY!
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Is smoking / putting smoke into your body worshipping nature?
That would be destroying nature, careless about ones body
But don't worry, we all get a little careless at times... ;-)
Smoking is just a bad idea for the body, and daily weed can be a bad idea for the mind in many cases (most daily drugs are)
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